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A fundamental question
djf

Posted on 03/19/2013 10:42:13 PM PDT by djf

Lately, it seems, there has been a bombardment of news items, public service announcements, and general heightened awareness about of all things...

Home fires caused by clothes dryers!!

Now, I wish I were a younger man, and freely admit to being on a downhill slide towards my 60's. And I don't recall in the 60's,70's, or any previous decade where clothes dryers struck fear and apprehension and general disquiet in the community.

I'm actually running my dryer now and that's what made me wonder about this.

Are dryers more poorly made now? Are they sloppily installed? I mean, as far as tech goes, dryers aren't very far up the list...

OR!

Are there more people who are just brain dead? People who can't take care of things or have to short of an attention span to be able to deal with the complexities of running a clothes dryer? You know, the Twitter types.

Just thought I'd run this by FReepers for their consideration and reflection, we have just about the biggest brain trust on Earth here!

BTW, if the answer is the second choice, how can we expect those folks to understand laws and rights and the Constitution?

If so, we might be doomed!


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1 posted on 03/19/2013 10:42:13 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf

I wonder how many have never removed the lint from the lint trap?


2 posted on 03/19/2013 10:49:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: djf

Made in China.


3 posted on 03/19/2013 10:53:55 PM PDT by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: djf

It’s no joke. And the problem isn’t poor quality of dryers. It’s the lint build up. You’ve got to keep the thing clean of lint. And cleaning out the dryer’s filter is not enough; the lint builds up also in the hose that leads to your exhaust port. You can buy a special vacuum cleaner attachment for this purpose and do it yourself, or just have a duct-cleaning company do it for you every year or so.


4 posted on 03/19/2013 10:54:57 PM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: djf

One of the funniest media memes I have heard repeatedly in recent days is “a .22 Ca ASSAULT rifle”

What is next? “.177 ASSAULT BB guns”?


5 posted on 03/19/2013 10:58:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dfwgator

That’s just common sense. I suppose I could have phrased my question in a hundred other ways... but basically, always having to do with general comprehension and common sense!


6 posted on 03/19/2013 10:59:31 PM PDT by djf (I don't want to be safe. I want to be FREE!)
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To: djf

Common Sense isn’t so common anymore.


7 posted on 03/19/2013 10:59:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

8 posted on 03/19/2013 11:02:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kevao

But all these machines we built to make our life easier... did they make our life TOO easy? Did they put us to sleep?

Are we on the border of being totally helpless?

Starting to sound like a Kurt Vonnegut novel!


9 posted on 03/19/2013 11:02:31 PM PDT by djf (I don't want to be safe. I want to be FREE!)
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To: djf
But all these machines we built to make our life easier... did they make our life TOO easy?

You can always do your laundry by hand, if an easy life makes you uneasy :)

10 posted on 03/19/2013 11:20:47 PM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: dfwgator

THIS.

Thank you for immediately posting it.


11 posted on 03/19/2013 11:21:17 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: djf

Have you know anybody who ran her car for 20,000+ miles without checking the oil? I have.

Have you know anybody who turned on her calculator to add up the columns in an Excel spreadsheet? I have.

I used to work with these people and am now glad I have a home office, but I still run into Obama voters and clerks who can’t make change to save their lives.


12 posted on 03/19/2013 11:26:21 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User

I have also known people who evidently couldn’t strike the “n” in known.


13 posted on 03/19/2013 11:27:57 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User
Have you know anybody who turned on her calculator to add up the columns in an Excel spreadsheet?

LOL. For real?

14 posted on 03/19/2013 11:31:55 PM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: djf
It's time to ask how you *feel* the TP should unroll? Should here be legislation?


15 posted on 03/19/2013 11:33:48 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: djf

I’ve seen labels on dryers warning people not to use them to dry gasoline-soaked clothing. If they need to warn about it...


