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Worst PC sales drop in history
CNN Money ^ | April 10, 2013: 5:19 PM ET | Julianne Pepitone

Posted on 04/10/2013 5:45:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai

PC sales certainly haven’t been good over the past year or so, but this past quarter was record-setting bad.

Shipments of PCs fell 14% worldwide last quarter, according to IDC. It was the worst yearly decline since IDC began tracking the data in 1994. …

Bob O’Donnell, a vice president at IDC, said in the company’s report that “the Windows 8 launch not only failed to provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the market.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: computers; computersales; laptops; windows8

1 posted on 04/10/2013 5:45:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Approaching market saturation. Its the way things work.


2 posted on 04/10/2013 5:48:12 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Olog-hai

Windows 8 is MS’s way of telling the consumer to buy a Mac. My wife’s laptop died last month and I had to buy her a new one (with Win 8). Win 8 is the kludgiest piece of crap ever!


3 posted on 04/10/2013 5:49:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

Win8 is not bad if you set it up right. Defaulting to the tiles instead of the desktop was a huge mistake.


4 posted on 04/10/2013 5:53:11 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Bryanw92

Kludgiest?


5 posted on 04/10/2013 5:53:28 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy

“Kludgiest?”

I guess that means klunky and ugly.


6 posted on 04/10/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by Roger_Wildcat
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To: Olog-hai

Countdown until the Microsoft vendors/salesmen find this thread and claim Windows 8 is really great but we are just stupid to realize how brilliant it and Bill Gates are

In 3, 2, 1.....


7 posted on 04/10/2013 5:58:35 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Roger_Wildcat; Impy

A kludge is a program that works by accident, IOW the programmer made it work but doesn’t know why or how it works. Usually the result of making up the code as you go along instead of having a plan.


8 posted on 04/10/2013 5:58:59 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Olog-hai

The irony is that the piece of hardware designed to showcase Win8, the Surface Pro, is a fine piece of machinery whose sales, at least in my personal case, are being hurt by the OS it’s trying to flog. A Surface Pro running iOS, now, that’d be cool, especially with the Microsoft logo on the bottom of the screen...of course, that would probably cause a black hole and suck the earth into it...


9 posted on 04/10/2013 5:59:18 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: qam1

Biggest problem with Windows 8 is that the interface that’s optimized for phones and tablets is also the default for desktop and laptop PCs. I got mine to work like Windows 7 with no help from MS. The only reason I upgraded from 7 was to test my code in the Win8 environment.


10 posted on 04/10/2013 6:01:42 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Billthedrill

As a developer I avoid iOS because of the up-front cost of entry into the market. There are a lot of very robust development tools for Windows and Android that are free.


11 posted on 04/10/2013 6:04:04 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Bryanw92

Three weeks ago I bought a new Sony Vaio laptop. It’s a dream, with Windows 8 and all its bells and whistles and bang for the buck. I brought it home, installed Office, Adobe Suite and such, and zoom. It would not boot up.

I went back to Fry’s and they confirmed it was kludge.

So, I decided on a 15” MacBook Pro. It works like a computer should. It cost more, but I can now rely on my computer.

Buy best; cry once.


12 posted on 04/10/2013 6:04:41 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberal: A person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
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To: Olog-hai
Most of the TECH’s here saw this coming a couple of years ago, with the advent of Tablets, readers, smart phones etc...

I was hoping I would be able to squeeze a few more years out of this PC thing, that started in the 90’s for me. It has been a great ride, and for the most part I enjoyed it.

And now something else has reared it's head that may provide me a few more years of compensation-Old people (half of my customer base) don't want to use (LEARN) Tablets, readers, smart phones etc...they just want to be left alone with their ol Dell Dimension running Win XP, Well I can fix that and make them happy and my solution does not involve Win 8. Yes I'm probably talking about your Auntie, admit it, you cringe when you see the Caller ID!

13 posted on 04/10/2013 6:07:31 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: Squawk 8888

>>Win8 is not bad if you set it up right. Defaulting to the tiles instead of the desktop was a huge mistake.

Exactly. Win 8 is NOT BAD...IF you set it up right. IMO, version 8 of anything should be better than version 7. I’m an IT guy so trust me when I say that I know a little bit about computers. I have her computer set up now to make it productive, but the OS should not default out to a GUI that turns it into a tablet—especially when my tablet is an iPad that is infinitely better than the Win 8 tiles!


