Skip to comments.Research Sheds Light On Ancient Egyptian Port And Ship Graveyard
Posted on 03/29/2013 9:49:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
New research into Thonis-Heracleion, a sunken port-city that served as the gateway to Egypt in the first millennium BC, was examined at a recent international conference at the University of Oxford. The port city, situated 6.5 kilometres off todays coastline, was one of the biggest commercial hubs in the Mediterranean before the founding of Alexandria...
This obligatory port of entry, known as Thonis by the Egyptians and Heracleion by the Greeks, was where seagoing ships are thought to have unloaded their cargoes to have them assessed by temple officials and taxes extracted before transferring them to Egyptian ships that went upriver. In the ports of the city, divers and researchers are currently examining 64 Egyptian ships, dating between the eighth and second centuries BC, many of which appear to have been deliberately sunk. Researchers say the ships were found beautifully preserved, in the mud of the sea-bed. With 700 examples of different types of ancient anchor, the researchers believe this represents the largest nautical collection from the ancient world...
One of the key questions is why several ship graveyards were created about one mile from the mouth of the River Nile. Ship 43 appears to be part of a large cluster of at least ten other vessels in a large ship graveyard, explained Dr Robinson. This might not have been simple abandonment, but a means of blocking enemy ships from gaining entrance to the port-city. Seductive as this interpretation is, however, we must also consider whether these boats were sunk simply to use them for land reclamation purposes.
(Excerpt) Read more at pasthorizonspr.com ...
The stele of Thonis-Heracleion (1.90m) had been ordered by Pharaoh Nectanebo I (378-362 BC) and is almost identical to the stele of Naukratis in the Egyptian Museum of Cairo. The place where it was supposed to be erected is explicitly mentioned: Thonis-Heracleion. ©Franck Goddio/Hilti Foundation, photo: Christoph Gerigk
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Hi, just a test ping to see if the doubling/tripling problem has been solved.
“The port city, situated 6.5 kilometres off todays coastline”
So has the sea risen or did the port sink? That stele is in remarkable condition. Good post.
This got me thinking about if they ever found chariots in the Red Sea. Appears they found wheels, if true.
Thank you. It’s great to see one of these again!
Yes, they found them, along with pillars on both sides of the crossing to commemorate the event: anchorstone.com
Now this really IS a sunken civ...great post...thanks!
-——One of the key questions-——
After the inspection by the insurers and the vessel was declared to be un seaworthy, the vessels were placed in the grave yard for salvage of hardware and other items of use.
Wow, awesome stele. You’ve got to love soft mud!
Wow, seeing the GGG logo again is like the rediscovery of an ancient civilization. It fills me with awe and delight.
It’s not known for sure, but the best guess is, a big quake in the Middle Ages (the one that knocked down the Pharos) caused the soil under some of those coastal towns slide north, taking the whole works into the drink.
Thanks! Maybe the pings can resume.
This port is in the Mediterranean, not the Red Sea. And no, wheels have not been found. One of the crockumentary makers had a brass wheel made to take some footage of a chariot wheel on the bottom; there’s also some modern machinery from 19th- and 20- century wrecks and things. No chariots.
That many ships, I would guess that they got swamped by the backsplash after the liquefaction slide of the towns. The dating of the vessels will tell one way or the other.
It’s in great shape!
My pleasure, maybe it’s time to resume the pings. Not sure I’ll resume the Digest, but might in an abbreviated different form.
I saw a site that showed what looked like wheels.
As I said, there’s some machinery from modern (100-150 years) wrecks. Wood submerged in shallow seawater, even if buried, would not survive 3450 years, and yet a web search will turn up all kinds of claims that even the axles are intact.
Yet fossils survive for millions of years?
I don’t believe you understand.
Many fossils are rock formations. Sedimentary stone forms around a portion of an animal’s remains, which is usually a bone. The bone often doesn’t last, but the rock does.
Bones can also become petrified, essentially becoming stone themselves, although the most common form of petrified organic matter is petrified wood. Bones can be preserved without petrification too. Teeth are more common. But even feathers and skin fragments have been found without any petrification. All these results are completely dependent on local conditions, such as the amounts and types of minerals present in the ground water.
A wooden ship laying on the bottom of shallow ocean water, however, tends to get eaten. There are too many worms and bacteria living in seawater that find wood to be very tasty.
Yes, of course fossils survive millions (and billions) of years, they’re rocks. The organic materials were substituted with minerals, which is why they’re generally incomplete and rare.l.
This thread isn’t about the Exodus, or the Sea of Passage, so knock it off.
And Happy Easter to you, too.
There has never been a fossil in sea water that shows evidence of a wooden origin?
This thread isnt about the Exodus, or the Sea of Passage, so knock it off.
Wow, why so uppity? What is it about biblical archaeology that makes you so rude?
The Med is sea water, the Gulf of Aqaba is sea water. You have a legitimate question.
Many of them have gracefully-curved spokes and/or are "faired" (with spoke ends flared out and blended into the wheel and hub). AFAIK, no ancient wheelwright ever did either of those things; it would simply be too much work for no functional improvement.
Now, if you want to see the exact same things -- out of the water -- go to Google Images and search for "valve wheel". You will be greeted with a page of pictures of wheels that look exactly like those depicted underwater -- complete with curved spokes and "faired" spokes.
Note that many of the similar valve wheels have square or hexagonal holes in the center. It is common for the worker to carry a wheel with him from valve to valve, slip the wheel over the square or hex valve stem, adjust the valve, remove the wheel -- and carry it with him to the next valve.
Unsurprisingly, valve wheels occasionally get dropped overboard or are washed or roll overboard when dropped.
Conclusion: those "chariot wheels" are merely modern valve wheels that fell overboard from tanker ships.
Don't feel bad -- those "sunken chariot wheels" had me wondering at first, too... '-)
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Thanks. I’ll do a little more research when I have time. I would think they would probably be buried by now anyway, but you never know.
I never considered that, thank you.
Nice to see a GGG ping. Wow, that stele is in fantastic condition.
Thank you for reviving this list.
If I weren't
A) swamped with a minimum of seven ongoing archaeological projects at any given time
B) over 3/4 century old...
I'd volunteer to help with it -- but -- I might be more hindrance than help... '-)
Looks like it’s fine. Thank you for the pings!
All the news that's fit to print?
Actually you are the intruder in this and you are the one being rude. Furthermore, what you said about me is false, iow a lie, making you a liar.
It’s interesting that the rulers put up basically permanent proclamations, considering 90 or 95 percent of the population was illiterate, but of course, having it posted in public like that meant that no one could plead ignorance of the law, or claim the law hadn’t gone into effect yet. :’)
Thanks all for the kind remarks about the GGG list revival. Here’s hoping that it assists in some way with the FReepathon, and isn’t just a drag on the bandwidth, i.e. the tent where we’re holding this revival. :’)
Looks like Y’All are back with a bullet- Fantastic!
Intruder? lol I didn't know you had your own exclusive club.
That was in response to your ridiculous lie, and yes, you intruded, because I didn’t direct any part of the foregoing conversation to you.
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