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As the horror of the Soviet experiment recedes into the past, so does, unfortunately, our interest in the lessons of that dark period. I wanted to present this remarkable work, which to my knowledge is not available in translation and is rare even in the Russian original. The translation is mine. A-x
1 posted on 04/08/2013 6:31:24 PM PDT by annalex
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To: SunkenCiv; Noumenon

I am not sure whom else to ping on this.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 6:32:37 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
I went to the entry for Communism on Wikipedia tonight for an entirely unrelated reason. There is literally not A WORD in the entry about the death toll of this horribly failed ideology. NOT A WORD.

Why am I not surprised.

3 posted on 04/08/2013 6:36:03 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: annalex
Let us not forget the Lives of Others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FppW5ml4vdw

The Holodomor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3uFUxMwA1w


4 posted on 04/08/2013 6:36:11 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: annalex
Add me to the ping list. The left’s normal response to this is to change the subject or hope it goes away.
5 posted on 04/08/2013 6:36:37 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: VR-21; Fiji Hill; DuncanWaring; ProtectOurFreedom; Bigg Red; dfwgator; FreedomPoster; wintertime; ..
Previously on this topic:
They Endured the Communist Terror.

Bumping the participants on that thread.

6 posted on 04/08/2013 6:40:03 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Interesting, and important to note. We have had our differences in the past, Annalex, which differences won’t magically go away, however, on the subject of communism I doubt we have any differences.

Just an aside: I happened to have attended the first convention of RUKH (the umbrella group that encompassed all non-communist political/opposition parties in Ukraine at the time) in Kiev in the fall of 1990. The most striking thing at that event was the showing of an English film documentary based on Robert Conquest’s book, Harvest of Sorrow, (about the Holodomor, the famine artificially induced by the Bolsheviks in Ukraine of the 1930’s). As the film began it was watched by several hundred Ukrainians in the outer lobby area of the downtown convention center while the political discussions proceeded inside. More and more joined the crowd watching the movie. I must say that I have never seen a film have such an effect on an audience. People were aghast, many weeping. This was not fantasy to those who viewed in that day. It was, at last, the public and documented explanation of what happened to their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents.


14 posted on 04/08/2013 7:04:08 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: annalex

Coming to a country near you with 100% certainty.


15 posted on 04/08/2013 7:06:05 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: annalex

Thank you for posting this.


16 posted on 04/08/2013 7:10:05 PM PDT by philled (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: annalex

A book, on the topic, that may be of interest is:

The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin

Link: http://www.amazon.com/Black-Book-Communism-Crimes-Repression/dp/0674076087/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365474090&sr=1-1&keywords=the+black+of+communism


20 posted on 04/08/2013 7:25:02 PM PDT by CharlesMartelsGhost
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To: annalex

The facts pointed out are that compared to Russian losses in WWII, the loss of jews was insignificant. Compared to losses in the named 13 nations, the Jewish loss was great.

The current events in Europe are the direct result of the destruction and loss of life in the 40’s. The fear of Europe, that is, the justified fear and hatred of Europeans by Russians, resulted in the establishment of European buffer zone that would succumb before aggression could strike into Russia again.

Very soon, if not already, those with direct memory of the death and destruction in Europe proper will be dead. There will be no real memory, only hearsay descriptions of what was. Once all the old folks and their kids are gone and no longer holding the governmental reins, the loathing of war will dissipate.

It is then that a weak Russia will be in trouble. The hardened buffer of Eastern European states will be gone. The weakened population, nearly destroyed by alcohol will be unable to resist the influx.


28 posted on 04/09/2013 6:04:44 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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Thank you Annalex! This is excellent material. I'm finishing The Whisperers - Private Life in Stalin's Russia by Orlando Figes. It brings Stalin's Terror to life like few other things I've read...not just in the death and brutality of it, but also in the lives it destroyed. The research is superb, with pictures of individuals and family's who were savaged by that evil man and by that ideology. In this context, that recent remark by Melissa Perry Harris about 'collective ownership of children' made my blood run cold.

Thanks again for remembering me with this posting.

35 posted on 04/09/2013 9:07:14 AM PDT by VR-21 (I'm weary of being lorded over by criminals and gilded degenerates.)
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To: annalex

Thank you very much for taking the time to translate and post this paper by Mr. Koshkin/Kurganov. I cannot believe he survived the Stalin purges in the 30s. What a very lucky man.

I’m reading “Bloodlands” right now and this paper fits very nicely with that book. I highly recommend Bloodlands if you haven’t read it.


36 posted on 04/09/2013 3:07:14 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: annalex

And here we are in America 21st century, obsessed with two phenomena which ceased existing 67 years ago: Holocaust and (Dr. Mengele’s) racism (because ethnic animosity is not “racism”, but of course the term is and has always been intended to imply closeness of the accused to Mengele’s ideas), and I figure it has been planned and being executed to draw attention from the crimes of Communism which are still occurring daily, while some of the retired Communist criminals are living comfortably in places like Sweden.


44 posted on 04/09/2013 5:40:26 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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