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WWII in color: Rare photos from 1942 show Flying Fortress
MailOnLine ^ | 03/19/13 | Snejana Farberov

Posted on 03/19/2013 5:44:56 PM PDT by Doogle

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To: Dysart
No doubt, but the fact is the B17 could fly very well with three or even two engines. There was that much surplus power in those 1200 HP Wright turbocharged engines.
51 posted on 03/19/2013 8:24:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

The B-17 was in fact better armed as was the B-24.

The big advantage the Lancaster had was it’s incredible for the time bomb load. It could carry 22,000 pounds. It also had a much longer range than the B-17.

I will admit that an American aircraft carrying 13 .50 caliber guns was way ahead of 10 .303 machine guns.

I know that Lancasters were still being used only a few years ago, tho not as bombers.


52 posted on 03/19/2013 8:24:10 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Doogle

My God they’re kids. Teenagers and yet they had the guts to fly in those planes. We’ll never agian see the like of such men.


54 posted on 03/19/2013 8:28:21 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: righttackle44
If you know a military unit, bomb group or whatever, it simplifies the search tremendously. Many of them have websites with archival material.
55 posted on 03/19/2013 8:28:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Windflier

Ditto.


56 posted on 03/19/2013 8:29:35 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: yarddog
The Lancaster bomb load was large but consigned to highly inaccurate and ineffective night time carpet bombing. They used primarily incendiary bombs, as opposed to explosives, for a reason.

Let us be honest, the carpet bombing was essentially a terror tactic which failed, not a military strategic offensive as was the American precision daylight attacks against military targets. In fact the Brits opposed the American strategy, and one wonders why, given the results.

57 posted on 03/19/2013 8:36:21 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jmacusa
The average bomber crew member was in his early twenties. As in 21 to 25 on up. Not teenagers but still--what were you doing at 22 years old?
58 posted on 03/19/2013 8:38:18 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jmacusa
Teenagers and yet they had the guts to fly in those planes. We’ll never agian see the like of such men.

I was thinking the same thing...baby faces, all. We'll never see the likes again, indeed :(

Many Thanks Brave Ones.

59 posted on 03/19/2013 8:39:38 PM PDT by Jane Long (Background checks? Dandy idea, Mr. President. Shoulda started with yours. - Sarah Palin)
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To: Doogle; All
If you haven't read, I highly recommend "Freedom's Forge." The story of how we produced our ships and planes to win the war is amazing.


60 posted on 03/19/2013 8:39:45 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Chode

61 posted on 03/19/2013 8:41:56 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: hinckley buzzard

Certainly not what these guys were doing. Of the two men I mentioned know one was 19, the other was 18. The pilot was 21. Trust me, a great many of men fighting every where in WW2 were teenagers. A lot of them lied about their age so they could enlist.


62 posted on 03/19/2013 8:43:24 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kBP2BRd9-I


63 posted on 03/19/2013 8:49:16 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 45semi

That plane is a B26 Marauder, my dad flew in one.


64 posted on 03/19/2013 9:06:26 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Doogle

Bump for a great post.


65 posted on 03/19/2013 9:06:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Go ahead and violate the laws of nature. But nature and nature's God will have the last word.)
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To: Doogle

I don’t buy it. I’ve seen enough from WW2 and the world was CLEARLY black and white. I’m not fooled by this.


66 posted on 03/19/2013 9:13:08 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Not teenagers but still--what were you doing at 22 years old?

At 22, I was stationed in Frankfurt, Germany.

I'm certainly not in the same class as these heroes-- I just thought it was ironic. :)

67 posted on 03/19/2013 9:16:50 PM PDT by Egon (Apparently, Jimmy Carter DOES need a third term.)
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To: jmacusa

My dad was a B-17 pilot during WWII, stationed in England also, he would tell us some wild stories..... We lost him 1/8/2013
Miss him....


68 posted on 03/19/2013 9:46:50 PM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (When all the working class leave California what will be left?)
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To: Die_Hard Conservative Lady

God bless him. My thanks to him for my freedom.


69 posted on 03/19/2013 9:59:25 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

As far as ‘’carpet bombing’’ or ‘’area bombing’’ as the RAF called it being a failed terror tactic, keep in mind it was the Luftwaffe that first engaged in it. Warsaw, Rotterdam and Coventry to name a few. To the average Briton it didn’t matter much at all if ‘’Jerri’’ and his wife and kids and what any other German was getting theirs so long as, as the Brits put it ‘’We’re giving it to them back!’’.


