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Guerrilla Games: PlayStation 4 Is Not Just a High-End PC.
Xbitlabs ^ | 04/09/2013 11:55 PM | Anton Shilov

Posted on 04/11/2013 12:23:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sony PlayStation 4 Claimed to Have Well-Balanced Architecture

Although the PlayStation 4 was designed to be like a personal computer in a bid to simplify development of video games, it is still a lot different than personal computers, according to game developers who are working on titles for the PS4. As it appears, the difference between custom system and off-the-shelf PC is pretty huge, yet the technical director or Guerrilla Games did not reveal too many details about it.

Michiel Van Der Leeuw, the technical director of Guerrilla Games, which is a studio that belongs to Sony Computer Entertainment and which is currently working on Killzone Shadow Fall title due late this year, claims that there are loads of Sony intellectual property in the architecture of the PlayStation 4 in general and inside the custom AMD Fusion chip in particular. Moreover, the architecture with ultra-fast unified memory architecture can do wonders to games that are developed with this in mind. In addition, there are various AMD’s enhancements that the company calls “heterogeneous system architecture” and which speeds up software designed for both x86 processors and highly-parallel GPUs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: gameconsoles; hitech

1 posted on 04/11/2013 12:23:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ShadowAce
More hits on what they have done to the Special APU.
2 posted on 04/11/2013 12:24:59 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’ll probably get this instead of replacing my trusty old 2006 XP PC I’m using right now. Surf the web and play games, that’s all I use it for anyway.


3 posted on 04/11/2013 12:37:48 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m not sure if I’ll get this, especially at full price. The lack of backward-compatibility is a real sh&t sandwich, done deliberately to make people buy games twice.


4 posted on 04/11/2013 12:39:36 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s not even a high end PC.


5 posted on 04/11/2013 12:51:14 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Viennacon

Backward compatibility is a double edged sword. That is the main reason MS windows is so bloated. They probably couldn’t touch the price point if its that advanced.


6 posted on 04/11/2013 1:13:08 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

High end pc sales are tanking, partly because of Windows 8 and partly because of tablets.
I need a new pc but instead I bought a Samsung 10.1 Tablet, using it at work on my lunch break right now.


7 posted on 04/11/2013 1:15:57 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Durus

The APU is a good solution for the Gaming console, because this means a simpler systemboard and the simpler the board the cheaper the console.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 1:26:33 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

If you’ve ever disassembled a playstation controller you would see that it’s garbage.


9 posted on 04/11/2013 1:43:15 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (0bama is a POS, with all due respect to excrement.)
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To: Durus

It’s definitely worse in some ways, slower cpu and gpu, but better in others. It will have 8GB GDDR5 (even the Nvidia GTX 690 which costs over $1000 only has 4gb). It won’t have the boated overhead of a consumer OS. Overall it should be an amazing package for the price (presumable $399-$499 range), and will rival the performance of PCs that cost 2x-3x as much.


10 posted on 04/11/2013 1:44:54 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop
...and will rival the performance of PCs that cost 2x-3x as much.

AND.... it won't have to be upgraded 5 years after purchase to play the latest and greatest games, like PC's do.

11 posted on 04/11/2013 2:11:58 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Eye of Unk

I think the tanking sales has more to do with the form factor than windows 8. For what most people do a tablet makes more sense.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 2:21:37 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: Viennacon

It won’t make anybody buy a game twice. If you’ve got something playing on your PS3 and you buy a PS4 you keep the PS3. There’s plenty of ways to have multiple systems plugged into your TV. And nobody will be porting games over to the new system. And lack of downward compatibility means lack of albatross, from a development perspective downward compatibility is primarily not fixing old bad decisions.


13 posted on 04/11/2013 2:26:21 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

And there’s nothing really pushing the market anymore. PC technology is no longer growing by leaps and bounds, a 5 year old PC is no longer dramatically slower than a new PC, if your machine was an 11 then it’s probably still a solid 8 now. The more gracefully technology ages the less drive there is to replace it with the new hotness.


