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"Buying a gun online"?
4/12/13

Posted on 04/12/2013 6:46:38 AM PDT by pabianice

Every TV network is talking about "the loophole that allows anyone to buy a firearm online." Huh? To the best of my knowledge only an FFL can buy or sell a firearm across state lines, and even then, not online. The buyer has to supply a copy of his FFL with the order.

Is there such a thing as "buying a gun over the internet" or is this just another case of media corruption?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; loophole; online; secondamendment

1 posted on 04/12/2013 6:46:38 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Sites like Gunbroker let you buy online and they send it to an FFL dealer of your choice to complete the purchase process.


2 posted on 04/12/2013 6:48:03 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: pabianice

This is another lie.


3 posted on 04/12/2013 6:48:10 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: pabianice

It is another hype like the “gunshow loophole”. If you purchase a gun over the Internet you must go through a FFL dealer if it crosses a state line.


4 posted on 04/12/2013 6:49:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The founding fathers didn't form this country by compromising.)
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To: pabianice

The law is even more restrictive than that.

You can not ship your own gun, purchased through a dealer and with the background check, back to the manufacturer for warranty and then receive it when warranty is completed, without both shipments going through a licensed firearms dealer.


5 posted on 04/12/2013 6:50:36 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: pabianice
or is this just another case of media corruption?
Media corruption.
6 posted on 04/12/2013 6:51:34 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: old curmudgeon

So disappointing to every day see Fox talking about “buying a gun over the internet.” They should know better.


7 posted on 04/12/2013 6:54:05 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Yes, you can buy/pay online, but you can’t accept delivery except through a FFL dealer. So this is a half-truth.


8 posted on 04/12/2013 6:54:42 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: pabianice

This would ban internet coordination of personal sales.

For instance, if you want to advertise on-line for the local sale of your firearm, that transaction would have to go through an FFL.

You couldn’t just meet and conduct the transaction.

I wouldn’t do it, just for personal safety....but it’s none of the guv’s bidness.


9 posted on 04/12/2013 6:55:01 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: old curmudgeon

The way I read it,you can’t do a private face to face sale, either, after advertising the firearm on the internet for sale. Without going through an FFL.


10 posted on 04/12/2013 6:55:26 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: pabianice
Is there such a thing as "buying a gun over the internet" or is this just another case of media corruption?

You have to ask???!?

Yes, you can buy a gun online. No, you cannot take possession of it until you complete a background check with an FFL.

Of COURSE the media lies. It's ALL they do, any more.

11 posted on 04/12/2013 6:55:54 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: pabianice

To put simply, there is no such thing as a ‘gun show loophole’ or ‘internet loophole’. If you buy a gun from a dealer at either of these, you still have to go through a standard background check. When you buy online, all you are doing is starting a transfer process to send the firearm to a FFL who then will have you complete the background check.

To repeat. They are lying!


12 posted on 04/12/2013 6:57:06 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: old curmudgeon
You can not ship your own gun, purchased through a dealer and with the background check, back to the manufacturer for warranty and then receive it when warranty is completed, without both shipments going through a licensed firearms dealer.

Actually you can and I recently did just that. My wife's Beretta NEOS needed some work due to a recall. We printed out a UPS label provided by Beretta and a UPS driver came to the house and picked it up. When the work was complete, UPS shipped it back. Of course my wife had to be there to pick it up.

13 posted on 04/12/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by 109ACS (If this be Treason, then make the most of it. Patrick Henry, May 1765)
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To: pabianice

It’s the BIG LIE
Anyone surprised ?


14 posted on 04/12/2013 6:59:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: old curmudgeon
Maybe in some proposed law, but not today. A citizen can ship his firearm back to the manufacture for repairs and have it returned without the involvement of FFL dealers.

Please get your facts straight before posting on forums such as this.

15 posted on 04/12/2013 6:59:05 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: pabianice

I can only speak for my state, NC, but if it is a long gun and the seller and buyer are from NC, no FFL is required. So if you win an auction in NC, then the private seller can send the long gun directly to you. Also, there is a website called ARMSLIST that is an online bulletin board; which allows you to list your weapon and the buyer calls the seller and makes a deal. Usually in ARMSLIST, you buy locally, so you conduct a private sale. From my understanding of the senate bill, just the fact that you post a listing offering to sell, then it has to go through an FFL. Additionally, we know that this is the first step on a slippery slope.


16 posted on 04/12/2013 6:59:15 AM PDT by fini
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To: pabianice

This whole line of defending the Dems’ gun-grabbing is specifically aimed at Americans who don’t know anything about guns and have never purchased a gun. The only way your can buy a gun without a background check is from a private individual, face to face, and you both live in the same state. Nobody is going to mail you a gun. It MUST be mailed to a federally licensed gun dealer. (You can buy some specific parts through the mail but that’s because they’re not considered a firearm.) Nobody at a gun show is going to sell you a gun without a background check. Your sale isn’t worth losing their license, their entire business and spending time in the federal slammer!


17 posted on 04/12/2013 7:01:37 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: pabianice

Another lie. More propaganda.

You cannot ship a gun to a residence unless the resider has a FFL and has filled out the proper paperwork.

You can only ship to FFL dealers.

Any legit company (Gander Mountaing for example)is not going to risk their license to ship anyone a gun.


