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Shooting Dogs OK? It Depends, Southwest Michigan Authorities Say
Michigan Live ^ | March 26, 2013 | Rosemary Parker

Posted on 03/27/2013 5:11:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway

In White Pigeon, a man is charged with animal cruelty, accused of killing a dog he says saw chasing deer.

A Sturgis woman considers arming herself, unnerved by a dog attack that left her pet Pomeranian dead.

An Animal Rescue Fund Award offers a $1,000 for information leading to a conviction in the death of a dog found shot on Cowles Road in Burr Oak.

A spate of troubling dog cases in St. Joseph County has drawn attention to laws regarding dogs, and the law's view of dogs as property at a time when many people view their dogs as valued family members, said Tom Miller, director of St. Joseph County Animal Control. Culturally, views about animals and their place in society have shifted over time, Miller said, and to some extent the law has kept up, by meting out punishment for animal cruelty and neglect.

But lethal force may still be allowed to stop dogs wreaking havoc.

Shooting dogs running deer? Only if you're an officer of the law

For instance, a law enforcement officer is allowed to shoot dogs chasing the state's deer herd or other wildlife, and the dog's owner may be held liable to the state for property damages.

That privilege does not extend to landowners who shoot dogs chasing wildlife. Dallas Barnhart of White Pigeon was arraigned March 14 in St. Joseph County District Court on a charge of animal/killing torturing, accused of shooting a pit bull he said he witnessed chasing deer.

Shooting a dog attacking you or your livestock? OK, but think twice.

State law allows a person to kill a dog in self defense, though, or in defense of another person, or if the dog is in the act of attacking livestock, including poultry, Miller said. Poultry's right to "free range" is generally protected everywhere but cemeteries and airports, Miller said, something that may dismay the owner of a $500 dog shot in the act of killing a $3 chicken who learns the law is on the side of the chicken owner. Farmers who used to follow the "shoot, shovel, shut up" practice of taking care of offending dogs, though, would be better to let the law handle livestock issues, Miller said. The county maintains a fund to reimburse farmers for livestock killed by dogs, but only for their market value as meat. If an animal control officer is able to identify the owner of dogs that killed livestock, they may be liable for the actual value of breeding or show stock, he said.

Do-it-yourself euthanasia? It's the owner's call, if it's done right

The law also protects a person's right to dispose of his or her own dog, with or without a reason the neighbors may find acceptable, using methods distasteful to others as well. For instance, it is not clear that any laws were broken in the case of the dog found dead in Burr Oak from a gunshot to the head, Miller said.

The dead dog is not the animal originally rumored to be, the pet of the man who once lived there. Miller located that animal alive and well and living with another family member.

Because the dead dog has not yet been identified, and the body was cremated, there's no way to determine whether the case involved someone killing his or her own dog, legally, with a properly placed gunshot to the head; someone shooting another person's dog, with permission, again, possibly legally; or, a stray, which would likely be against the law unless the animal was attacking, Miller said.

This dog was euthanized after it killed a Sturgis woman's Pomeranian earlier this month. The pit bull's owner never came forward. Courtesy Guidelines for humane euthanasia

Shooting a dog in and of itself is not necessarily against the law.

Although the kinder, gentler view of animals is reflected in the recently released AVMA Guidelines for the Euthanasia of Animals: 2013 Edition -- a 102-page expansion of what used to be a brief listing of acceptable methods of dispatching with animals -- the guidelines are intended only to assure that humane methods are used when animals must be killed. A properly placed gunshot or blow to the head are still methods of euthanasia accepted under the 2012 guidelines of the American Veterinary Medical Association. The guidelines protect a law enforcement officer called upon to put a dog struck by a car and fatally injured out of its misery, but offers little legal defense for the guy who decides to "take a baseball bat to the beagle chained to a doghouse," state veterinarian Steve Halstead said.

The law does somewhat protect the right of a dog owner who does not have a veterinarian, or who believes paying for euthanasia is not a priority, Miller said. As long as acceptable methods are used to kill the pet, killing one's own animal may be legal, even if it conflicts with a neighbor's values, he said.

Though shooting a dog in the middle of attack might be necessary, killing a dog by gunshot after an attack is not a good idea, Halstead said, because a gunshot to the head will destroy brain tissue needed to test for rabies. A bite victim may then have to go through a series of injections as a precaution that might not have been needed, he said.

The law may regard animals as property, "like a toaster," Halstead said, but veterinarians are not required to put down an animal just because the owner wants it done, though the law recognizes the owners right to make that decision.

The county tries to bridge the gap with its services, such as finding adoptive homes for eligible pets that are no longer wanted.

The county shelter will pick up and euthanize dogs that are not appropriate for adoption for an $85 fee, Miller said. For $10 more, the county will dispose of the body.

The shelter staff tries hard "to redirect that business to the owner's own veterinarian, he said, but not all veterinarians are willing, at any price, to euthanize healthy animals, or animals that have not been their patients, Miller said.

