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Australia: Carbon Tax coming....will it also appear in the USA?
JoNova ^ | April 4th, 2013 | joanne

Posted on 04/06/2013 9:00:44 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Title at JoNova:

Jobs and junkets are on the line. Abbott could axe Flannery and the climate commission

*******************************Politicians at Work*********************************

Tim Flannery

No wonder Flannery and co. are playing double or nothing. While headlines have shouted for years that vested interests of the fossil fuel players dominate this debate, few journalists point out that the renewables industry, carbon trading markets, and the climate-scary-science-campaign have an all-or-nothing interest in propagating alarm. 

As I keep saying, those in private business who provide real goods to real voluntary customers will suffer from a carbon tax, but they still have a market. For them it’s a “dent” in profits. We’ll still be buying coal, oil and gas for decades to come. In contrast, those who make a living from government funds could lose everything in an instant. Their wealth and status depends on a forced payment and a decision from one Minister. It is far more ephemeral and subject to whim. The state-dependents are far more desperate. The stakes are higher.

Gillard calls the “climate commission” an independent body, which is only true in the same sense that any parasite can be described as “independent” of the host while being completely dependent on it.

This shows just how independent and apolitical the Climate Commission reality is:

 The Australian “Abbott says Tim Flannery’s job could be in danger ”

Andrew Bolt: More spin
Latest weather forecasts
TONY Abbott has signalled he could sack chief climate commissioner Tim Flannery if he is elected as prime minister in September.The Opposition Leader, who has vowed to dismantle the Climate Change Department and merge it with the Environment Department in government, said he did not see the point of paying Professor Flannery about $180,000 a year for his views which Mr Abbott considers already public knowledge.

Bravo Abbott. Without a logical position and empirical evidence, the Climate Commission is an advertising-scheme for a bad ALP policy.

I’m sure Flannery sincerely believes he helps, but does the net benefit to the nation exceed the cost? How are those predictions panning out — Anyone want an unused desal. plant?

Speaking of Desalination, Flannery sat on the sustainability advisory board of Siemens in 2011, which helps make desal plants (like Perth’s). It also makes wind farms. He is also the Panasonic professor, and a few years ago they held a whopping 40% of the market for rechargeable electric car batteries, and were moving into electric car making. For Panasonic, spending $690,000 on Flannery’s research was much cheaper and more effective than buying prime time advertising to tell Australians how much they need electric cars. After all, the ABC don’t even sell ads, but Flannery speaks unchallenged there.

In the end, vested interests are everywhere. Only evidence from our atmosphere tells us which side is right. I’m still asking for that Mystery Paper. Flannery can’t find it.

If he stuck to arguing the evidence and providing a service to the Australian people instead of to government gatekeepers, he wouldn’t have so much to fear. Half of Australia pays his salary, but they aren’t convinced humans can change the weather. How does Flannery serve them?  He calls them names.

Flannery 2011:

… compared climate change deniers to flat Earth believers and said the level of debate on the issue in Australia showed “a lot of heat, but not much light”.

A hypocrite on so many levels.

Flannery recognizes the power of the fossil fuel lobby (see below), but not the “government grants and junkets lobby”. If people are going to reason-by-vested-interests (which is unscientific) then let them at least be honest about the vested interests on all sides. What is magically pure about government money? Since when was $1 from oil more influential than a $1 from a whimsical government program?

Professor Flannery 2007 … said vested interests were hampering the biofuel push.

“The fossil fuel lobby is quite strong, they are a strong lobby group that wants to protect their patch and we see it with coal and petroleum,” he said.

Tim Flannery (2005) recognizes corporate money can corrupt, but never recognizes that coerced government money can corrupt too:

With the election of George Bush, the fossil fuel lobby became even more powerful, and it has been able to corrupt processes within the federal bureaucracy and the soliciting of scientific advice.

What he and the Climate Commission provides is one-sided, illogical, and unscientific.

The real cost of employing hypocrites and illogical people is far more than their salary.

Abbott will score flak for his suggestion from the rent-seekers and religious. The Coalition needs support from all the taxpayers who want tax dollars used wisely.

Other posts on Tim Flannery

h/t James, and snafu in comments too.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: australia; carbontax; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax

1 posted on 04/06/2013 9:00:44 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Carbon Tax is nothing but a New World Order Globalist scam to force a world tax on energy. Its all about the worthless living large on the backs of the productive people of the world.