14 posted on 04/11/2013 2:30:01 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Viennacon
PS4 is using x86 architecture so backwards compatibility would cost even more $$$ because of the Cell processor in the PS3. Either programmers re-code PS3 titles (Exclusives) or Sony includes the Cell which they of course would not do (Sony has been bleeding money but fortunately they have plenty of assets to sell off).

The PS4 and Nextbox is the PC gamers dream come true. Both consoles are "PC based" and developer friendly. This will usher in the era of better optimization. Its a win-win for both the console player and PC gamer.
15 posted on 04/11/2013 2:38:39 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: discostu


GPU tech is advancing rapidly.


16 posted on 04/11/2013 2:46:32 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I get that its hard to do with the technology, but I was always impressed with the PS2s ability to play games for the PS1.
I do like that they’re now offering PS1 games from the Play Station Store, but they need to expand the library, and there are a lot of PS2 games I’d like them to make available for download with the new console. It makes sense, having PS1 games become available for the PS3, and then have PS2 games become available for the PS4. There are some especially rare games I no longer have and would want to be able to play again.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 2:47:45 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: rollo tomasi

But I can still play brand new games on my 6 year old PC, which is only barely noticeably slower than my 2 year old work PC. And I wasn’t anywhere near top of the line then. Also because PCs are components if I really wanted to jump my PC’s speed I could do it with a new GPU card. Performance per watt really isn’t going to drive the market, that’s a nerd stat that doesn’t have that much to do with what I see on my screen.


18 posted on 04/11/2013 2:56:19 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
The next generation of home consoles (PS4, Nextbox) will lead to a greater need of upgrading PC hardware components to play the latest games.

Like I said, a win-win for PC/Console gamers (With high end PCers getting a graphics/resolution/Frames per second advantage).
19 posted on 04/11/2013 5:25:31 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Viennacon
Sony re-wrote/designed their PS4 towards x86 architecture because programmers (Mostly third party) hated developing for the Cell processor. Sony's first party programing houses received better developer tools which were expensive to buy/"lease" for third party programmers/developers.

By tailoring the PS4 towards PC architecture, the third party crowd are more likely to developed better optimized software and more frequent as well. Unfortunately backwards compatibility needed to take a back seat.
20 posted on 04/11/2013 5:32:41 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: MrShoop
8GB of DDR5 is nice. My desktop is hardly high end anymore and has 2gb of DDR5 (gpu) and 32gbs of DD3. Considering the bandwidth, the memory controllers, etc. A couple year old formerly high end desktop is going to beat the snot out of pretty much any console.

It's price vs. performance where it really shines.

21 posted on 04/11/2013 6:57:17 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: rollo tomasi

No they won’t, the next generation of consoles will have no effect at all on the PC market. Much like how the last 5 generations of consoles had no effect at all on the PC market.

The big difference in the PC sector now is that changes are evolutionary not revolutionary. If you had a top shelf 486 box when the Pentiums hit you were on the clock, within 12 months everything was going to be written for the Pentium and your 486 was going to be useless because it just plain couldn’t run Pentium software. Now worst case scenario you need to turn down the graphics to run on your last gen machine. There’s a lot of fun toys to get out there to make your PC faster, but not having them doesn’t make your PC a brick anymore, which is bad for PC makers since people don’t upgrade as often, but awesome for PC buyers because we no longer have to replace our machines every couple of years.


22 posted on 04/12/2013 8:16:27 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
"No they won’t, the next generation of consoles will have no effect at all on the PC market. Much like how the last 5 generations of consoles had no effect at all on the PC market."

You are kidding? Unless you have a very high end card already, the PS4/Nextbox will render anything under a GTX 480 or ATI Radeon 5850 useless and even those cards will struggle at 1080p with next gen console ports. Also I an talking tech, not sales. PC sales are growing along with the tech.
23 posted on 04/12/2013 1:21:07 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

No it won’t. Because the software will be different. That which is written for the PS4 might be ported to the PC but it it won’t be the same code, won’t drive through the same hardware. I’m talking sales, because that’s the discussion. PC sales are dropping, a large part of why they’re dropping is that the tech isn’t changing fast enough to force replacement as rapidly. 4 and 5 year old PCs will be able to run PC ports of PS4 games.