Law of 'human decency'

Bottom line, it is the owner's decision about how to deal with an unwanted pet, as long as a humane method is used if the pet is killed, the officials said.

In the case of the Burr Oak dog shot and left, unburied, "I'm not sure if any laws have been broken; however, the law of human decency has been broken," said Thomas Molter, whose organization, Animal Rescue Fund, offered a $1000 reward for information leading to the conviction of the person responsible.

"We want to send out a message that ARF will not tolerate animal abuse in this county," Molter said. "We feel that if a person's pet can't live in a decent, happy and safe environment and be treated as another family member, then they should not have a pet." St. Joseph County Prosecuting Attorney John McDonough said he believes animal laws are straightforward, and that the best way for dog owners to protect their dogs is for them to keep the dogs under their control at all times, either on a leash or in a securely fenced yard or enclosure.

"A lot of situations can be avoided if people take proper precaution to make sure their dog is secured," McDonough said.


TOPICS: Local News; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dog; doggieping

1 posted on 03/27/2013 5:11:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; afraidfortherepublic; ...
WOOOF!

Computer Hope

The Doggie Ping list is for FReepers who would like to be notified of threads relating to all things canid. If you would like to join the Doggie Ping Pack (or be unleashed from it), FReemail me.

2 posted on 03/27/2013 5:12:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: nickcarraway

Here in MA I am legally able to shoot dogs if they are going after my livestock.


3 posted on 03/27/2013 5:14:19 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Joe 6-pack
In White Pigeon, a man is charged with animal cruelty, accused of killing a dog he says saw chasing deer.

What a coincidence, I posted such a comment earlier today on a thread about Gabby Gifford's husband's dog attacking and killing a baby seal......

When I was growing up in rural northern MI, it was a given that any dog seen running deer would be shot if possible. And the dog's owner would have been ticketed if the DNR was involved.......

4 posted on 03/27/2013 5:25:28 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: nickcarraway
it depends on whether you have a badge or not...
5 posted on 03/27/2013 5:25:44 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nickcarraway
Dallas Barnhart of White Pigeon was arraigned March 14 in St. Joseph County District Court on a charge of animal/killing torturing, accused of shooting a pit bull he said he witnessed chasing deer.


6 posted on 03/27/2013 5:41:51 PM PDT by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: nickcarraway

7 posted on 03/27/2013 5:44:06 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Shot for chasing deer? That’s every dog’s greatest joy! (and rabbits, squirrels, cats...)


8 posted on 03/27/2013 5:55:18 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
I doubt I have to warn most FReepers but don't let your dogs run loose unattended.

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Michigan legislative action thread
9 posted on 03/27/2013 6:07:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway

Armed Federal agents are rumored to be allowed to shoot dogs for the White House menu?


10 posted on 03/27/2013 6:10:21 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: nickcarraway
Shoot, shovel, Shut-up
11 posted on 03/27/2013 6:11:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: nickcarraway

I love dogs. But I also believe, just like any animal gone wrong, there is a time to put them down. Here are a few that come to mind (in no specific order):

1. If they attack, bite, or threaten the health and wellbeing of me or my family (or other human beings - other than in the “line-of-duty” such as police dogs or guard dogs protecting the above).

2. Dogs that are running at-large harassing wildlife, or posing a threat to domestic animals. (I consider any dog that has no collar and no way to identify its owner as “ferrel”.

3. Dogs that are causing property damage, after reasonable efforts have been made to stop said behavior.

4. Dogs that are so grievously injured or sick as to have no hope for anything but suffering. While I personally prefer, when possible, the calming “sleep” injection administered by a vet, that isn’t always feasible (or for some, affordable).


12 posted on 03/27/2013 6:21:06 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Hot Tabasco

A few years back I watched the DNR kill a coyote that made the mistake of going after some llamas a guy down the road has.

It was a mercy killing.


13 posted on 03/27/2013 6:23:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TheBattman

“Dirty Old Egg-Suckin’ Dog”

Well he’s not very handsome to look at
Oh he’s shaggy and he eats like a hog
And he’s always killin’ my chickens
That dirty old egg-suckin’ dog

Egg-suckin’ dog
I’m gonna stomp your head in the ground
If you don’t stay out of my hen house
You dirty old egg-suckin’ hound

Now if he don’t stop eatin’ my eggs up
Though I’m not a real bad guy
I’m gonna get my riffle and send him
To that great chicken house in the sky

Egg-suckin’ dog
You’re always hangin’ around
But you’d better stay out of my hen house
You dirty old egg-suckin’ hound


14 posted on 03/27/2013 7:15:07 PM PDT by DManA
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To: nickcarraway
Back in 1974 When i took my hunter safety class/test there was an issue with wild dogs in packs harrying deer herds. The Conservation officer made it clear that it was legal to shoot the dogs.

Being a dog lover i thoguththat was kind of appalling, then I saw the results of what a pack of dogs could do to a deer.