2 posted on 04/06/2013 9:07:15 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is there a mustach in Mexico?


3 posted on 04/06/2013 9:07:41 AM PDT by sport
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The communists are going to need to get their hands on somebody else’s money somehow. Their promises of communism get expensive and they sure as hell aren’t going to use their own money to finance it.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 9:09:50 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Bill of Rights?)
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To: American in Israel

Breath less, save more, pay less exhalation taxation. No taxation without exhalation. How do these brain trusts get where they are? For every fool diagnosed as mentally deficient, two more pop up. Someone PLEASE stop fertilizing these things.


5 posted on 04/06/2013 9:11:41 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Carry_Okie; blam; Lorianne; Twotone; bigbob; NormsRevenge; ...
I mention Carbon Tax in the title but I am not sure where that stands in Australia....found this:

Carbon Tax

There is a rumor that Obama is delaying a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline in an effort to introduce a Carbon Tax here in the USA...but is a faint rumor.

So my apologies to those that expect a nice concise story on all of these machinations around the Globe.

The fact that the Globe is not warming.....is not slowing down the politicians in their vigorous for more revenues...to keep their life styles intact.

6 posted on 04/06/2013 9:12:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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It appears Prof Flannery is trying to mimic Al Gore in a way.

he sure doesn't want to be thrown off of his little Gravy Train.

7 posted on 04/06/2013 9:21:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

**********************************EXCERPT********************************************

A carbon tax is a Pigovian tax levied on the carbon content of fuels.[1] It is a form of carbon pricing. Carbon is present in every hydrocarbon fuel (coal, petroleum, and natural gas) and is released as carbon dioxide (CO2) when they are burnt. In contrast, non-combustion energy sources—wind, sunlight, hydropower, and nuclear—do not convert hydrocarbons to CO2. CO2 is a heat-trapping "greenhouse" gas.[2] Scientists have pointed to the potential effects on the climate system of releasing greenhouse gases (GHGs) into the atmosphere (see scientific opinion on global warming).[2][3][4] Since GHG emissions caused by the combustion of fossil fuels are closely related to the carbon content of the respective fuels, a tax on these emissions can be levied by taxing the carbon content of fossil fuels at any point in the product cycle of the fuel.[5]Carbon taxes offer a potentially cost-effective means of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.[6] From an economic perspective, carbon taxes are a type of Pigovian tax.[7] They help to address the problem of emitters of greenhouse gases not facing the full (social) costs of their actions. Carbon taxes can be a regressive tax, in that they may directly or indirectly affect low-income groups disproportionately . The regressive impact of carbon taxes could be addressed by using tax revenues to favour low-income groups.[8] However, there are about USD $550 billion in fossil fuel subsidies annually worldwide.[9]

A number of countries have implemented carbon taxes or energy taxes that are related to carbon content.[10] Most environmentally related taxes with implications for greenhouse gas emissions in OECD countries are levied on energy products and motor vehicles, rather than on CO2 emissions directly.[6]

Opposition to increased environmental regulation such as carbon taxes often centres on concerns that firms might relocate and/or people might lose their jobs.[10] It has been argued, however, that carbon taxes are more efficient than direct regulation and may even lead to higher employment (see footnotes).[10] Many large users of carbon resources in electricity generation, such as the United States, Russia and China, are resisting carbon taxation.

8 posted on 04/06/2013 9:28:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All
Here in the USA:....Just posted this that I had not seen before:

Senate votes highlight Dem divisions over Keystone pipeline, carbon taxes

9 posted on 04/06/2013 9:41:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OH NO!!!!!! HIDE YOUR PENCILS!!!!!!


10 posted on 04/06/2013 10:47:03 AM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Galileo Movement is an Aussie group fighting the carbon tax. They have some great videos Galileo Movement web site
11 posted on 04/06/2013 11:03:58 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "The fact that the Globe is not warming.....is not slowing down the politicians in their vigorous for more revenues...to keep their life styles intact. "
Well stated indeed.
12 posted on 04/06/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Thanks,...messed up that sentence a bit....

Should be vigorous attempts...

13 posted on 04/06/2013 12:15:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I knew what you intended to type. :)


14 posted on 04/06/2013 1:05:52 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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