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Cimarron / Uberti 1858 Remington Carbine .44 Black Powder (Smokepole vanity)
self ^ | 4/2/13 | self

Posted on 04/02/2013 7:20:06 AM PDT by Revelation 911

been thinking about getting one - curious to hear comments.

Cimarron orders from Uberti to original specs / markings etc...in .44 black powder (blued)- while Uberti makes a non original in .45 long colt which is also color case hardened....which is better looking

Im torn - BP would extend my deer season - but it would mean a whole new level of expense in powder/shot etc...

I have a Win 94 in .45 colt so I have plenty of ammo

Hate to sound like an indecisive pantload but Im torn as to what ends up in the cabinet -


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curious to hear your thoughts
1 posted on 04/02/2013 7:20:06 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911

Don’t most places require that BP guns legal for hunting be muzzle-loaders?


2 posted on 04/02/2013 7:31:40 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Revelation 911

You might want to find out why the BP revolving carbine wasn’t real popular before buying one.


3 posted on 04/02/2013 7:38:13 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: varmintman

I am not sure what the law actually says but when I lived in Kansas, they told me it was OK to use my Sharps black powder rifle to hunt during primitive arms season.

The only thing the game warden wanted to know was if the components were loaded separately. I told him yes and he said it was OK.


4 posted on 04/02/2013 7:39:19 AM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: varmintman

I think that you would have to hunt in the modern weapons category which means you could not hunt in the BP season.


5 posted on 04/02/2013 7:40:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Revelation 911

BP revolver rifles put a lot of smokey ignition really close to your eyes while sighting. Generally, not a good idea, IMHO.


6 posted on 04/02/2013 7:40:52 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Revelation 911

1858 is a cap-and-ball revolver. I don’t know about using it for deer. Fun to shoot, though. Not a firearm, so you can mail order one and it shows up at your door.

In .45LC, are you thinking of putting on a cartridge conversion cylinder? These work great from what I’ve heard. I think you have to use down-loaded “cowboy” loads in these.


7 posted on 04/02/2013 7:41:38 AM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: Revelation 911

The carbine version you have to be careful how you grip it when firing as the leakage from the cylinder gap can singe your off-side hand/arm.


8 posted on 04/02/2013 7:44:41 AM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: IMR 4350; Revelation 911
You might want to find out why the BP revolving carbine wasn’t real popular before buying one.

To the OP: He has a good point. I have fired the replica Remington 1858 (actually they were first introduced in 1866) revolving carbine and it sure wouldn't be my choice for any kind of hunting. Plinking, target practice is fun, but hunting, no. You have to hold it rather awkwardly to keep the blast from the cylinders from burning you during firing, not a natural thing to do while hunting. In the muzzle loading version, each cylinder has to be loaded just like the cap and ball black powder revolver it is based on.

9 posted on 04/02/2013 7:50:53 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: IMR 4350

for safety reasons when shooting BP revolvers after the ball is seated and before it is capped the remaining space in the chamber is filled with grease. most use something like crisco. i like to use bacon grease because it makes the range smell ilke cooked bacon. (i know it’s sa;ty but i clean up right afterwards so not worried. the grease prevents the the flash from the firing chamber getting into another chamber and fireing another ball. if you are holding a rifle your hand is in front of the cylinder. this is why cicil war sharpshooters quickly rejected the revolving cylinder rifle.


10 posted on 04/02/2013 7:52:40 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government shoud fear us.)
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To: varmintman

Smoke pole? You may want to rephrase that.


11 posted on 04/02/2013 8:14:37 AM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: varmintman

point well made


12 posted on 04/02/2013 8:16:16 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: IMR 4350

i did - thought they were odd - thats what appealed


13 posted on 04/02/2013 8:16:45 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: muir_redwoods

this is the most helpful thing i hadnt considered - thanks


14 posted on 04/02/2013 8:17:41 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Rio

yeah - i had heard cowboy as well - have plenty and coupled with the others posters comments about BP firing near my face/eyes - Im leaning 45 colt for plinking now


15 posted on 04/02/2013 8:18:48 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Rio

yeah - that caught my attention LOL


16 posted on 04/02/2013 8:19:26 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: bravo whiskey

thx


17 posted on 04/02/2013 8:20:39 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: bravo whiskey

Come on be brave.

