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Seeking to save Peter Cottontail from extinction
Associated Press via Excite.com ^ | Mar 30, 2013 | STEPHEN KALIN

Posted on 03/30/2013 1:14:02 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch

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To: ApplegateRanch

I’m used to ridiculous environmental alarmism, but this one is so far off the mark, it’s comedy. If there’s one thing you NEVER have to worry about, it’s having too few rabbits. Aside from houseflies and cockroaches, there is probably not another species on earth that is more fecund.


21 posted on 03/30/2013 2:55:59 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: ApplegateRanch

All the bunnies decided to leave that extremist liberal state.

We still got lots of them down here!


22 posted on 03/30/2013 3:05:47 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: SunkenCiv; Slings and Arrows

I just absolutely knew fellow FReepers would have fun with this lunacy, & I was right.

“Thus saith the Hugh Manatee: Hail Holy Darwin: Thou puny Humans shalt not interfere with the Natural Order...except when We, his Holy Priesthood, can force interventions to thwart Holy Darwin, to preserve the Deserving, Cute & Cuddly, Unfit from Catastrophic Non-Interference. The Hugh Manatee hath spoken!”


23 posted on 03/30/2013 3:28:49 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Squawk 8888

According to the Wikepedia article, Peter Cottontail was “briefly” known as Peter Cottontail—thereafter as Peter Rabbit.


24 posted on 03/30/2013 3:47:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: rktman

Get your self a 17B or a 17 Hornet. just a little pop and rabbit stew for dinner.


25 posted on 03/30/2013 3:53:46 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: BooBoo1000

Yummmmmmeeeeeeee!


26 posted on 03/30/2013 4:16:14 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: ApplegateRanch

Worst still, there are no persistent observable differences between the abundant Eastern cottontail and the New England cottontail. In fact, biologists only discerned a difference between the New England cottontail and the New England cottontail after 370 years of observation, in the 1990s.


27 posted on 03/30/2013 5:39:24 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Squawk 8888
Peter Rabbit and Peter Cottontail are different critters.

Actually, they're one and the same. Peter Rabbit, who was featured in many of the books Thornton Burgess wrote for young people changed his name to Peter Cottontail in The Adventures of Peter Cottontail (New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1941).

Not too long ago, I read Burgess' Mrs. Peter Rabbit (New York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1919), which chronicles how the moody and depressed Peter sets out from his briar patch on a journey fraught with mortal dangers from predators as well as the jealous father of Miss Fuzzytail, a doe he is pursuing. Each chapter starts out with a quote from Peter, such as "“Who has attentive ear and eye will learn a lot, if he but try.”

Young people today ought to rediscover Peter Rabbit, a far better role model than, say, the bratty and boorish Junie B. Jones, popular among young readers today.

28 posted on 03/30/2013 7:04:01 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Turns out Beatrix Potter created Peter Rabbit, and Burgess consciously “borrowed” him.

Joel Chandler Harris' "Uncle Remus" books of the 1880's also seem to have influenced Burgess's stories.

29 posted on 03/30/2013 7:15:55 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

“I’m confused. I thought Beatrix Potter wrote Peter Rabbit.”

So did I.


30 posted on 03/30/2013 7:29:11 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: dangus

Thanks; so it’s some more slight of hand species fragmentation, where “populations” get redesignated “species” for environazi purposes. Not really surprised. After reading your post, I looked them up.


New England cottontails are virtually identical to eastern cottontails. The only way to tell them apart unequivocally is to view skull characteristics or by DNA analysis. Generally, New England cottontails have slightly shorter ears and smaller bodies. New England cottontails have a black spot between their ears 90% of the time (compared to 40% in eastern), they always lack a white spot on the forehead (eastern has the white spot 43% of the time), and they have a black line on the front edge of the ear 95% of the time (easterns 40%).[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_cottontail


31 posted on 03/30/2013 8:10:14 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

If New England is running short of rabbits, I’m sure that the Australians would be happy to donate a few.


32 posted on 03/30/2013 8:21:16 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Next, you’ll suggest they import Bunnies from the Playboy Club?


33 posted on 03/30/2013 8:43:39 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch
This and coyotes....


34 posted on 03/30/2013 8:53:46 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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35 posted on 03/30/2013 8:58:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

The article could be clearer. As I looked into the matter, the assertions of those who would preserve the New England Cottontail make sense, at least presuming their truth.

See, one of the very difficult things about wildlife management is that it is natural for environments to progress from one type to another . Humans are very good at recognizing one type of environment and preserving it, but that stability does not recreate natural processes.