18 posted on 04/12/2013 7:02:24 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: pabianice

Add to that... the FFL dealer must fax approp paperwork to the selling company before the seller will ship.


19 posted on 04/12/2013 7:03:42 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: 7thson

> This is another lie.

To promote their own lie. They’re just trying to make it appear anyone can buy a gun online without a background check to get the liberal knee jerk reaction they want. This administration spews propaganda mind attacks out to the masses on a daily basis. If only they would work so hard to manage their own budget instead of trying to find more ways to pry money from our hands with the same urgency.


20 posted on 04/12/2013 7:05:16 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: envisio

My wife and I had a website like Gander Mountain which would let us sell and ship firearms without an FFL.

There were only 3 -4 states to which we could not ship.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 7:09:08 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: fini

Yep, I am from NC too. There is no such thing as a ‘registered’ gun here. You don’t have to show where you bought it.

But..... the law reads... its illegal to buy a pistol under such and such circumstances. You must have a permit or a CCW to buy a pistol.

After the fact... the gun is yours. Its nobody’s business where you got it from (including the government) as long as it has not been reported stolen. Since private individuals are not FFL dealers, they do not keep records of permits for buyers. So the law says nothing about selling... only buying.

But everytime I buy from a individual I have the gun ran through the system to make sure its not stolen. Thats just a given.


22 posted on 04/12/2013 7:10:11 AM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!!)
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To: pabianice

You can purchase online, but the firearm must be picked up in person at an FFL. Thus, you have to go to the seller, or have the firearm shipped to an FFL for a transfer.

There is no loophole.


23 posted on 04/12/2013 7:18:07 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: old curmudgeon
You can not ship your own gun, purchased through a dealer and with the background check, back to the manufacturer for warranty and then receive it when warranty is completed, without both shipments going through a licensed firearms dealer.

Yet another unconstitutional infringement. An invalid law that must be challenged, along with all the others, up to the supremes.

24 posted on 04/12/2013 7:19:20 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

I have been corrected.

You can if you are very careful.


25 posted on 04/12/2013 7:28:06 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: pabianice

Could have sworn I heard a reference to this bs on Fox’s show The Following, where the FBI was grilling a guy who they suspected was selling weapons to a militia group called Freedom 13. This is a group the show had earlier called “constitutionalists.” Bad guys, of course.


26 posted on 04/12/2013 7:37:02 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: pabianice

This”LoopHole”business has got be exposed for The BIG LIE that it is!I have bought firearms”online”.The firearm is then sent to my local dealer(FFL),and I go through the exact same procedures that I would if I had purchased the same firearm through him.It’s the same with”GunShows”!!There are NO”LoopHoles”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 04/12/2013 7:40:02 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Kirkwood

I know someone who bought a nice Garand through CMP over the internet and it was delivered to THEIR door by UPS!However, they lost it when the canoe tipped over.


28 posted on 04/12/2013 7:40:52 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: BipolarBob

All the internet weapons sites are required to ship the gun to an FFL dealer and then you pick it up there and get a background check. I just bought a gun from Impact.com and picked it up at my gun shop.

The Toomey Manchin bill uses a reiteration of laws already in effect to disguise a few new things like allowing a shrink to put you on the NICS no shoot list without even informing you.

It also requires a background check for private sales at gun shows. Just creeping gun control. They are getting what they can this year and will try to finally outlaw all private sales next time when they try to bring in gun registration. It will never end until we finally have the 1776 solution.


29 posted on 04/12/2013 7:59:21 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Uh, when was this law in place?

Few years ago I shipped my Walther PPK/S to S&W for repair using UPS, and S&W returned it to my UPS - if I remember correctly......

Sold it after it was fixed.


30 posted on 04/12/2013 8:00:33 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: pabianice

At least we can still buy muzzleloader/black powder weapons on-line without a FFL.
Luckily there ain’t no semi-auto black powder weapons.


31 posted on 04/12/2013 8:03:19 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: old curmudgeon

??? You don’t mean for repair do you? I sent my Blackhawk back to Ruger for an extra cylinder. Costs a lot, but FEDEX does it.


32 posted on 04/12/2013 8:05:52 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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33 posted on 04/12/2013 8:08:29 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: pabianice

As others have said, it’s a lie or at best a half truth. Any out of state online firearm purchase must go through a FFL dealer and there will be a background check. Guns bought through an internet ad from a private seller in the same state and paid for and collected face to face do not require a background check. At least that’s the way it is in Florida. This is the same as selling a TV or car on Craigslist. One private individual is selling his personal property to another private individual. This should be none of the governments business.


34 posted on 04/12/2013 8:54:08 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: pabianice

It’s gross ignorance, akin to thinking meat bought at a store is “humane” because it is shrink-wrapped and on a shelf instead of shot by a hunter. (Someone have that picture I’m referring to?)

They don’t understand that “buying guns on the Internet” is two sales: one from individual seller to licensed dealer, then licensed dealer to end buyer.


35 posted on 04/12/2013 9:02:38 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: BipolarBob

I just bought a gun online over the weekend. It arrives today at my FFL...and I have to go in and do all the paperwork as if it was a normal sale. The media is lying about how this process works.


36 posted on 04/12/2013 9:12:45 AM PDT by RoadieFan
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To: mnehring

Look at Post #16

http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/north-carolina


37 posted on 04/12/2013 8:42:39 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( There's Two Choices. Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered.)
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