14 posted on 04/10/2013 6:09:20 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: corbe

My client base (small business owners) don’t care about the bells & whistles or the OS, they just want something that works. That’s why all my apps are 32-bit and will run on anything XP or later.


15 posted on 04/10/2013 6:10:41 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Squawk 8888

>>A kludge is a program that works by accident, IOW the programmer made it work but doesn’t know why or how it works. Usually the result of making up the code as you go along instead of having a plan.

Not necessarily. A kludgy program is also one that is just a collection of disjointed features that gives it the look and feel of something created by committee. As you said, a program without a plan.


16 posted on 04/10/2013 6:12:03 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Olog-hai

I would surely buy a Mac before getting a Win8 machine.

Win8 is just a sick knockoff of a Mac computer. Love Mac, or hate’em; why not just get the real thing?


17 posted on 04/10/2013 6:12:13 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: qam1

Quite to my surprise my 76 year old sister in law bought a desktop with windows 8 and likes it. She had an older machine using 7 that died. I had suggested she buy a replacement direct from dell and have it set up with Windows 7 so if she had a problem I could help out.

I have 2 laptops and 2 tablets. I will be replacing the older XP laptop at the end of the year and will consider 8.


18 posted on 04/10/2013 6:12:32 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Olog-hai

Who offers Desktops with Linux?


19 posted on 04/10/2013 6:14:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: corbe

I’m only 59, and I’m already at that point. I have an eMachine running Vista with every bell and whistle turned off. I don’t want a tablet or a smartphone. I use Chrome, Firefox, Diamond Cut Audio Restoration Tools, OpenOffice, and VLC Media Player, Replay AV for podcatching and converting stuff, and that’s it.


20 posted on 04/10/2013 6:15:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Olog-hai
Smart phones. It's all about capabilities and results, not the name on a device. In fact, I expect head's up visor or eyeglass peripherals to take on an expanded role in smart phone video extension...
21 posted on 04/10/2013 6:15:27 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Tainan

Once your hardware is 1080P capable, there’s no real need for faster hardware.


22 posted on 04/10/2013 6:15:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Bryanw92; Squawk 8888
>>A kludge is a program that works by accident, IOW the programmer made it work but doesn’t know why or how it works. Usually the result of making up the code as you go along instead of having a plan.

>Not necessarily. A kludgy program is also one that is just a collection of disjointed features that gives it the look and feel of something created by committee. As you said, a program without a plan.

Not necessarily. A kludge is also a quick and dirty code fix to a bug, or a weird, non-standard (code wise), inelegant addition of a feature demanded by the user(s.) Because that may be the only way to do it.

23 posted on 04/10/2013 6:16:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

>>Not necessarily. A kludge is also a quick and dirty code fix to a bug, or a weird, non-standard (code wise), inelegant addition of a feature demanded by the user(s.) Because that may be the only way to do it.

That’s what I meant by a program created by a committee.


24 posted on 04/10/2013 6:19:25 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: corbe
Like a lot of “Old people” I would be perfectly happy with a device that would give me internet access and e-mail (like the old WebTV did only at computer speed) plus would accommodate my digital camera. I used to like my XP, but when that PC fried I was forced into Windows 7. I got so tired of MS's updates changing things that I shut them off over a year ago.
25 posted on 04/10/2013 6:21:54 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Squawk 8888
Win 7 PRO w/ Virtual Machine loaded, though QUIRKY, gives my small bussiness customers XP Compatability for their OLD Software and better Domain/Security Capabilities.

I miss the ol’ Packard Bells, man I made allot of money back then in Retail Tech Support....

26 posted on 04/10/2013 6:23:28 PM PDT by corbe (mystified)
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To: qam1

“Countdown until the Microsoft vendors/salesmen find this thread and claim Windows 8 is really great but we are just stupid to realize how brilliant it and Bill Gates are”

Sounds like the democrats talking about obamacare


27 posted on 04/10/2013 6:35:18 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: corbe
Old people (half of my customer base) don't want to use (LEARN) Tablets, readers, smart phones etc.

So true. I learned to be proficient with my computer and mouse. Why change something that isn't broke?

