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FBI linked Gabby Giffords’ shooter to Christian pro-life groups
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Posted on 04/05/2013 9:03:05 PM PDT by Morgana

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by Ben Johnson

Fri Apr 05, 2013 19:32 EST Comments () Tags: anti-christian bigotry, jared lee loughner, obama administration, terrorism

TUCSON, AZ, April 5, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – An FBI agent drew attention to a possible connection between the man who shot Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and “Christian anti-abortion groups,” according to newly released documents in the 2011 shooting.

In January 2011, Jared Lee Loughner engaged in a shooting spree that left six people dead and 13, including Congresswoman Giffords, wounded.

An investigating detective with the sheriff's office detective wrote in his report that the FBI investigator on the case tipped him off that, in December 2008, Loughner had been caught making graffiti that the agent “believed to be associated with Christian anti-abortion groups.”

The graffiti consisted of the letters “C” and “X,” which Loughner told the arresting officer stood for “Christian.” Loughner spraypainted the letters on a stop sign while his parents were stopped at an intersection.

The revelation is one of many in the 2,700 pages of documents released by the Pima County Sheriff's Department, according to the Phoenix New Times.

It is not clear such symbols are associated with the pro-life movement in any way, much less in the form of graffiti.

Loughner had little apparent sympathy for life at any stage. During a class about suicide bombers at Pima Community College, Loughner asked, “Why don't we just strap bombs to babies?” This and other frightening behavior led to his suspension.

Loughner erected an occultic altar with a mock human skull in a tent in his backyard, rendering his connection with Christian pro-lifers somewhat tenuous.

However, the FBI agent's decision to forge an alleged connection where none seemed to exist fits a pattern of the Obama administration casting Christians in general, and pro-lifers in particular, as latent domestic terrorists or assassins.

A series of reports from the Department of Homeland Security and West Point, as well as a training seminar for FBI agents, have depicted pro-life Christians as the most likely source of domestic terrorism.

A number of pro-lifers believe the Obama administration is attempting to gather intelligence on the pro-life movement.

Jill Stanek has revealed that last July 13, FBI agents Conrad Rodriguez and William Sivley paid a visit to her son-in-law, Andy Moore.

Moore, the proprietor of AbortionWiki.org, said the agents pressured him to expose the inner workings of the right-to-life movement, asked him to name the names of protesters and church leaders involved, and made veiled threats to deport him to his native New Zealand, separating him from his wife and family.

The attempt to politicize Loughner's shooting began almost immediately.

Although at first Loughner was erroneously tied to the alleged “hate group” American Renaissance headed by Jared Taylor, Democrats and the mainstream media immediately speculated he was a member of the Tea Party or had been inspired by a political map drawn up by Sarah Palin.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik added fuel to this fire, tying the shootings to the political rhetoric of Rush Limbaugh. The talk show king “attacks people,” Dupnik accused, “angers them against government, angers them against elected officials and that kind of behavior in my opinion is not without consequences.”

However, the shooter had long been on the sheriff's radar as mentally unstable.

Far from a right-wing conservative, Jared Loughner held political views characteristic of the 1960s.

One of Loughner’s classmates at Tuscon’s Mountain View High School and Pima Community College described him as “a political radical,” “left-wing, quite liberal,” and “anti-flag.”

Another acquaintance said, “His parents were very laid-back, like hippies. They were live-and-let-live people, but not exactly in a good way, and so he grew up doing more or less what he liked.”

Giffords, despite making great strides in her recovery, announced she was resigning from Congress in 2012.

In November, the 24-year-old Loughner was convicted and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: abortion; fbi; giffords; jaredloughner; loughner; prolife
I'm not buying it.
1 posted on 04/05/2013 9:03:05 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Who are you going to believe? Sheriff Dipstik’s boys or Loughner’s classmates? Sounds like a no brainer to me. Loughner is a “progressive” commie lib loon.


