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Question about Obama phones (vanity, privacy)
Me | 4/6/13 | Me

Posted on 04/06/2013 11:42:35 AM PDT by MV=PY

First, I will assume that everyone here knows that your smart phone has a camera, a microphone, and a GPS system built in.

Software running on the phone is capable of enabling/disabling those functions, gathering data from them and transmitting the data over wifi/cell connection to whomever wrote the software.

Clearly the technology is in place for a wonderfully efficient personal espionage system.

Further, we live in a culture in which normally honest people commonly break the law using technology because it’s easy to do (e.g. downloading music for free, thus stealing from artists).

So:

1. I wonder if the government is passing out free Obama phones in exchange for data acquisition (the Google business model), and

2. Does anyone know the circumstances that would make it legal these days for a government agent to tap into a citizen’s “private” smart phone?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: government; phones; privacy; technology
Just how private are our phones, and what is the true cost of convenience? Personally, I have trouble trusting the government or Google.
1 posted on 04/06/2013 11:42:35 AM PDT by MV=PY
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To: MV=PY

Read the fine print on all google products.

You won’t be happy with what you read, once you wade through the legalese and let what they’re doing sink-in.


2 posted on 04/06/2013 11:45:44 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: MV=PY
Does anyone know the circumstances that would make it legal these days for a government agent to tap into a citizen’s “private” smart phone?

I'm sure Holder would answer your question honestly

3 posted on 04/06/2013 11:45:55 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: MV=PY

Legal? “They” couldn’t care less about legal shegal. I heard somewhere the other day that the fbi routinely gathers data and listens in. Be wary my friends. Be very wary. If you never want it repeated, never say it. If you never want it read, never write it down. It you never want it seen, never take the picture. You get the idea.


4 posted on 04/06/2013 11:46:05 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: MV=PY

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/12/americans-the-most-spied-on-people-in-world-history.html


5 posted on 04/06/2013 11:47:21 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: rktman

Oops! It ain’t just the king hussein phones we’re talikin’ about either. (I believe the program was started under Bush 43.)


6 posted on 04/06/2013 11:49:38 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: MV=PY
A cell phone does not have to have GPS tech to track your position. And all cell phones now have the type of tech you are talking about.

So , yes, and no. the folks that got those phones are not the ones they want to gather info about. We are at war, our own government is the enemy, and, sadly, they want to eliminate all who do not agree with them.

That is the way it goes when Marxism kick starts in every country it has ever been tried in.

7 posted on 04/06/2013 11:50:49 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Doogle

Thanks! A revealing article (so to speak).


8 posted on 04/06/2013 11:51:36 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: MV=PY
I've survived 70 years without a phone attached to my person.

But if you live in Iowa, you might want a phone and a gun.

9 posted on 04/06/2013 11:54:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: MV=PY

Who says that the phones the Government hands out are private. They belong to the Government, I am sure they can do anything they want with the software before they hand it out. You take the phone, you take it as is, there is no contract stating which version of the operating system you are being provided with.


10 posted on 04/06/2013 11:58:30 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: MV=PY
if the government paid for your phone it belongs to them, they just let you use it...
11 posted on 04/06/2013 11:58:52 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MV=PY

An employee where I worked was murdered. The cops tracked down a text sent moments before from inside his house. It made the case. They had the perps within hours of finding the body. I wondered how they did that.


12 posted on 04/06/2013 12:00:41 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: MV=PY

You can write create an app and use it to spy on the government.

But I think you get arrested for spying.


13 posted on 04/06/2013 12:04:14 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: MV=PY

Obama free phones are not smart phones, although some of the functionality referenced is present. I don’t think I’ve even seen even a Java app enabled phone under the Mobile Lifeline program. These models really aren’t even considered ‘feature’ phones. There isn’t a lot to work with as far as programming. You generally get a refurbished phone without choice of model. From what I just read, some of the providers do let you purchase a somewhat higher-end phone and use it according to the terms of Lifeline, but then it isn’t a free phone anymore (although the service is).