15 posted on 03/27/2013 7:26:10 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: All

I’ve raised sheep for 30 years and probably lost 25 (=$2500) just to peoples pet dogs. The animal control people are less able to stop predators than cops are at stopping criminals. I’ve never been reimbursed a penny by the gov’t or a pet owner. Pet owners always swear their dog was at home. Man do they get upset and sometimes violent when they pay the price for being stupid and learn they don’t have a dog anymore.


16 posted on 03/27/2013 8:03:47 PM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: nickcarraway
Looks like the dark-side-of-dogs threads are really are surging on FR. Odd distraction, seems to me. Typically behind all these accounts is a human behaving badly/irresponsibly. After all they are domestic creatures, and all that implies, not monsters of woe lurching into civilization from the wild.
17 posted on 03/27/2013 8:23:30 PM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: Eaker
thats a hilarious graphic. i really do lol every time.
18 posted on 03/27/2013 8:28:34 PM PDT by Dysart ( Democracy is the road to socialism-- Karl Marx)
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To: Eaker; Slings and Arrows

So, I was right all along.

The second from the left *is* a pitbull!

(Do I really need a sarc tag?)


19 posted on 03/27/2013 8:40:42 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel; Eaker

The savage pit bull in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLnhy6oHQ1M


20 posted on 03/27/2013 8:52:17 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

You’re trying to evoke sympathy and warm fuzzy feelings for the feline pit bull.

Fortunately, I am immune.


21 posted on 03/27/2013 9:00:59 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel; Eaker

They’re even worse in packs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSt5FooOfS0


22 posted on 03/27/2013 9:07:32 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Eaker

Pitt Stop!!!! Bottom row on the left.... I’d recognize him anywhere! :)


23 posted on 03/27/2013 9:08:48 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Slings and Arrows; Eaker

I always knew pitbull kittens could never be trusted.

You’ll never convince me to become pro-kitteh. Give up your vain hope to the contrary!


24 posted on 03/27/2013 10:52:30 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Hot Tabasco

What a coincidence, I posted such a comment earlier today on a thread about Gabby Gifford’s husband’s dog attacking and killing a baby seal......
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Like many others who replied to the threads about that incident, you went to the liberal Left by referring to it as a “baby seal”, when it was actually a sea lion... not a seal. I guess calling it a baby seal instead is done to bring back memories of the clubbing of seals a couple of decades ago.


25 posted on 03/28/2013 6:20:58 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex
you went to the liberal Left by referring to it as a “baby seal”, when it was actually a sea lion... not a seal.

Big deal....

26 posted on 03/28/2013 9:40:19 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Ditter
PitStop is so proud of the portrait you painted for him!


27 posted on 03/28/2013 11:26:30 AM PDT by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Eaker

Glad he likes it, it is one of my favorite paintings.

I’ve got a funny story you will like. I painted a dog portrait for the children and grandchildren of a friend of mine. She presented it to them at Christmas, the dog had died the previous July. When the remaining family dog saw the painting he started barking and running back and forth from the painting to the back door.

They finally realized that the dog recognized his old friend and wanted him to go out and play. I think I must have gotten a good likeness.

That’s funny but also sad.


28 posted on 03/28/2013 12:23:02 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

One of these days I will get that wonderful picture framed.


29 posted on 03/28/2013 6:15:34 PM PDT by TheMom (Stressed spelled backwards is Desserts!)
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To: TheRhinelander

In michigan you can legally shoot a dog on your property if you have hoofed animals...but it doesn’t work for dogs attacking fowl...had a neighbor that shot a neighbors dog that got into his pen of turkeys...cost his insurance 2000 dollars even when he shot it in the pen....


30 posted on 03/28/2013 9:03:16 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

That doesn’t make sense, dogs can do a lot of damaged in a short time to fowls.


31 posted on 03/29/2013 7:26:09 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

You can shoot, shovel and shut up, but the neighbor saw him do it and went to court.


32 posted on 03/29/2013 9:12:02 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

My question is, why is it legal to shoot a dog for attacking your cattle but not your turkeys.


33 posted on 03/29/2013 9:15:46 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

There is a difference between some chickens and your herd of cattle, horse or in my case back then, goats. They are worth a lot more money. Dogs that get into a pasture will run the animals to death.


34 posted on 03/29/2013 9:44:40 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

We have cows and they will fight back. I can’t see dogs running them to death but then they are bucking stock not milk cows.

If I had turkeys or chickens I’d feel free to kill dogs that attacked them.


35 posted on 03/29/2013 10:47:16 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
*****If I had turkeys or chickens I’d feel free to kill dogs that attacked them*******

Don't know why the law included only hoofed animals, just don't get caught if they are after your fowl. I was suprised when he told me, but then again the neighbor saw him shoot the dog and took him to court...The dog was loose and he heard the ruckus in his turkey pen...

36 posted on 03/29/2013 3:58:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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