Skip to comments.The Great DHS Ammunition Stockpile Myth
Posted on 04/05/2013 11:45:36 AM PDT by Lucky9teen
With the recent release of a letter from the Department of Homeland Security to Senator Coburn, the numbers we calculated independently seem to corroborate the narrative coming from DHS. The concerns surrounding DHS stockpiling ammunition are nothing but more fear-mongering and largely unwarranted. For once, here are the facts to set the record straight:
MYTH: DHS purchased 750 million rounds of several different types of ammunition in August 2012.
FACT: The DHS contract never stated 750 million rounds at any time. It is a five year contract with a maximum purchase of 70 million rounds over the life of the contract. Military Times recently addressed this issue as well.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Maybe so but the laws of supply and demand are working quite well, and there is very little affordable ammunition available, nor is there much for affordable reloading commponants available either. Have you looked for AR bare receivers, or AR parts. Sure glad I built mine two years ago.
commponants - prime example of no spell check.
I’ve been looking since January and I can say prices and availability are becoming more favorable.
This may be true so why is there no ammunition to be found? Go to any online firearm/amunition resource and they all say out of stock on ammo. One site, Georgia Arms, says their production backlog is running 2-9 months out.
So, ammo shortages are induced by a panicked public?
There is plenty of ammo at Gunbroker.com.
Really glad Breitbart is the source here debunking these ammo conspiracy theories. The hardcore conspiracy folks are going to have a hard time letting go though, so I am betting this will have to be posted hundreds of times.
Only to pounce upon us with carefully disguised shooting incidents. If Lanza killed those kids then Fast & Furious was a local initiative. I don't buy it. The kid collected cheap Japanese swords, pellet guns and decorative spears. He owned a Starter's Pistol for Pete's sake?
Does the government buy .22 rounds?
THESE seem in most shortage. I can’t find them anywhere.
Look, it isn’t just ammo. It isn’t just AR’s and AR components.
I make rifles from mil-surp actions and new custom barrels. Want to know how long I’m waiting for a barrel these days? About 3X what I used to wait in 2010. There are some barrel makers (Krieger) who are out to 27+ weeks for a barrel - that used to be available in four to six weeks.
That’s for a barrel that you need a gunsmith to:
1. Cut to length.
3. Thread to the action.
5 (sometimes) turn to the desired OD and profile.
That’s like three to four hours of work on a lathe (and possibly 20 minutes more on a mill for Springfields and Winchesters) - obviously not something that some amateur is going to do on his/her own, like cramming AR parts together into a useable gun.
The only guns that are readily available are Mosin’s, and even then the spam-can ammo has disappeared.
People are buying almost anything and everything that launches a bullet.
Phone calls to two gun shops about the availability of black powder received responses saying some black powder was available for immdeiate purchasee, but it was in short supply tto the dealers.
Yep. Finally found .223 this am at .50 a round...the price I’ve been waiting for. Two weeks ago I couldn’t find any under .90. Things are loosening up as the 1000’s of new Obama-inspired gun owners are finally getting their supplies laid in.
GunBroker is where all of the walmart employees are selling their ammo that was purchased before it ever hit the shelves.
Tin foil cannot be defeated!
Lots of folks (like me) bought new .22 rifles since December and needed to fill their gun cabinets. .22 is becoming available but the price is still very high. ($90-150 for a brick)
There is still a shortage, and where has all the Milsurplus gone?
Than How Come I get E-Mails from my Local Gun Store Advertising a box of 50 Remington 22 LR for "only" 6.99!
That is CRAZY Expensive.
Then I (reluctantly) stopped by our Super Walmart the other day and they had Nothing! Literally Nothing!
BTW, Thanks Alberto Gonzales (W’s AG) for the barrel ban. /s
FACT: All agencies for the federal government do a 5 year budget forecast. They could end up buying 750 million more rounds of assorted calibers over that period. It's still could be boatload of ammo.
It is a five year contract with a maximum purchase of 70 million rounds over the life of the contract.
Actually Breitbart, the minimum buy guarantee over the next five years of the contract from 10/01/2012 to 9/30/2017:
Verbatim from the contract:
"When the government requires CLTA [Commercial Leading Training Ammunition] covered by this contract, delivery order(s) will be issued: delivery instructions will be listed therein. Prices include all delivery cost and Federal Excise Tax (FET). The minimum guarantee that the Government will order is 1,000 rounds per contract per year. Unit price is per 1,000 rounds. "
The gov has the option of buying that Titanic load of ammo per the contract.
Those prices are insane.
IMHO, Because we are our own worst enemy. As soon as Obama got reelected ammo and guns started flying off the shelves. People are buying in blind panic.
The same thing happened in '08. Ammo shortages were not quite as bad then, you could always find .22 rimfire. However, 5.56 and .308 was next to impossible to find for the longest time. This time around not only do you have panic buyers but profiteers who are buying anything and everything and reselling at inflated prices. Even blackpowder supplies have nearly vanished from the store shelves.
What's happening now with the ammo is what happens to food and bottled water here in Florida when a major hurricane threatens us. The only difference is this threat will be with us for quite a while. People see this and they're not letting up on the panic buying.
Definitely. I will not buy any .22 until I can get a brick for under $35 or a box of premium (Mini Mags, Stingers etc)for under $20.