14 posted on 04/06/2013 12:15:57 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: MV=PY

I’ve met one person that uses an Obama phone regularly and they say they can’t text, which doesn’t mean their phone calls can’t be listened to or they can’t be traced. Come to think of it I know one older lady that has an Obama phone because it was basically forced on her at a senior center. We pay for this phone but she never uses it— her family provides her with an iPhone, she’s quite tech savvy for 80 plus. She’s tried giving the Obama phone back and they won’t take it, also scaring her into thinking she needs a “back up” phone.


15 posted on 04/06/2013 12:21:52 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MV=PY
You are quite correct in America 2013 A.D.

However, there are some groups in todays America that are quite properly traced. We all know who the groups are PC merely forbids us to mention them. There are other groups in our country that do not need to be traced as they have the necessary intelligence and self control.

16 posted on 04/06/2013 12:28:26 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: MV=PY

Excellent questions.

Remember this: there is no such thing as a free lunch.


17 posted on 04/06/2013 1:04:02 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: MacMattico
She’s tried giving the Obama phone back and they won’t take it

Different here. A relative of mine has to re-justify it every year or it gets taken back (not the phone, actually, but the service ends). She also gets checked that she doesn't have landline Lifelink service as well.

18 posted on 04/06/2013 1:07:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: MV=PY

Do they have a shocker on the phones to make the idiot who holding it submit?


19 posted on 04/06/2013 1:29:44 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: MV=PY

The government decides what’s “legal.” If you have a phone they have the ability to track it and you will never know.


20 posted on 04/06/2013 1:40:46 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: rktman

You could always turn the phone off or leave it elsewhere for private conversations.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 3:35:28 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: MV=PY

It’s just part of living in our society today and has nothing to do with Obama.

If you don’t want anyone tracking you or listening in or tracing text messages - then when you go out somewhere - just leave your phone at home ... LOL ... it’s that simple.

If you’re really paranoid, just get those one-use phones and throw them away when you use them once. Big deal!


22 posted on 04/06/2013 4:17:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: I want the USA back

Buy a throw-away phone, and then leave your normal phone somewhere else - where you’re not ... :-)


23 posted on 04/06/2013 4:19:08 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Ouderkirk

Leaving it elsewhere would be the best option. But, if you never wanted it repeated, never say it. Turning the phone is no guarantee it’s not “active”.


24 posted on 04/06/2013 8:08:49 PM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: MV=PY

If they do any tracking of the sheep who have been provided phones, it will be to see who is closest to an area where they need someone to throw a brick through a window or some such antic - the phone will ring and some Obama-sounding voice will tell them their president needs them...


25 posted on 04/07/2013 3:27:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: rktman

Wrapping it in tinfoil would be a pretty good guarantee ... :-) ... and you could also take out the battery.

[ ... no, really, it would work! ]


26 posted on 04/07/2013 9:19:19 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

LOL! Then I might not have enough tin foil for my hat. (Stupid decisions)


27 posted on 04/07/2013 9:21:03 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: steve86

We have a client in the african american community who owns several businesses. The most profitable one - he buys phones from people when they upgrade for cash and resells them in the AA community to those who don’t have the credit rating to get a cool phone. The purchasers can then have them activated or added under the Obama phone plan. He will also buy your upgrade if you just want to keep your old phone and take the cash. Its strictly a cash business.

I don’ t understand how people who have no employment, no credit and are living entirely on benefits think its smart to pay $600 for a phone.


28 posted on 04/07/2013 11:07:25 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: Roses0508

Interesting.

I know all the workers at the local Burger King have better phones than me. Newer cars, too.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 11:30:03 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Chode
if the government paid for your phone it belongs to them, they just let you use it...

There are several million nobama phones in service. And the government didn't pay for a single one. Doesn't pay for the monthly service either.

30 posted on 04/08/2013 5:14:06 AM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: upchuck
yeah, i guess it's us taxpaying working stiff's paying for them...
31 posted on 04/08/2013 3:51:10 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Precisely.


32 posted on 04/08/2013 4:04:39 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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