16 posted on 03/19/2013 11:33:57 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: kevao; DeFault User

Reminds me of the old joke:

Q. How can you tell if a blonde was using your computer?
A. Liquid Paper on the screen.


17 posted on 03/19/2013 11:35:40 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: dfwgator
“Common Sense isn’t so common anymore.”

It's so rare it should be considered a super power. (Stolen from my teenage daughter).

With regard to the dryers - I think mine was on a list of brands that Lowes Hardware Store had problems installing properly and had lint buildups and would catch fire. (A kinked hose or something). Mine seems to be fine, but I have been meaning to look into it more.

I do only run the dryer now during the day when I'm around. I figure then at least I might have a chance to hear the smoke alarm on the ceiling 2-feet above the drier and unplug it and hit it with an extinguisher. Or die drying - I mean trying.

18 posted on 03/19/2013 11:36:51 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: djf

ok. my two cents:

roughly 1850 to 1950 was the great age of American/European (born of Judeo/Christian civilization) invention. things like dryers were labor saving miracles for average families. everything you see today was invented in some form before 1950. that includes the computer and everything associated with it. we have just been improving and refining that knowledge and their machines since then. just feeding on it. Most of it was conceived and more importantly built (realized practically) by the western man before 1950.

Since then the leftist, statists have consumated a coordinated attack on male centered knowledge (i.e., mechanical/reason based knowledge). you see the result of that. A man of my father’s generation would be able to fix a dryer or any home appliance given the parts or even by substituting for the parts.

the male centered, mostly self taught, skills of my father (building, mechanical, electrical, rifle skills, auto repair, etc.) were denigrated by the left, put down. now you have to magically licensed and certified by the state, or some special school to do basic repair work. the left realized they had the break the American “cando” spirit. the belief that the individual is soverign. this led me to devalue my dad’s great abilities and common wisdom, and pursue statist values. i have rued my teenage rebellion ever since them but have gradually recovered much mechanical skill, a lot based on lessons taught by my dad that i had thought forgotten. for example, i have repaired our washer, and did have enough common sense to realize that a slight burning smell in our dryer was prelude to a lint fire.

this is also why the statists publicize, poll and survey all of this crap. it is again to break your individual spirit. to convince you of your own powerlessness as a free man or woman. this is why i’m often completely flumoxed at the publication of statist polls and surveys here on this site. it’s all leftist propaganda to some degree and should be shunned.


19 posted on 03/19/2013 11:40:29 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Squawk 8888

Good one.

Here’s a true story. I once had a young woman working for me. One day she was helping me put fresh batteries into some interpretation equipment. She asked, How do these things work? I said, These little units are the receivers, and this unit here is the transmitter. The interpreter speaks into the microphone, the transmitter sends the signal to the receivers, and the people hear what he’s saying though the earpiece. Just like a radio.

She then said, So the interpreter speaks into the microphone and the transmitter converts what he says into another language?

OMG, I guess she watched too much Star Trek or something.


20 posted on 03/19/2013 11:48:56 PM PDT by kevao (.)
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To: kevao

I believe it- we’re in an era where people cannot distinguish technology from magic. I once participated in a focus group on energy policy and one of the people insisted that electricity should be free because it costs nothing to produce.


21 posted on 03/19/2013 11:51:50 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: djf
Are dryers more poorly made now?

I wouldn't know. My wife and I have used the same dryer for our family of six for over fifteen years now. It was used when we got it. Runs fine.

22 posted on 03/20/2013 12:22:15 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: kevao
You can always do your laundry by hand, if an easy life makes you uneasy :)

Some of us are old enough to remember when almost no one had a clothes dryer in their house. If I had a dollar for every basket of clothes I hung on the line as a kid....

23 posted on 03/20/2013 12:24:49 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Squawk 8888
people insisted that electricity should be free because it costs nothing to produce.

Course it is, else how will I make my Prius go?