24 posted on 04/12/2013 4:10:08 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
PC sales Pre-built PC sales are dropping, a large part of why they’re dropping is that the tech isn’t changing fast enough to force replacement as rapidly a large part because people buy tablets or smart phones to check e-mails, people retaining desktops longer to surf the web, and individuals opting for expensive gaming laptops.

As far as software goes Crysis 3 (Borderline Next gen game) minumum requirements:

•CPU: 2.8 GHz dual core processor, Intel Core 2 Duo or AMD Phenom X2 or better

•RAM: 2GB

•Graphics: DirectX 10 graphics card with 1 GB RAM, Nvidia 400-series or AMD Radeon 5000-series.

•Operating system: Windows Vista

•DirectX 9c sound card

•16 GB free hard drive space


25 posted on 04/12/2013 5:50:33 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

No, PC sales are dropping, not some sub category, the WHOLE THING. Have been for a while. And it’s not tablets, it’s lack of need, the tech is no longer growing fast. Your own specs prove that. My 6 year old machine that I upgraded a few years ago can run Crysis 3, the newest piece of kit on that list is a THREE YEAR OLD video card. People quite simply do not need to upgrade as quickly anymore, you just showed exactly why, a base 6 year old PC that’s had a hundred dollar upgrade in the last 3 years can run the newest hottest game on the market. The 4 years and your PC is junk era is over.


26 posted on 04/13/2013 8:03:04 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
I think the tanking sales has more to do with the form factor than windows 8. For what most people do a tablet makes more sense.

You're messing with the Apple fanboy propaganda campaign.

27 posted on 04/13/2013 8:09:30 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: discostu
"No, PC sales are dropping, not some sub category, the WHOLE THING."

LOL

The report points out that China is the fastest-growing and largest market for PC games with nearly $7 billion of revenue. Not only does China have a rapidly-growing economy, the console market is non-existent there, giving rise to PC as the dominant platform.

There are over one billion PC gamers in the world now, and DFC expects the industry to grow to $25.7 billion by 2016. As Matt Ployhar, PCGA president pointed out at a press conference yesterday, "you need to add three consoles to get close to that figure."


http://www.shacknews.com/article/78421/report-pc-gaming-software-sales-reached-20-billion-in-2012#

Also, digital sales are not tracked like box stores. Steam (Valve), GOG, Origin,Amazon,etc... are growing in digital sales.
28 posted on 04/14/2013 8:43:26 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: discostu
Whoops, forgot to add that software will drive the hardware, especially with the next-gen consoles arrival.
29 posted on 04/14/2013 8:48:10 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Now you’re desperately sliding around the point. PC sales are down, PERIOD. China MIGHT cause a bounce but that’s the future, and you have to deal with the fact that China’s economy is built on knockoffs so even if they do start buying lots of PCs they probably won’t be name brand PCs or have name brand parts in them.

I didn’t say anything about the sale of software. That’s a red herring. The software market is fine, really even the PC market is fine. A lot of industries would love to have a sales slump that results in 300 million sales a year.

And no actually the HARDWARE drives the hardware market. Software gets made to run on the hardware companies have a reasonable expectation of their customers owning. If that hardware is compatible with the previous generation of hardware (evolutionary not revolutionary) then that’s a wider range of compatibility, and less reasons to upgrade. But the software is written for the hardware. And again the example you provided shows it. Crysis 3 is the big hot new game that runs on 6 year old CPUs supplemented with 3 year old video cards. They wrote it for the hardware their customers have, and their customers are living in the world where the hardware is no longer leaping forward and making itself obsolete every 3 or 4 years.


30 posted on 04/14/2013 11:27:56 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
Of course they are down (79 million PCs last quarter lol, but trending lower). Upgrading your hardware is not essential for surfing the web, checking emails, and creating word docs/powerpoint presentation. Heck, editing video does not require upgrades every 3-4 years.