70 posted on 03/19/2013 10:09:57 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa; All

Other beautiful planes:

B-25 Mitchell
A-12/SR-71 “Blackbird” (brilliant engineering)
XB-70 “Valkyrie” (incredible engineering for a plane now 50 years old)
B-52 (amazing that some of these planes were built before their pilot’s fathers were born)

Honorable mention: The Avro “Lancaster” (ugly as sin, but the only plane able to carry the “Tallboy” and “Grand Slam” bombs, which dramatically shortened the war in Europe)


71 posted on 03/19/2013 10:10:04 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: bt_dooftlook
I've often compared how it was that the generation of Americans flying the ‘’heavies’ as the four engine planes were called, gave the bombers names that I think reflected the some what still new and brash nation we were. ‘’Flying Fortress’’, ‘’Liberator’’ the B-26 Martin ‘’Marauder’’ while the Brits who typically named their bombers after the designers who conceived them. Very nice, upscale , genteel sounding names like ‘’The Handley Paige’’, the “Wellington’’, the “Bristol Blenheim’’ names that said , "I say old boy, I'm coming 'round tonight to bomb you, say 8ish. Do be home, there's a good chap''.
72 posted on 03/19/2013 10:23:57 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Doogle

Awesome stuff. My Dad left HS after turning 17, rode the bus to Butte Montana, then the train to San Diego to become a United States Marine, and eventually drive an amphib vehicle at Okinawa.

He lasted 45 days, before getting wounded severely enough to return to Honolulu to recover. He was ready to go back into combat service but the nukes saved him from that.

Mustered out still before his 20th birthday. But at his brother’s urging, later joined the Army reserves.

Along came Korea and worry of being called up, but wasn’t. My dad got out, but his brother served 27 years in the Army, retiring as a Lt. Col. - about as far as he could go without a 4 year degree. (Mormon guy, too - refuting what is sometimes falsely stated here).

My uncle did two or three tours in Vietnam, starting in the 1950s, again in 1960s.

Those palnes are beautiful. Most Brits know that we helped save them. I know they also did remarkable flying and strategy, tactics, technology and deceptions, to survive German attacks.

I shed no tears for German civilians killed. War is war. There is no excuse for our troops to lose life and limb, to spare civilians in muslim lands now, either.


73 posted on 03/19/2013 10:25:27 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Egon
At 22, I was stationed in Frankfurt, Germany. I'm certainly not in the same class as these heroes-- I just thought it was ironic. :)

Ironic when your dad fought Germans, is wearing a German parachute and listening to a German Jump Master yelling at you to hook up and prepare to jump out of a Luftwaffe plane.

74 posted on 03/19/2013 10:39:00 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasn’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: ASOC

“Am I the only one that sees the humor of the photo holding a Rolliflex - made in Germany - “

I noticed...oh for the days of the twin lens reflex...I remember when I wanted one...a Roliflex...

...but when I finally got a good camera, it was an AE-1...and I still have it and still use it...have taken thousands of pics with it...many places around the world...


75 posted on 03/19/2013 11:09:36 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Dysart
...the B-17 “Liberty Belle” in Addison, Tx

Do you know if the Liberty Belle is based in Addison? If she is, I'll have to get over there and give her a visit. Thanks.

76 posted on 03/19/2013 11:10:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: real saxophonist

I know what u mean

A jewish buddy of mine lost nearly all his family older than him and his sister in the camps

Yet he always drives German

And wears a Lange and Sohne watch....

His wife bitches at him over it...


77 posted on 03/19/2013 11:18:59 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: crusadersoldier
Agree ... that and the F4U Corsair

Nice fighter, but the best of war bird porn has to include the P-51!


78 posted on 03/19/2013 11:20:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I see those, and I immediate start singing, "We are poor little lambs who have lost our way....baa baa baa."

79 posted on 03/19/2013 11:25:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jmacusa
I my opinion the B-17 was the coolest, most beautiful looking plane ever built. It represents righteous American might, "winged victory" if you will.

Without a doubt, my friend. Well stated.



80 posted on 03/19/2013 11:31:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Humble thanks. And thanks to the men who flew them and won us our freedom.


81 posted on 03/19/2013 11:54:46 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: bt_dooftlook
Other beautiful planes: B-52...

