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Vanity: Has Isaiah 17 Been Fulfilled? (Prophecy/Syria)

Posted on 03/25/2013 9:18:58 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55

With all that's going on in Syria I thought I would ask the question..

How many of you out there believe Isaiah 17 has already been fulfilled and how many of you believe it is ABOUT to be fulfilled? Why or Why not?

Count me in the camp that says it's about to happen.

Once Al-Queda takes over Syria, they and other nations, now being led by Al-Queda thanks to Obama.. will attempt to invade Israel.


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1 posted on 03/25/2013 9:18:58 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Ping!!


2 posted on 03/25/2013 9:19:38 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

I thought this would be especially timely in light of what may or may not have happened in Syria over the weekend.

If Assad was shot.. that is HUGE.


3 posted on 03/25/2013 9:20:19 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Is Damascus an uninhabited heap of rubble? No? Then there’s your answer.


4 posted on 03/25/2013 9:21:41 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

It may be about to be though....


5 posted on 03/25/2013 9:22:27 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: RegulatorCountry

I had a friend argue with me and say this prophecy was fulfilled in Isaiah 37. But I just don’t see it..


6 posted on 03/25/2013 9:23:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Looks like the seed of Abraham is spreading to another nation, whoever wrote that.


7 posted on 03/25/2013 9:24:04 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Damascus is still a city. Assad may or may not have been shot (I have heard both ways).

I’d say not yet.


8 posted on 03/25/2013 9:24:06 AM PDT by null and void (If the government is so worried about civil disturbance, why are they working so hard to disturb us?)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I think Revelation is unfolding before our very eyes. How lucky are we to have been born during this time period? As a Christian, Its supposed to be a blessing but why do I feel like Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane before His crucifixion? (not that I could possibly know what that felt like but I am referring to the dread he probably had)


9 posted on 03/25/2013 9:25:08 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

This site claims that the Iraq invasion was spelled out in Isaiah as well..

http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1920.cfm


10 posted on 03/25/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

bump!


11 posted on 03/25/2013 9:27:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: jsanders2001

I agree it’s amazing to think we were born during this time period.

We as Christians may not be here much longer.


12 posted on 03/25/2013 9:28:20 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ex-snook

What does that mean?


13 posted on 03/25/2013 9:29:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: jsanders2001

And it’s not just the Middle East to keep an eye on. It’s the entire world.

This kinda stuff below gives me chills.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/baby-shot-in-stroller-georgia-woman-says-shes-certain-suspect-shot-her-baby


14 posted on 03/25/2013 9:29:39 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
Damascus is still a city, and it is has been a very long time since it has been a kingdom.

One might argue with equal justice that Isaiah 17 had been fulfilled in 636, when the Muslims conquered Damascus from the Byzantine emperor.

Or in 750, when the Abbasids reconquered it from the Rashids.

Or in 878 when the Sultan conquered it from the Abbasids.

I could go on, but the city has been sieged, conquered and reconquered a dozen times or more since the time of Isaiah.

I don't see how Sunnis seizing the city from the Alawites is any more of a fulfillment than these many previous incidents.

15 posted on 03/25/2013 9:29:52 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Plus.. the city being seized.. is a lot different than it being “in ruin”


16 posted on 03/25/2013 9:32:36 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; Wuli

I agree. I just see Al-Queda as forming a coalition against Israel.


17 posted on 03/25/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; ASA Vet; livius

ping!


18 posted on 03/25/2013 9:46:16 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Why would you think this would be the fulfillment as opposed to any other time Damascus has been invaded?

Just because it’S during your lifetime?


19 posted on 03/25/2013 9:51:20 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Because the Bible doesn’t really say “invasion” .. it says Damascus will “lie in ruin”

Which to me.. means nuclear bomb.


20 posted on 03/25/2013 9:54:58 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: jsanders2001
My family wonders why I've lost my fire for life. I can't explain it to them because even though they were raised christian that did not make them students of the bible. That comes from our hearts and few people I know actually practice it but it's the only way to keep world events and human behaviour in their proper context. Since the re-election of Obama and the election of people like senator Warren I truly knew the US of A was finally over because getting it back would take 100 years that we don't have. As a businessman,christian father & grandfather I'm watching the disintegration of the moral fabric of our country. I wake up every morning feeling a "Spirit of Dread" washing over the world and worse so our country. I'm not worried about myself or wife but our children and grandchildren who are so overexposed to sex, death and pure evil coming from every direction. They don't and most don't take the time and effort to filter it out of their lives. It's the "new normal". Not to me.
21 posted on 03/25/2013 10:08:30 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: liberty or death

Don’t worry about anything. God is in complete control. Just sit back and watch........


22 posted on 03/25/2013 10:16:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Do you think the prophecy has been fulfilled?


23 posted on 03/25/2013 10:19:00 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

If Damascus, and Syria as a whole, are utterly destroyed, as Berlin and Dresden were in the bombing raids of WWII, then i would say that this prophecy would be fulfilled. However, it is entirely possible, since i am not a student of ancient Mid-East history, that this prophecy has already been fulfilled. I am not sure.


24 posted on 03/25/2013 10:19:10 AM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum 2016)
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To: FutureRocketMan

The bible also appears to make references to chemical weapons...


25 posted on 03/25/2013 10:22:16 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Red Badger

Indeed.


