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Posted on 03/20/2013 10:33:58 PM PDT by flyingx

I visited 2 stores looking for 22LR ammo. None available. Both store reps say government is buying ammo. Is this so? Why? Are manufacturers unable to meet demand? I try to keep informed but I would not think that one cannot purchase a couple of boxes of 22 shells. Appreciate any information.


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1 posted on 03/20/2013 10:33:58 PM PDT by flyingx
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To: flyingx

The gov. is buying it up because they don’t want us to have any more than we already have.


2 posted on 03/20/2013 10:37:42 PM PDT by laplata
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To: laplata

The government is buying it up because they KNOW there is coming a date certain beyond which they will be unable to be resupplied for a few years. Their collapse agenda is working ... they will need lots of bullets to protect the’island fortresses’ of the oligarchs who have arranged the collapse.


3 posted on 03/20/2013 10:41:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: flyingx

Look on-line. There is still .22 LR available, but you must look for it.


4 posted on 03/20/2013 10:41:53 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: laplata

yup they are buying it with ur grandkids’ money so we can’t buy it first.
guns don-t work without ammo.


5 posted on 03/20/2013 10:42:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: flyingx

May be we should start locating this ammo dumps for further use. Thirty Million to one gota like those odds


6 posted on 03/20/2013 10:43:29 PM PDT by WilliamRobert (God Bless Texas)
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To: flyingx

Why are they selling it to the government?


7 posted on 03/20/2013 10:43:53 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Those who say the Constitution is a "Living, Breathing Document" do so because they want to KILL it.)
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To: flyingx

The government is not buying up .22lr and .22 magnum ammo, but the buys they are making require the brass for production which would have been designated for .22 ammo which the manufacturers have stopped using the brass for.


8 posted on 03/20/2013 10:44:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I know that. My grandchildren are 3 years and 7 months. It’s sick.


9 posted on 03/20/2013 10:46:29 PM PDT by laplata
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To: flyingx

It be so.
The Goobermint is overburdening the supply lines.

They could fight Iraq for 20 years at their order rate.
I imagine 22 is in short supply because the other lines are running 24/7 filling goobermint contracts.


10 posted on 03/20/2013 10:48:19 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MHGinTN
The government is not buying up .22lr and .22 magnum ammo, but the buys they are making require the brass for production which would have been designated for .22 ammo which the manufacturers have stopped using the brass for.

I've been wondering about this for a while now. Is this speculation, or have you seen stories about this? I've seen nothing to account for the .22LR shortage except ammo buyers buying it by the pallet load.

But your point about a brass shortage is new to me. Can you cite a source for this?

11 posted on 03/20/2013 10:53:17 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: flyingx

Call Walmart. They get it in from time to time. our closest one will tell us exactly what is coming in when. The only problem is they never know how long it will take for the ammo to get off the truck to their dept. Can take minutes - can take hours.

And you must be there when the ammo hits the shelves. It will be gone in minutes.

I haven’t found .45 ACP anywhere for a long time - found 100 rnds.at Walmart and took it. She said the 550 rnd. boxes of .22LR were coming in at 4pm, but she didn’t have any idea when they’d get from the truck to her dept. She said $20 for the box.


12 posted on 03/20/2013 10:56:24 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: flyingx

http://www.gunbot.net Check every day.


13 posted on 03/20/2013 10:59:18 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: flyingx

For instance, if you click on .22lr and sort the listing by price per round, you’ll see CTD has .22 LR Armscor Solid Point 40 Grain 500 Round Brick Standard Velocity 1135 fps, as of 10 hours ago. Yes, it’s very expensive right now. But check tomorrow morning and the next day, etc. I’ve seen CCI Stingers for $0.14 per round, which, imo, is about the best 22 ammo you can get right now. Still outrageously expensive for .22lr, but that’s the environment we find ourselves in at the moment.


14 posted on 03/20/2013 11:04:58 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Wingy

No, but think about it. A producer like CCI is connected to blazer and various caliber productions. CCI used to be readily available in 22lr and 22 magnum. Now, not a round to be found while the other calibers are being heavily manufactured to fill asap government orders. If CCI had brass a plenty they would be spitting out 22lr and 22 magnum at their usual pace which is about 500,000 to 1 million rounds per day, IIRC.


15 posted on 03/20/2013 11:08:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MasterGunner01
but you must look for it.

Sure there are, care to post some links? There has been no 22LR on the shelves here for weeks, when there was it didn't really get to the shelves as people were lined up to buy it.

223, 30 cal, 30-30, or 30-06 dream on.