That article makes more sense than anything else I’ve seen (of the “conspiracy articles”). The “problem” that is being caused is because of the average ammunition purchaser stockpiling and hoarding ammunition - far beyond what has been normally done in the past.
They’ve listened to the conspiracy nuts and are now causing their own problem ... LOL ...
My local Walmart was depleted of all popular calibers (9, 40, 38, 357, 223, 308, and 22 of *any* flavor). The only shot shells in the store were 18 boxes of 3” and 3-1/2” turkey loads.
I asked the guy at the counter and he said that shipments are smaller and there is a group of guys that all show up whenever they are stocking and buy anything popular that hits the shelf.
The problem locally is hoarders and folks reselling, plain and simple. I’m guessing when the current anti-gun season blows over, ammo prices will return to normal and all the folks with panic-priced stockpiles are going to be doing some *expensive* shooting.
But since the Ammo Companies got a taste for what people are willing to pay for them I doubt they will.
Plus you have to throw Ubama's scamming into the mix and what he will do.
One solicitation under Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) has a contract ceiling of UP TO 750 million rounds of training ammunition, a maximum quantity allowing FLETC flexibility over the next 5 years for training of over 90 federal agencies. A separate 5-year department-wide contract allows the purchase of UP TO 450 million rounds of duty ammunition for our law enforcement officers and agents. This contract is intended to be used by all DHS components, except the U.S. Coast Guard, who uses U.S. Department of Defense ammo contracts. This contract is part of the Departments strategic sourcing efforts to combine multiple previous contracts in order to leverage the purchasing power of the entire Department to efficiently procure equipment and supplies at significantly lower costs.
Someone has to watch all the munition contracts being awarded, and add up the actual ammo deliveries over a period of time to get the real picture how much the government is getting.
It makes perfect sense, which means the Alex Jones crowd will continue to believe in conspiracy theories instead.
This is precisely what is happening and I refuse to feed the beast. What should have been readily available at brick & mortor stores is being bought up by a small group of folks in communities and then resold online. The ebay “dealers” can sit on their stacks of inventory for eternity. I’m not buying it.
Me thinks the story stinks.
No matter what, I still think it is a grand idea for states to create a “minimum regulatory regime” in their state law, for gun and ammunition manufacturers to set up shop in their state, on condition that they sell specifically for in-state use.
A big incentive for this would be for those states to also have a contract preference for their state and county to buy from these in-state manufacturers.
Of course the government has the option of buing that amount. That is what is called the contract ceiling. Government contracts are often written with very high ceilings but that doesn’t mean there is any intention of actually buying that amount. It simply is a number for that specific contract. The actual orders are always what is important not an almost meaningless contract ceiling quantity.
Buy low, sell high.
What I said in post.
Stop Buying Guns & Ammo!!!
Seriously, stop it. I went to a gun show this past weekend in Michigan and almost shat myself when I saw the price that people were selling ammunition. $65 for a crappy box of 525 rounds of Federal 22lr and a dollar a shot for basic 223 and 308???!!! That box of 22lr was $14.99 not even 6 months ago. Ok, I have to come clean. That was me selling the ammo for that price and I would have felt bad, but the growing wad of money in my pocket eased my feelings of remorse. What can I say, I was prepared for this day and they werent. I did notice that the $2,000+ AR-15s of December 2012, now arent selling at even $1,100. At least that has died down a little. People are starting to realize that without ammo, an AR is just a really expensive conversation piece/club.
Heres the math on why not to buy right now. These price hikes are caused 100% by panic and insane demand. If we all stop buying, the prices will stabilize and go down. No current law in Congress (that is actively being pushed) would restrict the purchase of ammunition. About all they may get (and I pray they dont) are enhanced background checks. Now it is time for me to go ADHD on you and get off track for a minute and address the background check issue. In short, these background checks wouldnt do a damn thing to make anyone safer. However, they will make the politicians who vote for the bill feel like they are really dealing with the problem of firearms violence in America. It doesnt matter that no background check would have stopped Aurora or Sandy Hook from happening. But, lets not let the facts get in the way of an asinine law. Seriously, what would this new background check form look like if this bill were to pass:
-Have you spent time on anti-depressants in the past year, or are you currently on medication that could make you snap and go postal?
-Do you suffer from PTSD?
-Are you a member of a militia, or the NRA?
-Do you have more than 500 rounds of ammunition in your house?
-Are you really really super pissed at someone right now, I mean SUPER PISSED?
-Do you have thoughts of strangling kittens or harming small, woodland creatures?
-Seriously, are you crazy? We really need to know so that this FFL dealer does not sell this gun to you and then you go and use it to harm others.
Ok, now that the enhanced background check theory has been debunked ever so masterfully by Mr. Ags, on to my original rant of not buying guns and ammo. Just stop it. Relax. Let Walmart, and your online retailers, restock their shelves and then get back to shooting and buying ammo at a normal pace. Just because you bought an AR-15 does not mean you need to purchase an entire pallet of 223. This too shall pass.
I was at Wal Mart this morning, I asked about 22LR and the clerk laughed and said they had a shipment last night and when the Gun Cash Register opened at 8:00 that they were out by 8:30.
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