2 posted on 04/05/2013 9:08:10 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: Morgana

Its a mistake to think the institutions will restrain an out-of-control president. On the contrary; they are full of careerists who will do whatever they are told to do and say whatever they are told to say. They’ll make sure their reports will read just as they are supposed to read. You aren’t going to hear of many FBI agents resigning and refusing to serve this president.


3 posted on 04/05/2013 9:10:43 PM PDT by marron
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To: Morgana

He spray panted a C and an X and he is instantly associated with pro-life groups ... give me a break. Talk about a stretch.


4 posted on 04/05/2013 9:11:03 PM PDT by doc1019 (The rabbit hole that Obama is leading us down just gets deeper and deeper.)
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To: Morgana; shibumi

But have they linked him to Kevin Bacon yet?


5 posted on 04/05/2013 9:11:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Morgana

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/5/dod-presentation-classifies-catholics-evangelicals/


6 posted on 04/05/2013 9:12:49 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: doc1019

Maybe it was Roman numerals.


7 posted on 04/05/2013 9:12:49 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Morgana
The graffiti consisted of the letters “C” and “X,”

I thought that was a hardcore Straight Edge punk thing. Not the usual 'no drug' straight edge types, but the ones that are militant vegetarians/enviros. They usually tag hXc.

8 posted on 04/05/2013 9:13:03 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: doc1019; wagglebee; little jeremiah; All
smells like bullshit photo: Smells like Bullshit smellslikebullshit.jpg
9 posted on 04/05/2013 9:13:21 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

What does it matter?


10 posted on 04/05/2013 9:14:40 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Morgana

Yes, most of the pro-life Christians I know have pagan skull altars in their back yards. It makes perfect sense. Thank goodness we have such competent civil servants looking out for us. We are so far down the rabbit hole it’s spooky.


11 posted on 04/05/2013 9:24:39 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Morgana

This is pure bullshit.

Loughner was a well known leftist, and his mother was a leader in some wacko “action committee.”


12 posted on 04/05/2013 9:25:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Trod Upon

I never heard of such a thing as a pagan skull altar.


13 posted on 04/05/2013 9:28:01 PM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: Morgana
feh...
14 posted on 04/05/2013 9:28:20 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana
Loughner erected an occultic altar with a mock human skull in a tent in his backyard, rendering his connection with Christian pro-lifers somewhat tenuous.

Admirable use of understatement.

15 posted on 04/05/2013 9:35:56 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Morgana
The graffiti consisted of the letters “C” and “X,” which Loughner told the arresting officer stood for “Christian.” Loughner spraypainted the letters on a stop sign while his parents were stopped at an intersection.

Yeah, "Stop Christianity" - that was his message. His link to Christian anti-abortion groups was that he hated them with a passion. It's a link.

16 posted on 04/05/2013 9:45:57 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Morgana

Check Loughner’s voting affiliation.


17 posted on 04/05/2013 10:10:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Morgana
Continued failure of the media to understand Christians. Killing innocents is not something we do from conception to the grave..

This exemplifies the dual edged sword of Christians being involved in the political process. Our views must be shared and they have been the bedrock foundation of this country since its inception but today's politicians, only interested in the next election, are the absolute worst people to carry that message...

18 posted on 04/05/2013 10:14:24 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Morgana

FBI lies. Alleged. Agent thought. Agent believed. Authorities pressured.

Way way too many words that don’t prove a thing but bias and ulterior motives.

Bullshit FBI lies.


19 posted on 04/05/2013 11:54:38 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Morgana

His social security card linked him to the federal government.


20 posted on 04/05/2013 11:56:05 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Morgana

Trying to direct attention away from hubby’s shopping trip at the gun store.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 12:01:18 AM PDT by Califreak (11/6/12 The Day America Divided By Zero)
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To: Morgana

Is LSN reporting a non-story?

Whatever. A conservative Fed Judge was murdered by Loughner. Why didn’t this judge dispatch Loughner?