In Eastern, humid, temperate zones, there is a natural cycle: 1) Swamps and ponds fill in, becoming meadows. 2) Meadows become fertile lands for shrubs and bushes. 3) Shrubs and bushes provide shelter, fostering the development of trees. 4)Trees grow. 5) Older, larger trees block light from the ground, preventing other plants from growing on the floor, allowing erosion. Huge roots alter runoff patterns. 6) Water collects, and as huge trees finally age, die, and decay, swamps and ponds form.

Apparently, the Eastern Cottontail has larger eyes, and is safer at venturing from shrubs, brush, bushes and new-growth forests into meadows, and the farms which create conditions similar to early post-meadow stages. The New England cottontail thrives only in lands covered by shrubs, bushes, and new-growth forests. (Neither species thrive in older-growth forests, where the forest floor tends to be bare.)

The difference is supposedly in the eyes; NE cottontails have smaller eyes. New England cottontails thrived in the farms of early New England, and as the farms reverted to forest. But Eastern cottontails thrive better in the “fragmented habitats,” including lawns, golf courses, clearances, and nearby woods more typical of modern New England (as well as stream beds, forest edges, etc.)

The authors of this web site CLAIM that the two populations share one habitat without interbreeding. If true, this would be speciation. However, I believe I read earlier that part of how the E Cottontail is destroying the NE Cottontail is by interbreeding it os the distinct traits are absorbed into a larger population.


36 posted on 03/30/2013 9:50:46 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: ApplegateRanch

This is pretty funny. Various enviro memes at battle with each other.

The “natural” (no human intervention) plant succession in New England results in climax forest of deciduous and evergreen trees. Those trees live a really long time and the forest doesn’t change much.

The rabbits live well mainly in “young forest,” a much earlier stage in the progression where the forest starts to come back after disruption by logging, windstorm, forest fire, etc. Prior to the arrival of men the most common of these were fires, which probably often burned for weeks or months before running out of fuel or being put out by rain, “destroying” huge areas of forest in a random way.

When the white man appeared in the area around 400 years ago, the “natural state” of the land had for 10,000 years or more been routinely and regularly managed by fire by the Indians, who burned everything in sight every fall, as a way of ensuring better hunting the next year. What this means is that a new “natural” ecosystem had developed, dependent on this regular semi-controlled burning to maintain itself. This was of course in addition to the natural method of potentially massive completely uncontrolled fires, as the Indians had no way to put out big fires.

Today the “natural” method of resetting the plant succession of uncontrolled fires, and the “sorta-natural” (if you classify Indians as a species of wildlife as most liberals do) of sorta-controlled burns are both prohibited and controlled. So of course any land not cleared or built on eventually reaches the climax forest stage and stays there. Animals dependent on young forest become more rare or die out entirely.

The truly hilarious part is that occasional clear cutting of the forest for lumber products would simulate the natural processes of fire, windstorm, etc. nicely, and reset the plant succession. But we can’t have that because logging is eeeevil.


37 posted on 03/30/2013 9:55:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: dangus

So, IOW, the jury is still out on speciation.

In any case, humans are supposed to freeze the natural progression, to preserve a species/subspecies from natural decline due to the natural evolution of its habitat.

In doing so, how many other species are adversely affected by artificially freezing or even reversing the cycle?

I know, we already interfered with the cycle by clearing and planting the land to farms in the first place, BUT the same people were complaining about that, as in ‘deforestation’, which is one reason those lands were allowed to revert.

Can’t have it both ways. At least when it was honest farmland, it produced products, jobs, and generated taxes; then it went—at taxpayer expense, in many cases—into ‘reserves’, by what ever catchy name; now they want more tax money to unreserve the reserves without actually farming the land.

As others mentioned: Agenda-21 may be involved, with a “threatened” bunny the trigger, a-la northern spotted owls in the Pacific states & logging: bad, repudiated science, but the mills are still gone.


38 posted on 03/30/2013 10:51:32 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

That’s the thing: you CAN’T freeze natural progression. This is also a critical problem in Western forest management, which has been largely based on fire suppression. The problem is that fires are a critical part of natural progression in the West, where they rejuvenate the forests. Without them, the forests are ALL progressing to ultra-old growth and peat & bog stage, which are ironically very poor environments for nearly all mammal and bird species.


39 posted on 03/31/2013 2:32:32 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: Sherman Logan

Actually, one of the great ironies is that white men arrived in an environment which had been for centuries highly managed by Indians, but an apocalyptic plague had just wiped out Indian civilizations. Henry Hudson reported Manhattan Island was thick of Indians, whose campfires darkened the evening sky. By the time the pilgrims arrived, there were mere thousands. Thus, settlers had no clue WHAT the natural progression looked like; what they found was quite unnatural, little did they realize.


40 posted on 03/31/2013 2:37:18 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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