Oh man, there's just something about the drooping stance of that beast that speaks to me. Next to the iconic B-17, it's one of my favorite war birds.


82 posted on 03/19/2013 11:55:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ansel12
Ironic when your dad fought Germans, is wearing a German parachute and listening to a German Jump Master yelling at you to hook up and prepare to jump out of a Luftwaffe plane.

Hah! That's definitely got me beat!

83 posted on 03/20/2013 4:41:39 AM PDT by Egon (Apparently, Jimmy Carter DOES need a third term.)
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To: 45semi

Gotta love that ‘nose art!’ Yeah they were not PC back then, now you probably would get a court martial for being insensitive towards females.


84 posted on 03/20/2013 5:28:32 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: Windflier
Any discussion of warbird plane porn isn't complete without the F4U.

Or the P-38:


85 posted on 03/20/2013 5:47:24 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Windflier
Do you know if the Liberty Belle is based in Addison? If she is, I'll have to get over there and give her a visit.

She caught fire in flight in Il 2011 but landed safely. I don't that she was based anywhere once she was restored; I think she was on a perpetual tour.

86 posted on 03/20/2013 6:10:14 AM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Or the P-38

Definitely one of the top ten pin ups.

87 posted on 03/20/2013 11:15:06 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Dysart
She caught fire in flight in 2011

Yeah, I saw that posted further down in the thread. What a tragic loss.

88 posted on 03/20/2013 11:18:21 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I still use my Mamiya twin lens reflex. Film processing is problematic.

I learned on a Yashica D TLR camera. Very high quality, both of them.


89 posted on 03/20/2013 11:22:39 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Dysart

Another kinda neat site to check out is:
http://www.thirdreichruins.com/ lot of before and after pics


90 posted on 03/20/2013 11:24:33 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: real saxophonist

Ya. My dad spent the entire war in the PTO, but wouldn’t buy VW. Or as he puts it any ‘Damn Jap car”

Funny how having someone trying to kill you for 4 years can color your outlook...

He’ll get over it.


91 posted on 03/20/2013 11:26:26 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: tanknetter; Dysart

Liberty Bell survived the forced landing with little damage, but the fire crew were afraid their truck would get stuck in the wet field, and after they heard all the passengers had gotten out, they decided not to risk getting their truck stuck and just let her burn.


92 posted on 03/20/2013 11:36:03 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

P-38 .....my father’s plane. So proud.


93 posted on 03/20/2013 11:44:58 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: yarddog

You’re probably thinking of the Avro Shackleton, which isn’t a Lancaster but rather a third or fourth generation evolution of the Lancaster, powered by Griffon engines.

They were mainly ASW/Patrol aircraft, until the Nimrod came into service. Some were used as AEW platforms into the late 1980s or early 90s, their retirement postponed by the delays and cancellation of the Nimrod AEW. They were replaced by the RAF version of the E-3 Sentry.


94 posted on 03/20/2013 11:56:01 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: dfwgator

Along with flashbacks of trapping shots aboard angled deck supercarriers loaded with F-4 Phantoms and A-6 Intruders.

Plus WW2 nurses wearing tailored form fitting uniforms and Farrah Fawcett style feathered hairdos.

BOY-ING-TON!!!!!


95 posted on 03/20/2013 12:01:08 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Now that you mention it, I should have remembered that it was a much newer plane with Lancaster heritage.


96 posted on 03/20/2013 12:04:46 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Egon

This is less colorful but it meant something to me.

My dad was in the Navy, (the German fighting part was in the Normandy invasion) and he spent most of the war fighting the Japanese from a well known light cruiser that earned combat fame, during the 1990s I got to tour a Japanese destroyer in San Diego, it also gave me that strange feeling.


97 posted on 03/20/2013 12:42:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (" I would not be in the United States Senate if it wasn’t for Sarah Palin " Cruz said.)
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To: Windflier
The B-17 was quite elegant, for a bomber.

The most beautiful airplane of all time, for my money though, was this:


98 posted on 03/20/2013 12:59:46 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: andy58-in-nh
The most beautiful airplane of all time, for my money though, was...

The British Spitfire.

Hard to argue with that pick, but of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

When it comes to admiring these legendary war birds, it's hard for me to do more than choose a top ten in no particular order. Like a doting mother, I can't seem to choose one over another :-)

99 posted on 03/20/2013 1:56:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Doogle
damn... i had to look twice to see them
100 posted on 03/20/2013 3:30:36 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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