However, the desktop is not going away because of MILLIONS who are gamers/graphic design artist/programmers that need upgrading (Which is occurring rapidly, look at Nvidia tech plus DDR4 later this year). Dell, Gateway, Windows and other manufactures will "suffer" but custom built desktops are thriving.
31 posted on 04/15/2013 4:28:34 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

Upgrading your hardware is no longer essential even for gaming, traditionally the thing that drives high-end PC sales. Again look at your own example, 6 year old desktop that’s been upgraded with a 3 year old video card can run the hot new hardware pushing game. I remember back in the glory days of Lucas Arts you pretty much couldn’t run their games if your hardware was more than a year old. But back then the hardware power was jumping exponentially, 3 year old hardware was dramatically less powerful than brand new hardware. Those days are gone, and with them the need for constant major upgrades, and thus the lower sales. The more gracefully something ages the less need there is for replacement, the fewer new units sold.

I never said desktops are going away, I rebel against the forecasters on that. Largely because the larger form factor will always allow the buyer to get more power for the dollar than a smaller form factor. Shrinking is expensive, just look at how much desktop PC you can get for the price of even the low level iPad.


32 posted on 04/16/2013 8:38:24 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
Of course PC gaming requirements are still low end (Mid to highend if you want above 1080p and 60fsp), the PS3 and Xbox 360 are 6-7 years old.

Did you read the MINIMUM requirements for Crysis 3? Once nextgen consoles come out, requirements are only going to get more demanding. That is why for the PC gamer community, new consoles that use mid-range/high current tech is a welcome change from 7 year old consoles.
33 posted on 04/16/2013 10:13:40 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

No PC gamer requirements are high end. But the gap between high end and low end isn’t as large because the envelop doesn’t push as fast as it used to. The punchline at this point is that there really is no low end, if you buy a new PC today you have to go out of your way to buy a machine that can’t run the hot new game.

I read the requirements just fine. And I’ve been in the industry long enough to understand what they mean. In the 90s the hot new high graphics video game would NEVER list a 3 year old video card as their minimum requirement. The games AREN’T demanding, that’s the simple obvious point I’ve been telling you for a week now and you just don’t want to believe.

It’s been nice but we’re done. I’ve explained it to you over and over and you just keep insisting, meanwhile your own very evidence proves me right. Have fun out there.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 10:28:49 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
"I’ve explained it to you over and over and you just keep insisting, meanwhile your own very evidence proves me right."

Lol, "gee look at all that advancing architecture you ignored" that you say has stalled (Tech). Try running Crysis 3 not just on a lower end graphics card but cpu as well.



You do realize that Nextgen consoles, plus engines like newest Frostbite will require upgrades to 64 bit which automatically convolute your arguments.

At least admit that current computer tech gas a huge jump above nextgen consoles, which is a first and shows how rapidly comp. tech is advancing.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 11:50:07 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I didn’t say it stalled, now you’ve advanced to lying. We’re done. Bye.


36 posted on 04/16/2013 12:05:10 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
And there’s nothing really pushing the market anymore. PC technology is no longer growing by leaps and bounds, a 5 year old PC is no longer dramatically slower than a new PC, if your machine was an 11 then it’s probably still a solid 8 now. The more gracefully technology ages the less drive there is to replace it with the new hotness.

If there is nothing, then what property is the current trend? Stalled, slowing down, or rapidly advancing, which is it? It definitely is not the first two from Nvidia's chart/advancements/profit. Hell, just looking at advancement/lower price point of hardware in FLOPS the last 3 years proves the first two wrong.
37 posted on 04/16/2013 12:15:47 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I already told you multiple times what it is but you can’t be bothered to actually read what I wrote. Really, we’re done, I’m not reading any more of your replies, do us both a favor and don’t bother to make it. I’ve shown why you’re wrong, YOU’VE shown why you’re wrong. BYE.


38 posted on 04/16/2013 12:19:44 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: discostu
What you wrote concerns a casual PC user and that I agree. However the gaming market is growing and games demands will/are advancing which pushes the tech, especially with nextgen consoles coming out.

Sandy Bridge, Ivy “”, and Haswell, etc... plus next gen AMD/Nvidia (Kepler) that will be needed to for millions to play multiplats in 1080p, 1440p, DDR4 etc with +60fps, then include 64 bit OS to boot. The tech is advancing tremendously especially for gaming/smaller components/tablets/phones.

39 posted on 04/16/2013 4:15:40 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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