Shoot a revolving carbine without that messy grease, you don’t need two hands anyway.

Yea there is a real good reason they weren’t real popular.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 8:41:06 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Make sure to wear long soft cotton sleeves when firing your revolving black powder carbine in tall dry grass, so when you light your steadying arm aflame you can run in panicky circles flapping it like a chicken wing setting a brush fire alight around you.

The rifle-caliber revolving carbine: Not a great milestone achievement in the history of firearms design.

19 posted on 04/02/2013 8:52:47 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: IMR 4350

Having experienced a chain fire in my Navy replica pistol, I definitely would not want a BP rifle with a revolving cylinder! Grease or no grease.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 8:58:12 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Revelation 911

You’re welcome. I’m not sure a .45 LC cartridge would be harmless either but it seems better than BP.


21 posted on 04/02/2013 9:00:29 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
must be a fat-finger morning judging from the typos in my previous post.

i have had a chain fire when shooting blanks at a reenactment. that's scary enough.

22 posted on 04/02/2013 9:03:17 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (We should not fear our government. Our government shoud fear us.)
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To: yarddog

In Ohio, you can use your BP rifle during regular deer season. So,,, if you have one that’s more accurate than a slug shotgun,,,,,,,,

in Ohio, you can use your Black Powder rifle during regular deer season


23 posted on 04/02/2013 9:05:41 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Revelation 911

Thanks for the post. I loved the looks of the old Navy/Army Colts and have been thinking of buying one. Now, I don’t think I will.


24 posted on 04/02/2013 9:07:16 AM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: bravo whiskey

“i have had a chain fire when shooting blanks at a reenactment. that’s scary enough.”

My pistol sounded like a machine gun! Went straight to the grocery store for Crisco!


25 posted on 04/02/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: bravo whiskey

I do not have personal experience with cap-and-ball revolvers. I have only a muzzle loading rifle. That said, I read a very detailed post on another forum in which the writer talked about the grease being a great path for chain fires. Instead, he chamfers the opening to each individual bore in the cylinder. That way, the ball gets swaged into place, eliminating the need for any other material. Using this method, the write-up said he had never experienced a chain fire accident. Just a thought, which would appear easy enough to verify.


26 posted on 04/02/2013 9:11:52 AM PDT by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I’ve seen a BP revolver chain fire, and I wouldn’t want my hand in front of it when it did and I wouldn’t want my face anywhere near it when it did.


27 posted on 04/02/2013 9:12:33 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Pecos

I have been shooting cap and ball revolvers for over 40 years and I put a little beeswax cookie (50/50 beeswax and Crisco), cut out with a .45 LC case, on top of the powder before seating the ball. Lubes very well and never had a chain fire.


28 posted on 04/02/2013 9:19:30 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Look on the bright side, if it chain fires you can always use the blood coming from your hand put the fire out.


29 posted on 04/02/2013 9:29:15 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

It was over so fast, less than a second, that it didn’t even scare me. But it made me think!


30 posted on 04/02/2013 9:48:41 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Revelation 911

Some states allow cap and ball revolver firearms for muzzle loader season, but a .45 Colt version would not be allowed.

I have owned a cap and ball version and it was a fun. But keep in mind that there is a reason for the extra trigger thing on the trigger guard. You can not shoot it like a regular rifle or you will get powder burns on your arm from gases escaping from the front of the cylinder.


31 posted on 04/02/2013 10:00:27 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Same here, but I was standing in back of the guy when it cut loose. Scared him s#@% less, but didn’t hurt him.

The guy standing beside him wasn’t so lucky. He got to dig some lead splatter out of his face and arm.


32 posted on 04/02/2013 10:20:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

OW! OW! OW!


33 posted on 04/02/2013 10:23:34 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Okieshooter
but a .45 Colt version would not be allowed.

obviously

34 posted on 04/02/2013 11:03:29 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Not a great milestone achievement in the history of firearms design.

How wrong can one man be?!? Personally, I find it is much handier than my matchlock. Skin grafts are a small price to pay for hours of plinking pleasure, plus the smoke cloud allows easy escape from enraged wild boars.

35 posted on 04/02/2013 11:06:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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