Some 223 can be had for #1.00 a pop so load up and go practice a few hundred rounds this weekend, enjoy.

16 posted on 03/21/2013 12:38:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: LibWhacker
This is the tracker I use too. It seems to be the best one around. I used www.ammoseek.com, until I heard of www.gunbot.net, and it does seem to be the best. Although I would like to be able to get a few boxes of ammunition in store somewhere when I don't want to spend enough to justify the shipping charges, but everywhere I check looks the same; bare except for the little ammunition still easy to find.

www.OathKeepers.org

17 posted on 03/21/2013 1:09:58 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG - WWW.CSPOA.ORG)
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To: flyingx

Where have you been living??


18 posted on 03/21/2013 1:51:53 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: Arlis

http://www.luckygunner.com/handgun/45-acp-ammo


19 posted on 03/21/2013 1:59:13 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: mylife; Lurker; MileHi; hiredhand

One thing that has annoyed me is a recent, and my last ever, trip to Gander Mountain. Walked in and saw 22 ammo on the shelf. Asked for 2 boxes and was told by the person behind the counter ..... That they only sold 22 ammo to people who also buy a 22 firearm from them.

Prior to this I had been mailed their sales flyers and was at the door when they opened for said sale. Walked straight to the firearms section to buy a 1600 round pack of CCI 22 ammo. They didn’t have what the sales flyer said they did yet they bait people in with such, then later tell me I have to purchase a 22 firearm before they will sell me ammo they have on the shelf...

Wasn’t like I wanted to buy all the ammo. I asked to buy 2 of the 100 round CCI boxes when they gave me the “must buy a gun” caveat .......

My last trip ever to a gander mountain .

My experience and observation and opinion .....


20 posted on 03/21/2013 2:08:28 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: LibWhacker; flyingx

Here’s a few more:

http://www.ableammo.com/
http://www.thepoliceloophole.com/
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/
http://www.midwayusa.com/
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/
http://www.shopalexanderarms.com/.50_Beowulf-Ammunition.html
http://www.aimsurplus.com/
http://shop.ammocanmagnets.com/50-cal-size-Black-Font_c11.htm
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php
http://www.mytargets.com/
http://www.gunbot.net/
http://www.impactguns.com/nemo-omen-300-win-match-rifle-omen-match.aspx
http://www.kygunco.com/
http://www.luckygunner.com/
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XCanM2A1&name=New+Mil.+Spec.+M2A1+.50cal+Ammo+Cans&groupid=614
http://www.sgammo.com/
http://www.hksspeedloaders.com/Index.html
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/default.asp
http://www.ammoman.com/
http://www.corbon.com/
http://www.federalpremium.com/default.aspx
http://www.natchezss.com/


21 posted on 03/21/2013 2:54:24 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: itsahoot

Post #21.


22 posted on 03/21/2013 2:56:43 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The Most Insidious Power The Corrupt, Criminal Media Has, Is The Power To Ignore The Truth.)
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To: flyingx

.gov might buy certain calibers but they AIN’T buying 22lr.

That stuff is being snapped up by us mere mortals.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 3:03:48 AM PDT by nvscanman
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To: nvscanman

No theyve retooled to make the millions of rounds of 9mm and 40mm the gubmnt is buying.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 3:05:47 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: LibWhacker

A while back I bought a brick every time I passed it by. I’ve got plenty of 22 but could use other calibers.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 3:09:53 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I’ve been wondering about this for a while now. Is this speculation, or have you seen stories about this? I’ve seen nothing to account for the .22LR shortage except ammo buyers buying it by the pallet load.....

Where’d they park it?

This is nothing new. Ammo has been in short supply for some time in ALL CALIBERS and sizes as is reloading components. Next time you’re in a Wally World store check out the sporting goods ammo shelves. EMPTY!!!!!
In the extremely small chance some ammo arrives (albeit in very small amounts) it will be “gone” in a matter of a few minutes.

There have been other articles about Congress doing some questioning as to “WHY” such large orders of .40 S&W cartridges needed for DHS. Good question. WHO justified the need for these millions of rounds that WE, you and I are supposed to pay for? IMO, stop payment for this stuff and the ammo suppliers will restock the shelves for the rest of us. Then again there is the talk of “rebellion” by the people again’st the gubmint who needs them ammo to protect themselves from “We, the People”...............


26 posted on 03/21/2013 3:25:07 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: itsahoot

With ammo as precious as it is today, I doubt if many people are going to be wasting their limited supply at the gun range. Even the cheap Russian stuff is worth its weight in gold.