24 posted on 03/20/2013 12:33:22 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: Windflier; dadfly

I kept repairing our old top loader washing machine for years when various things would go bad (thermostat, some relay switch, a gear a few times). The internet is wonderful - especially the following site:

http://applianceguru.com/

The last time it went down it was the motor. And my wife figured instead of me fixing it for $200 she wanted a front-end loader. After two-years of the fancy one, she wished we had held onto our 21 year-old one.

In another 2-4 years when the new one breaks and is probably too complicated for me to fix - I’ll wish we had the old one too!


25 posted on 03/20/2013 12:45:05 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Windflier

There’s nothing like the smell of clothes that have been line-dried in the sunshine.


26 posted on 03/20/2013 1:01:58 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: djf
As an old "graybeard" who has spent a goodly number of years as a volunteer firefighter, I can tell you that dryers can and do catch on fire. I have seen a small but steady number of dryer caused fires over the years. This can happen when the dryer is being used, or when it is turned off.

As some here have already pointed out, most fires that start when the dryer is being used are due to lint build up. How do you avoid that? Well, first never use those stretchy, plastic-and-coiled wire vent hoses. They invite lint build up and are hard to clean out. Always use metal vent ducts. Keep the run as short and straight as possible. Use 45 degree bends instead of 90s wherever possible. And clean them out occasionally. Once a year is more than enough for me, but I live alone and don't do an enormous amount of laundry. And if your clothes seem to take an awfully long time to completely dry, that is a sign that something is wrong, and a partially clogged vent can cause that by reducing airflow.

So how can a dryer catch fire when it isn't running? The heating coil operates on 230 volts AC which is achieved by connecting it across two 115 volt sources that are 180 degrees out of phase. When one leg is 115 volts positive, the other is 115 volts negative. The voltage across the heating coil is the algebraic sum of the voltages on the two legs. The control circuits, motor, and blower use 115 volts to ground. Only one leg of the heating circuit is broken when the dryer turns off. If the heating coil breaks it may contact ground, you will then have 115 volts going through it. If there is no airflow over the heating coil, it may overheat and set the clothes on fire.

If you want to prevent this, you could install a shutoff switch above the dryer. A subpanel box with space for a set of paired breakers would work fine. Of course, you still have to remember to turn it off after running the dryer. Maybe you could find a unit with some kind of timer.

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As we say in the biz, if you really don't want something to burn, sprinkle it.

27 posted on 03/20/2013 1:02:41 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: thecodont
There’s nothing like the smell of clothes that have been line-dried in the sunshine.

You just made me recall that smell! I agree. I can even recall the smell of my mom ironing shirts and dresses after they came off the line.

Kids these days don't know the pleasure of wearing freshly washed and ironed dress clothes with spit shined dress shoes. Made you feel special for a while - then it was time to change into play clothes and hit the street :-)

28 posted on 03/20/2013 1:09:34 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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I’m not sure how common dryers were in the 60s. (We were still using a clothesline- which I miss, btw, until about 1968 or 69). But as the wife of an insurance adjuster *and* the daughter of someone who had a dryer fire, there are 2 things that everyone should ALWAYS do:
Clean the lint filter before every load. NEVER leave your dryer going when no one is home. (We don’t even use it when we’re going to be asleep)

When I first married, DH had a claim in a very upscale neighborhood off of IH10.
I want to say the man of the house was a sheriff or some official- in other words, no dummy. They left for work with their dryer going & it burned their home literally to the ground. Their little dog died in the fire.

My mom was meticulous about the lint filter, but somehow, a washcloth got lodged in the filter or some kind of vent through the dryer tub & caught fire. If she hadn’t been there, it could have destroyed her apartment & the other 3 in her building because it was at the back of a large property. Again, pets would have been lost. I’ll never forget the fireman holding that half burned washcloth.

PS You can buy dryer cleaning kits at Home Depot or Lowes. They work great & they’re cheap. One of the brushes is for cleaning the tube that goes from the outlet to the roof (or outside).