22 posted on 04/06/2013 1:10:27 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Morgana

this is bs.

it was reported he was a big hardcore liberal who had finally had it with Giffords because she wasn’t liberal enough for him. the last straw was her not voting for pelosi as leader.

if the guy a hyper-liberal and loves pelosi he ain’t christian or pro-life.


23 posted on 04/06/2013 1:25:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Morgana

Loughner was a liberal left winger all the way. I, among others, used to debate and lock horns with him on a political message board for years up until a few days before the shooting. His user name was his first name, Jared, and his avatar was a pic of himself with a full head of hair. A couple of days after the shooting, the moderators of the board went to great lengths to remove his account and his posts. (I’m not sure if they managed to delete them all, or missed a few)


24 posted on 04/06/2013 1:32:45 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Morgana
which Loughner told the arresting officer

Aha!!!! A definitive link between Loughner and the police department!

25 posted on 04/06/2013 1:35:04 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Morgana

What a FREAKING LIE!!!


26 posted on 04/06/2013 1:41:10 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Morgana

It has been reported that Loughner’s parents are Jewish. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/01/is-jared-lee-loughner-jewish/


27 posted on 04/06/2013 3:11:28 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Morgana
An investigating detective with the sheriff's office detective wrote in his report that the FBI investigator on the case tipped him off that, in December 2008, Loughner had been caught making graffiti that the agent “believed to be associated with Christian anti-abortion groups.”

The graffiti consisted of the letters “C” and “X,” which Loughner told the arresting officer stood for “Christian.” Loughner spraypainted the letters on a stop sign while his parents were stopped at an intersection.

So, on the one hand we have a police investigator that inserts undocumented heresay from an "FBI agent" into an official (supposedly a first-hand account) report, and then we are treated to specious bullshit about a son spray painting a sign ON THE ROAD while his parents watched? BULLSHIT

28 posted on 04/06/2013 3:18:39 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Morgana

In other news, there continues to be no relation between terrorists and Islam


29 posted on 04/06/2013 4:02:22 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Morgana

This has been done throughout history.

Make the story you need for your agenda. Remember Horst Wessell?


30 posted on 04/06/2013 5:03:37 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Morgana

“Loughner erected an occultic altar with a mock human skull in a tent in his backyard, rendering his connection with Christian pro-lifers somewhat tenuous.”

Longhner’s actions here are a reputation of Christianity. Maybe the FBI is now staffed with so many secular progressives that they are as confused about Christianity as the New York Time is. This smells like they are fabricating a story to advance a broader ideological agenda.

Is it time to demand that the FBI apply the same respect for Christianity that they now show to Islam?


31 posted on 04/06/2013 5:13:44 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Morgana

“Loughner spraypainted the letters on a stop sign while his parents were stopped at an intersection.”

Say what?


32 posted on 04/06/2013 5:44:16 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: theBuckwheat

You meant “repudiation”, not “reputation”.

Good points all around.


33 posted on 04/06/2013 5:49:55 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Morgana
Loughner spraypainted the letters on a stop sign while his parents were stopped at an intersection.

Sorry, not buying that BS. He just happened to have a can of paint, jumped out of a car at a stop sign and painted the letters while his parents watched. I need chest waders to get through that BS.

34 posted on 04/06/2013 6:03:45 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: eclecticEel

Totally agree. The dumbass Affirmative actio FBI twits are useless.


35 posted on 04/06/2013 6:10:41 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: doc1019

How do they know X doesn’t relate to Malcolm??


36 posted on 04/06/2013 8:21:51 AM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind.")
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To: laplata

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-frightening-twisted-shrine-arizona-killer-jared-lee-loughner-yard-article-1.149211


37 posted on 04/07/2013 1:03:18 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Trod Upon

Now I have seen one. Thanks, T U.


38 posted on 04/07/2013 1:07:21 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals will never get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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