27 posted on 03/21/2013 3:43:25 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: jespasinthru

I’ve wondered if the public ranges have had largely empty stalls. What ammo is available is very expensive and popular calibers are not available, especially some of the more traditionally less expensive. I only make it to a public range about once, maybe twice a year. Use long arms at a private family property maybe twice a year. I bought most of my stuff from 2007 to 2010 and haven’t used any of my stock because of the outage.


28 posted on 03/21/2013 3:51:37 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Progov

My guess is that its due to multiple reasons. Increased demand for any ammunition means depleted stock and the fact it sells out faster then its being replaced.

I doubt the manuf. maintained a lot of extra capacity since sales were fairly flat. Now people are buying everything on the shelf. Ramping up production takes time and money. Can they justify investing millions for new production capability knowing this is a temporary problem.

Either things will go back to normal and the increased production will lay idle, the govt will ban firearms, or people will eventually max out their personal inventory and stop buying. Its unlikely the current sales will continue long term.

The govt demand is probably also affecting some producers and possibly the supply of brass.


29 posted on 03/21/2013 3:55:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: jespasinthru
"With ammo as precious as it is today, I doubt if many people are going to be wasting their limited supply at the gun range."

If I can't replace it - I can't use it. I'm down to my minimum reserve threshold - no range-time until I get above that.

30 posted on 03/21/2013 3:56:24 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Psalm 73

I’m still going but less, and shooting a lot less. But then I still have ammo I purchased 10 yrs ago. Made a bulk purchase back then, wish I could still get that price.


31 posted on 03/21/2013 3:58:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Arlis

“And you must be there when the ammo hits the shelves. It will be gone in minutes.”

Well, it’s a loosing proposition when the dudes in the receiving docks call their buds and alert them a shipment is about to arrive. Tese guys got a little game scheme going. If you don’t believe me go check out Craiges List. You can buy all the ammo you want there, at much higher prices. Btw, same thing is going on at Cabelas and Bass Pro.

Just a side not to those who are wondering how the government is able to buy up all the ammo it wants; all it has to do is apply a DXRating to the p.o. And their order takes priority over any and all other orders. Just talk to any manufacturer or supplier who deal with DOD contracts....


32 posted on 03/21/2013 4:01:36 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: All

this should be enough incentive for people not to take the availability for granted. For years after the 2008/9 panic, I purchased a case here and a case there while curtailing my trips to the range. Now we have a real panic on our hands and we just have to be patient but whenever I see it, I buy it. People are buying popular calibers of ammo they can’t use just for trade. I’m pretty sure that we will still be able to get imported ammo, it just costs more for now.

Believe me, if there is money in it, someone will start making more and retooling to meet demand, it just won’t be as inexpensive as in the past is all.


33 posted on 03/21/2013 4:02:17 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: snoringbear

Managed to pick up three 20 round boxes of Independence (made in Israel) 5.56 for $11.95 a box at a local store. It was all they had. No .22 but they did have some .22 magnum. I’m seeing .243 and .270 on shelves, but not a speck of 30-06.

9mm or 45acp, forget it.


34 posted on 03/21/2013 4:14:50 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: flyingx

Go black market if nothing else, while Craigslist may prohibit or censor any ammo sales there are other options, in Alaska they have Alaskalist the Craigslist alternative and it WILL allow guns and ammo listings, and believe me there is NO ammo shortage problems in Alaska, the stores may have empty shelves but the underground supply is up and fully operational.

Part of the problem is people are also buying up the .22 just to go out and shoot 1500 rounds or more on the weekend, they should just hang on to it for now, for more important usage, or to barter for higher priorities, because .22lr is indeed quite worth its weight in figurative gold.

I would say there is some Federal involvement by the shifting of ammo calibers but also is 100 million plus people all panic buying at the same time. The factories will catch up in due order, the feds cannot shoot .22LR, not can any of our Armed Forces even if we did have a real out shooting war say with North Korea, which may indeed just happen.


35 posted on 03/21/2013 4:16:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: flyingx

http://www.luckygunner.com/rimfire/22-lr-ammo


36 posted on 03/21/2013 4:27:35 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: snoringbear

No doubt.

However, last week I picked up 250 rounds of 9mm that I haven’t found anywhere for months - at Bass Pro - $15 for a 50 rnd. box.

My son saw them, called me, and I drove 30+ minutes to get there. There were about 40 boxes when he first got there, he held 5 for me. When I got there, the last were taken.

5 box limit. He made a 2nd trip and got 500 rnds. himself.