26 posted on 03/25/2013 10:26:45 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: liberty or death

Bttt


27 posted on 03/25/2013 10:32:21 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: RegulatorCountry
Is Damascus an uninhabited heap of rubble? No? Then there’s your answer.

Exactly.

What a stupid question posed by the headline.

It is like those yahoos who say that they Tribulation is "already half over."

Uhhhhhhhhhhh................no.

28 posted on 03/25/2013 10:52:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

I’m just saying there are those out there that believe the prophecy already happened.

I myself do not believe it has already happened as like you said.. it’s not a heap of rubble yet. YET.

But one person I know believes this prophecy was fulfilled in Isaiah 37. Just posing the question to get people’s thoughts.


29 posted on 03/25/2013 11:03:19 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Not quite yet. When Damascus is completely unlivable and is a heap of rubble.........


30 posted on 03/25/2013 11:04:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Exactly. And what could make it “unlivable”

I’d say a nuclear bomb.


31 posted on 03/25/2013 11:05:17 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Makes more sense that Isaiah 17 refers to the takeover of Syria and Israel by Tiglath-pileser and Shalmaneser. 2 Kings 15:29 and 2 Kings 17:6.

The northern kingdom inhabitants were gathered like corn and removed to Assyria and parts unknown. Is 17:5.

See Barnes’ commentary, e.g.,:
http://barnes.biblecommenter.com/isaiah/17.htm


32 posted on 03/25/2013 11:06:45 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: mbarker12474

Interesting!


33 posted on 03/25/2013 11:07:17 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
Which to me.. means nuclear bomb.

Probably, but in this day and age, contagion is nearly just as likely.

34 posted on 03/25/2013 11:07:54 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
For those that haven't momerized the Bible"
  1. The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
  2. The cities of Aroer [are] forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make [them] afraid.
  3. The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts.
  4. And in that day it shall come to pass, [that] the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.
  5. And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim.
  6. Yet gleaning grapes shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two [or] three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four [or] five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the LORD God of Israel.
  7. At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
  8. And he shall not look to the altars, the work of his hands, neither shall respect [that] which his fingers have made, either the groves, or the images.
  9. In that day shall his strong cities be as a forsaken bough, and an uppermost branch, which they left because of the children of Israel: and there shall be desolation.
  10. Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips:
  11. In the day shalt thou make thy plant to grow, and in the morning shalt thou make thy seed to flourish: [but] the harvest [shall be] a heap in the day of grief and of desperate sorrow.
  12. Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
  13. The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but [God] shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
  14. And behold at eveningtide trouble; [and] before the morning he [is] not. This [is] the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.

35 posted on 03/25/2013 11:09:20 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Exactly. And what could make it “unlivable”.....Sharia Law................


36 posted on 03/25/2013 11:12:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: ConservativeMan55

The prophecy is less about Damascus and more about the wayward northern Kingdom, who allied itself with Damascus and dropped its reliance on God.

Note that Ephraim = Israel = the northern kingdom.

See also Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown:
http://jfb.biblecommenter.com/isaiah/17.htm


37 posted on 03/25/2013 11:18:01 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Let’s get this fixed right now-HUGH!


38 posted on 03/25/2013 2:29:20 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

LOL! Series and HUGH!


39 posted on 03/25/2013 2:32:25 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: liberty or death

I am thankful I am here to see it (not happy about it) and, hopefully, make a difference!! I am thankful to be here to be ready and help.


40 posted on 03/25/2013 2:33:12 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

No nuke has hit Detroit, and it looks like rubble. No nuke is needed to make this seem true. It can occur simply by neglect.


41 posted on 03/25/2013 2:35:35 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

This is a pretty good point!!


42 posted on 03/25/2013 2:37:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; Red Badger
And what could make it “unlivable”

Earthquakes in Syria

43 posted on 03/25/2013 3:12:53 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

Definitely!!!!

That’s something else to keep in mind.

But to me.. something about the word “unlivable” screams Nuclear Bombs.

Why? Because even after earthquakes in, for instance, Haiti, people were still living there.

An earlier reference to Detroit being rubble. But people are still living there.

But.. either chemical or nuclear weapons could make Syria unlivable.. meaning people could not live there.


44 posted on 03/25/2013 3:30:54 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55; Jack Hydrazine

Ping!


45 posted on 03/26/2013 11:19:01 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

that is true. I am not denying the possibility that biblical prophecy (specifically that of Isaiah) can be fulfilled through the Syrian civil war.


46 posted on 03/26/2013 12:19:36 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum 2016)
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To: FutureRocketMan

So where do you think we are.. time wise?


47 posted on 03/26/2013 12:23:17 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

not particularly sure in regards to Isaiah prophecy, but i know that we are getting very close to the fulfillment of Ezekiel 39 (war of Gog and Magog) and we are certainly nearing the beginning of the tribulation.


48 posted on 03/26/2013 1:56:32 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum 2016)
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To: liberty or death

as a young adult, i share your sadness. It is truly disgraceful to see how the youth (and sadly even myself, to a lesser extent) have been corrupted by this culture. I will pray and i will fight. I refuse to let my country go without a fight.


49 posted on 03/26/2013 1:59:16 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum 2016)
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To: FutureRocketMan

Bump!


50 posted on 03/26/2013 2:02:45 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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