Posted on 03/25/2013 5:13:32 PM PDT by Morgana
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Anyone who does not know Terri Schiavo's whole story needs to read this. And anyone who may have missed part of it, or forgotten. In her honor and memory, please read it. Shame on every "official" who COULD have done something and did not! Shame on them all!
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There was once a Terri Schiavo Ping list who has it?
Evil or Diet Evil is still evil. Don’t complain that someone who’s not willing to compromise on principles & basic morality cost us the election. Quite the contrary.
BykrBayb - do you know who has the Terri Schiavo ping list?
To even ask that question, means you have not understood at all what my point was. I said not one freakin’ thing about “execution”. I can imagine no greater torture any person can possibly endure that to live completely cut off from the world in that way, it would be like just having your brain kept alive in a jar, unable to interact with ANYTHING. True, she had no living will, so the people around her had no way to know her wishes. I cannot say for absolute certain that she truly wanted to continue living, but you absolutely for more certain cannot guarantee that she wasn’t silently screaming in her head every day for years for her family to just do the compassionate thing and let her go. Because of this incident, my living will is absolutely, abundantly clear, what I want to happen if I get into a similar situation where I no longer even have the power to express my wishes to anybody.
Apparently you read nothing about her when the whole thing was happening.
To kill someone is either execution, when state ordered, or murder, when performed by a private party.
So I could have used hte word murder as both execution and murder are applicable in her case.
You want to starve and dehydrate to death? Your choice.
It was not hers.
what on earth makes you so certain that the governor of a stste has the power to interfere in a medical decision made by the husband of a woman that he was responsible for??
her family couldn't stop it, the medical profession wouldn't stop it, as I recall Washington couldn't stop it, what was the governor to do???
Patriots evidently still have problems with the Terria Shiavo case, probably for the same reason that they had problems with why the 5th Amendment didn’t apply in the Kelo v. New London land grab case imo. In both cases, patriots failed to understand that justices ultimately yielded to laws that Constitution-ignorant state citizens didn’t like because of general ignorance of 10th Amendment protected state powers, not that activist justices usually respect such powers.
More specifically, patriots got upset when justices sided with the City of New London, Connecticut because they didn’t understand that the 5th Amendment’s limit on Congress’s power that “the government” can only buy private land for public use does not apply to the states.
Likewise, and with all due respect to the family, friends and supporters of Terrii Schiavo, patriots got upset when the Supreme Court wouldn’t intervene in her case because they evidently didn’t understand that, since the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate life issues not expressly protected by the Constitution, the 10th Amendment was made to clarify that the Constitution’s silence about things like euthanasia, marriage and abortion, etc., means that they are automatically unique state power issues.
Again, lawmakers in both Florida and Connecticut made 10A-protected state laws that voters didn’t like essentially because Constitution-ignorant, football-watching voters typically don’t get interested in state legislation that probably won’t work in their favor until it is too late imo.
In fact, I suspect that Florida citizens who supported Terri still haven’t worked with Florida lawmakers to make Florida euthanasia laws that show more compassion to people like Terri.
So you’re saying via gobbledygook lawyerese slippery talk that states can pass laws that violate the Constitution and no one can do anything about it.
I remember that my lib nephew even realized that this was wrong. He asked his mother to make sure that he was given all available technology including food and water to prolong his life.
I am literally sickened when I think about this situation and how Terri was m.u.r.d.e.r.e.d.
I understand your thinking, I used to think that way too. I talked to my mother about it because my mother was in a accident and in a coma not expected to live or to ever wake up for 28 days.
My mother told me she was aware on some level; she knew when her mother was with her, she got to “know” certain nurses that were kind spoken. The thing she told me that I will never forget is that she had no awareness of the passage of time, she was in a fog like state and said the things like not being able to get up and do things, all the things you are concerned about- the awareness of that wasn’t there, she just didn’t even think about that type of thing. When my mother woke up she said she had no idea how long she had been in a coma, hours, days, weeks- no idea.
Three years ago my grandson was in a coma for almost 3 days and I asked him what it was like, he told me pretty much the same thing my mother said. He knew on some level that his mom and aunt were with him all the time, and knew hubby and I were there but were not there all the time. He is the most active boy ever, he is not a couch potato at all- he said he never thought about not being able to do anything- just never occurred to him.
My hubby was blown up by a landmine in Vietnam and told me he remembered floating up in the air, thought that was weird, didn’t know what was happening- then pretty much nothing for days. He did remember some awareness that things were going on around him but he said he never thought of what he couldn’t do, how bad he was hurt or anything like that until he was fully awake days later.
There was a woman in my state that was comatose and declared in a vegetative state for somewhere around 20 years and woke up- it was in the news for a while. She said she had no idea how much time had passed, to her it was like going to sleep and waking up the next morning. She did have some awareness of her family and music they played for her. In fact what she had a hard time with when she did wake up was that her kids had grown up and her mother, sister, etc. had aged.
It is a different state of mind, it seems it is not what we can relate to, people that are unconscious or in a coma don’t seem to experience the things that most of us think it would be like.
“In fact, I suspect that Florida citizens who supported Terri still haven’t worked with Florida lawmakers to make Florida euthanasia laws that show more compassion to people like Terri.”
It doesn’t matter now, comrade.
We have obamacare to take care of all the “special” cases.
And the elderly.
Thank you for relating your experiences. It must have been very painful to have to live with that. The descriptions of what it was like during the coma is definitely something to ponder about. Perhaps it is a defense mechanism your brain creates to prevent itself from going insane.
it was jeb’s state to have executive power in, understand states have rights, people have rights, Feds only have enumerated powers. Jeb could have protected her. I kept waiting for someone to spirit her out of Florida to a state that could actually protect her. Her “husband” who vowed to love honor and respect her got 250K in life insurance and was already dipping his wick with a new “girlfriend”
I won't post the excerpts unless you want to see them. But in case you are not aware, the Supreme Court had previously clarified that the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for public healthcare purposes.
So all that the Supreme Court did when it decided Obamacare constitutional was to show that the judicial branch of federal government is just as corrupt as the other two branches imo.
The USSC decision of declaring zerocare a tax gave us citizens a tiny sliver of a chance of escaping it IF we had a strong enough resistance in one of the branches of government... so far, the House has tried to disassemble (defund) zerocare 38 times and counting, to no avail.
Personally, I think it’s the eotwawki and it doesn’t matter what the House tries to do to get rid of this monstrosity.
God help us.
You’re right.
Plus, a marriage certificate means something.
To change legalities, we would have to void the marriage contract and let big government take over that roll.
It does the same damage to marriage as homosexual marriage does.
You may not have seen two excerpts from the Gibbons v. Ogden opinion which should have killed Obamacare imo. Gibbons had clarified not only that the states have never delegated to Congress the specific power to regulate public healthcare, healthcare a state power issue, but also that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially powers which Congress cannot justify under the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress (emphasis added)." --Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.So Chief Justice Roberts' calling Obamacare a tax actually went againt case precedent imo."Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." --Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
This case showed that the legal system is capable of murdering an innocent woman while in the full knowledge of her innocence. This one a milestone that delegitimized the government on state and federal level. Row v. Wade was an earlier such milestone. Unless we think that laws are living things that can heal themselves, we must admit that the laws failed not due to a single human error, but as a system.
Rightly the murder of Terri Schiavo must be remembered each Easter.
I just freepmailed you my copy of the ping list. I doubt it’s current, as this was from a couple years ago.
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