37 posted on 03/21/2013 4:36:53 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: flyingx

Bump for reference.


38 posted on 03/21/2013 4:44:47 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: ScottinVA; voicereason; itsahoot
You can get .22LR off gunbroker.com for $.08 to $.10 per round if you are patient and search around the auctions. I grabbed another brick, and over paid to what it was just a month or two ago, at $.10 per round (Federal 36gr).

Meijers here has had tons of Remington 30-06, .243 and maybe 30-30 (not to sure on that last one) sitting on the shelf. I picked up 10 boxes of PMC 55gr .223, and the other 10 boxes were gone by the next day ($11 for 20 rounds). The clerk said they did get a couple of bricks of .22LR in but they were gone within hours. You can get .223/5.56 off gunbroker sometimes for $.75-90/round.

39 posted on 03/21/2013 4:56:57 AM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: flyingx
This is probably largely due to guys like me who have thousands of rounds in my basement. In my case, I always grabbed a couple boxes when I dropped in to say hi to my friend who runs a outdoorsman shop. They accumulate!
40 posted on 03/21/2013 5:04:34 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: laplata

That is easily reversed by having Congress designate the ammo “surplus” and putting out for sale at pennies on the dollar.


41 posted on 03/21/2013 5:08:47 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: flyingx

Ammo’s gone through the roof as have magazines (when you can find them). I’m hoping the supply is beginning to catch up since my Mark II mags are finally shipping after a 2 month delay (although I checked Ruger’s site and they’re not currently available - so maybe not).


42 posted on 03/21/2013 5:09:17 AM PDT by mykroar (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice.-Thomas Paine)
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To: flyingx

I have a hunting and a fishing forum in TX and we have our classified sections. What I’ve been seeing is really no shortage of ammo it’s hitting the shelves as fast as it can, but we have a ton of people buying it up and then turning around a resaling it in the classifieds. Our local Walmart gets hit every morning by the same bunch and it will be for sale on facebook trading within hours.


43 posted on 03/21/2013 5:11:04 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: flyingx

There’s still a lot of what I like to call, “Motivated Panic Buying” where most of the outlets that sell ammo/guns have lines of 70..80 people 2 hours before the stores open.[they figured out when the trucks come in]

We have time and quantity limits on most sales but, if you’re persistent most everything can be had.

It’s getting better here in Texas.


44 posted on 03/21/2013 5:13:41 AM PDT by WCH
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To: flyingx

Illinois:

Last week I stopped at Wal-Mart to get an FOID (Firearm Owners IDentification Card) application form. I was told that I had o go online and download the form because the Illinois State Police had informed them they could no longer dispense them in the store. Has anyone else had this same experience?


45 posted on 03/21/2013 5:19:59 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: chainsaw

My god that is truly a police state!


46 posted on 03/21/2013 5:30:49 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: flyingx

ping


47 posted on 03/21/2013 5:41:21 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: flyingx

Yes the government is buying ammo. Are they buying so much that it is affecting the supply for the rest of us? No.

Just look at what you are looking for... When was the last time you heard about the feds buying .22? Yep that’s right. Never! That stuff is like gold. When you can find it a brick of 333 or 550 is going for around $80 except at Walmart they haven’t upped their prices. What is generating this shortage is the millions of of us who are now buying ammo every time we can. The lines at Walmart are crazy. People standing in line in the morning for a couple of hours waiting for ammo to be put out...

It’s all of us snapping up everything we can get our hands on.


48 posted on 03/21/2013 5:46:38 AM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: flyingx

Found some last week in a small gun shop in Maricopa, AZ - Winchester Wildcats, 50 round box for $10.00, limit two boxes per customer. They said that the 5,000 round they got in the day before was the first they had received in 3 months and was 1/4th what they had ordered in December.

On a happier note, I found 60 rounds of .223 at Walmart for $24.09 and I now know the trucks here come in on Tuesday and Thursday. No ammo Tuesday but tonight, maybe we get lucky again. Things do seem to be loosening up a little.


49 posted on 03/21/2013 5:51:12 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: laplata

The gov is not buying .22 ammunition, they are buying heavier calibre ammo. That is a completely different, and more frightening problem. This is just hoarding. .22 is now available at my gun store, 1500 rounds for $90. DOUBLE what it was a year ago. At those prices, and they are selling it, the manufacturers will keep the .22 coming, people will back off in the hoarding and the price will come down. But it is unconstitutional for the government to buy up ammunition which affects the right to bear arms...Mark Levin explains this fully.


50 posted on 03/21/2013 5:53:10 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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