29 posted on 03/20/2013 1:10:33 AM PDT by KGeorge
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To: thecodont

And whiter too.


30 posted on 03/20/2013 1:35:15 AM PDT by monocle
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To: DeFault User

My niece checked the oil in her grand am. She saw no oil on the stick, so she added 5 quarts. The engine was sort of hopping until I drained out about 5 quarts. Turns out her oil was clean so she didn’t see the level on the stick.


31 posted on 03/20/2013 1:43:06 AM PDT by mirkwood (project gutenberg)
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To: djf
And I don't recall in the 60's,70's, or any previous decade where clothes dryers struck fear and apprehension and general disquiet in the community.

I don't think you're quite right on this. I was a valunteer fireman in the '60s and early '70s, and the three most common fires were from:

(1) grass fires from burning your waste paper outside on a windy day;
(2) dryer/lint fires from fumes issuing from overheated rubber-based falsie bras; and
(3) smoldering sofa or bed fires from cigarettes, which didn't erupt into flames until halfway through the night.

Of course, battery-driven smoke detectors were not yet invented then ---

32 posted on 03/20/2013 2:15:19 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: Windflier

Yes, it’s true that freshly dried clothes hung on the line are nice. . but, there’s also that winter thing where you put clothes on the line in winter; then when you bring them in they’re frozen stiff as a board and still wet when you hang them all over the house. Sigh.


33 posted on 03/20/2013 2:29:31 AM PDT by Twinkie (Straighten up and fly right!!)
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there’s also that winter thing where you put clothes on the line in winter; then when you bring them in they’re frozen stiff as a board and still wet when you hang them all over the house.

Being a native Californio, I didn't grow up with snow. Never even occurred to me that people would hang clothes out to dry in the frozen winter.

What's the point of hanging them out to 'dry', if they're soaking wet with ice when you bring them in?

34 posted on 03/20/2013 2:33:31 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: kevao
You can buy a special vacuum cleaner attachment for this purpose and do it yourself, or just have a duct-cleaning company do it for you every year or so.

Or, you can take it apart, reach in and clean out the hose. It's not hard.

35 posted on 03/20/2013 3:24:40 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron. No, they are both.)
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To: kevao
Heh, actually, if you wanted to document the flaw in Excel, that was what you had to do...:)

I had to look it up because I couldn't remember..."...members of Microsoft's Excel development team said the flaw occurs during calculations that would ordinarily result in, or be close to, the number 65,535. Instead, Excel produces a result of 100,000..."

36 posted on 03/20/2013 3:50:11 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: monocle
"...And whiter too...."

We can thank liberals for that.

37 posted on 03/20/2013 3:53:31 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: djf

Running clothes washers and dryers used to be “women’s work”. With more men washing, drying and even ironing their own clothes, you’d think these “saving you from yourselves” media reports would be unnecessary but the media DOES want us to believe that they are the go-to people for all the information we need to avoid killing ourselves, however unwittingly...not to mention what brand of yoga pants women should not wear!


38 posted on 03/20/2013 3:54:36 AM PDT by RedBallJet
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To: Windflier
Some of us are old enough to remember when almost no one had a clothes dryer in their house.

We always had several dryers, strung from tree to tree in the backyard.

39 posted on 03/20/2013 7:34:27 AM PDT by kevao (.)
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Houses in the old days were pretty drafty, so the indoor winter humidity was really low. Clothes hung indoors dried pretty fast IIRC.


40 posted on 03/20/2013 7:36:08 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: djf

I believe it has a lot to do with the second, but it also has to do with more government regulation.

Just watch the news head lines and we will know they are going to put more regulations on something, it has happened with every thing from guns to potato chips.

Yes its dumb, but dumb is what it takes to bring this country into government tyranny.


41 posted on 03/20/2013 8:11:03 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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