Also boomers have already done "spluge"; now they are into "frugile" MS would be wise to come out with a Senior version of Windows 8 that resembled Windows 7... with a Senior discount, of course.

28 posted on 04/10/2013 6:37:24 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: Olog-hai
Dell is now offering a downgrade to Windows 7 on its new systems-that's how horrible Windows 8 has become.

Word is they were inundated with complaints from potential customers who were refusing to buy their new computers if they sold with Windows 8

29 posted on 04/10/2013 6:50:05 PM PDT by Larry381 ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.")
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To: Olog-hai

Is this about hardware and software, or the Obama Depression?


30 posted on 04/10/2013 6:56:40 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: KoRn
Love Mac, or hate’em; why not just get the real thing?

If you hate it, you should just buy it anyway?

What happened to the "buy what you like" mantra?

31 posted on 04/10/2013 6:59:57 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Paladin2

Independent vendors do, or you can by a barebones kit and install it yourself.


32 posted on 04/10/2013 7:17:14 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Larry381
Dell is now offering a downgrade to Windows 7 on its new systems-that's how horrible Windows 8 has become.

I have Windows 7 on my desktop PC and love it. I made the mistake of mentioning to my brother last year that I was looking at getting a lap top for trips out of town and he bought one as a gift for me last Christmas. It has Windows 8. Horrible, horrible! I never would have bought a computer with Windows 8 if I had a choice, but now I'm stuck.

33 posted on 04/10/2013 7:18:42 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Olog-hai

“Adequacy is sufficient”

Adam Osbourne


34 posted on 04/10/2013 7:39:02 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Loud Mime
So, I decided on a 15” MacBook Pro. It works like a computer should. It cost more, but I can now rely on my computer.

In the end, you're probably still saving money. I got six years out of my iMac before my toddler knocked it off the desk and broke the screen. I could probably fix it if I really wanted to but it is so old I can't upload the latest version of iOS so I'm holding off for a Mac Mini. It was still running strong and virus-free though. MacBooks are the same way. You'll probably have replaced a Windows laptop twice before you need to replace your MacBook.

35 posted on 04/10/2013 7:40:22 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Inyo-Mono; Olog-hai; qam1; Billthedrill; UB355; Larry381
See Windows 8 pro review (upgrade XP to Windows 8 with Classic Shell)

I do not think the problem is W/8 or MS, but that too many people had PCs that do not really need them, or need a better one, as most all they do is surf and email. To write you could even use MS 3.1 with MS Office or 9X with OpenOffice.

36 posted on 04/10/2013 7:44:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Bryanw92

Agree, Win 8 sucks big time. I much prefer a mac.


37 posted on 04/10/2013 7:53:07 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: Paladin2
PC gaming market as well as the graphic artist that need regular upgrades/power/a lot of memory will keep desktops going.

There is a sizable market for graphics cards/monitors that can do 1440p on up plus with multiple monitors.

Nvidia is doing rather well (Of course they have a hold on the mobile market) at the moment with their desktops cards. Once Graphics Cards developers/manufacturers start going south, then you know desktops might go the way of the dodo.
38 posted on 04/10/2013 7:56:42 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Olog-hai

Windows 8...


39 posted on 04/10/2013 8:03:46 PM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Olog-hai

If you don’t like the UI, just install Server Core.


40 posted on 04/10/2013 8:08:54 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Drew68

My MacBook Pro 15 inch was manufactured the 18th week of 2008 (May). Still running strong. Had a very small dim spot on the LCD panel that was replaced under warranty the week before the extended warranty expired. We’ve got a house full of Apple products and they all just work and work and work. Plus everything just works seamlessly as a system...the computers, the tablets, the Apple TV, the Time Machine, the iTunes store, the iPhones, the iPods, etc. If you like your stuff to just plain work the way it should and not crap out, you can’t go wrong with their products.


41 posted on 04/10/2013 9:04:55 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: stars & stripes forever
MS would be wise to come out with a Senior version of Windows 8 that resembled Windows 7

Just install Classic Shell for almost (but not quite) the same effect. It's free even without a Senior Discount.

42 posted on 04/10/2013 10:22:06 PM PDT by TChad (Call them Oppressives, not Progressives.)
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To: Olog-hai

Everybody’s got three of ‘em already....


43 posted on 04/11/2013 3:06:00 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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