Skip to comments.Cimarron / Uberti 1858 Remington Carbine .44 Black Powder (Smokepole vanity)
Posted on 04/02/2013 7:20:06 AM PDT by Revelation 911
been thinking about getting one - curious to hear comments.
Cimarron orders from Uberti to original specs / markings etc...in .44 black powder (blued)- while Uberti makes a non original in .45 long colt which is also color case hardened....which is better looking
Im torn - BP would extend my deer season - but it would mean a whole new level of expense in powder/shot etc...
I have a Win 94 in .45 colt so I have plenty of ammo
Hate to sound like an indecisive pantload but Im torn as to what ends up in the cabinet -
Don’t most places require that BP guns legal for hunting be muzzle-loaders?
You might want to find out why the BP revolving carbine wasn’t real popular before buying one.
I am not sure what the law actually says but when I lived in Kansas, they told me it was OK to use my Sharps black powder rifle to hunt during primitive arms season.
The only thing the game warden wanted to know was if the components were loaded separately. I told him yes and he said it was OK.
I think that you would have to hunt in the modern weapons category which means you could not hunt in the BP season.
BP revolver rifles put a lot of smokey ignition really close to your eyes while sighting. Generally, not a good idea, IMHO.
1858 is a cap-and-ball revolver. I don’t know about using it for deer. Fun to shoot, though. Not a firearm, so you can mail order one and it shows up at your door.
In .45LC, are you thinking of putting on a cartridge conversion cylinder? These work great from what I’ve heard. I think you have to use down-loaded “cowboy” loads in these.
The carbine version you have to be careful how you grip it when firing as the leakage from the cylinder gap can singe your off-side hand/arm.
To the OP: He has a good point. I have fired the replica Remington 1858 (actually they were first introduced in 1866) revolving carbine and it sure wouldn't be my choice for any kind of hunting. Plinking, target practice is fun, but hunting, no. You have to hold it rather awkwardly to keep the blast from the cylinders from burning you during firing, not a natural thing to do while hunting. In the muzzle loading version, each cylinder has to be loaded just like the cap and ball black powder revolver it is based on.
for safety reasons when shooting BP revolvers after the ball is seated and before it is capped the remaining space in the chamber is filled with grease. most use something like crisco. i like to use bacon grease because it makes the range smell ilke cooked bacon. (i know it’s sa;ty but i clean up right afterwards so not worried. the grease prevents the the flash from the firing chamber getting into another chamber and fireing another ball. if you are holding a rifle your hand is in front of the cylinder. this is why cicil war sharpshooters quickly rejected the revolving cylinder rifle.
Smoke pole? You may want to rephrase that.
point well made
i did - thought they were odd - thats what appealed
this is the most helpful thing i hadnt considered - thanks
yeah - i had heard cowboy as well - have plenty and coupled with the others posters comments about BP firing near my face/eyes - Im leaning 45 colt for plinking now
yeah - that caught my attention LOL
Come on be brave.
Shoot a revolving carbine without that messy grease, you don’t need two hands anyway.
Yea there is a real good reason they weren’t real popular.
The rifle-caliber revolving carbine: Not a great milestone achievement in the history of firearms design.
Having experienced a chain fire in my Navy replica pistol, I definitely would not want a BP rifle with a revolving cylinder! Grease or no grease.
You’re welcome. I’m not sure a .45 LC cartridge would be harmless either but it seems better than BP.
i have had a chain fire when shooting blanks at a reenactment. that's scary enough.
In Ohio, you can use your BP rifle during regular deer season. So,,, if you have one that’s more accurate than a slug shotgun,,,,,,,,
in Ohio, you can use your Black Powder rifle during regular deer season
Thanks for the post. I loved the looks of the old Navy/Army Colts and have been thinking of buying one. Now, I don’t think I will.
“i have had a chain fire when shooting blanks at a reenactment. that’s scary enough.”
My pistol sounded like a machine gun! Went straight to the grocery store for Crisco!
I do not have personal experience with cap-and-ball revolvers. I have only a muzzle loading rifle. That said, I read a very detailed post on another forum in which the writer talked about the grease being a great path for chain fires. Instead, he chamfers the opening to each individual bore in the cylinder. That way, the ball gets swaged into place, eliminating the need for any other material. Using this method, the write-up said he had never experienced a chain fire accident. Just a thought, which would appear easy enough to verify.
I’ve seen a BP revolver chain fire, and I wouldn’t want my hand in front of it when it did and I wouldn’t want my face anywhere near it when it did.
I have been shooting cap and ball revolvers for over 40 years and I put a little beeswax cookie (50/50 beeswax and Crisco), cut out with a .45 LC case, on top of the powder before seating the ball. Lubes very well and never had a chain fire.
Look on the bright side, if it chain fires you can always use the blood coming from your hand put the fire out.
It was over so fast, less than a second, that it didn’t even scare me. But it made me think!
Some states allow cap and ball revolver firearms for muzzle loader season, but a .45 Colt version would not be allowed.
I have owned a cap and ball version and it was a fun. But keep in mind that there is a reason for the extra trigger thing on the trigger guard. You can not shoot it like a regular rifle or you will get powder burns on your arm from gases escaping from the front of the cylinder.
Same here, but I was standing in back of the guy when it cut loose. Scared him s#@% less, but didn’t hurt him.
The guy standing beside him wasn’t so lucky. He got to dig some lead splatter out of his face and arm.
OW! OW! OW!
How wrong can one man be?!? Personally, I find it is much handier than my matchlock. Skin grafts are a small price to pay for hours of plinking pleasure, plus the smoke cloud allows easy escape from enraged wild boars.