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GM says diesel Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 mpg
Associated Press ^ | Apr 18, 2013 12:13 AM EDT

Posted on 04/18/2013 2:25:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai

General Motors Co. says the new diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 miles per gallon on the highway, making it more efficient than some hybrids. …

It starts at $25,695. That’s $7,755 more than the base price on a gas-powered Cruze. …

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1 posted on 04/18/2013 2:25:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If you didn’t have to pay for Union political donations and corruption it would cost $3000 less than it does at least


2 posted on 04/18/2013 2:29:09 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

Not to mention the Jetta is $3K cheaper.


3 posted on 04/18/2013 2:33:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

30 years ago I used to drive a 12 ton International 466 diesel truck that get the same mileage as my 327 Chevy, and have wondered for a long time why diesels were not more prevalent. I also think diesel-electric would be feasible for SUVs etc. for superior MPG.


4 posted on 04/18/2013 2:44:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t care if the Cruze gets 3,000 mpg. I will not under any circumstances buy a GM product, new or used, ever again. After the corrupt bailout, that company is dead to me. Even if GM is the only company with something I really want, I’ll wait until VW, Toyota, or Honda has a similar product, and I’ll willingly pay more rather than support GM.


5 posted on 04/18/2013 2:44:52 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Olog-hai

Won’t buy anything from GM as it helps Obama.
One third of the new purchase price goes to buy Viagra for UAW members. (They’re the world’s largest purchaser of the drug as they get it free on their Insurance.)
My VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen will beat the wheels off any GM econobox for drivability and acceleration.
The VW was $28,000 the Chevy Cruse is $24,000 base with $8,000 for the diesel so; $32,000.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Cruze/
The resale on the VW (any VW) will beat the Cruse (or any Chevy.)
The $4000 difference in price buys you 1,000 gallons of the fuel of your choice. That’s 39,000 miles on my average 39 mpg.
Can somebody explain why I’d want to buy a Chevy?


6 posted on 04/18/2013 2:49:04 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Olog-hai

GM doesn’t really know HOW to build light vehicle Diesels. Their record on this goes back to trying to convert the big-block V8’s to Diesel, a bad job of engineering to start with. The most experienced of all automobile Diesel manufacturers, Mercedes, started with a clean drawing board when they designed their first Diesel-fueled engines, and built them from the inside out to withstand the additional demands of the Diesel combustion cycle.

There was a 1.8 liter four that was produced back in the early 1950’s, widely used in taxis all around the world, that had impressive records for durability, often racking up a million kilometers of more, without major engine overhaul. The Mercedes four-cylinder Diesel had an exhaust note that was unique in all the world, and while it was probably a low performer in terms of acceleration or top speed, it could run all day with seemingly no signs of strain, and make impressive mileage under most conditions, whether sitting idling in traffic, or out on the highway. On the minus side, it did stink, and had a tendency to coat the back of the vehicle with soot. Both these objections have been met in recent years with the improvements made in the Diesel fuel available, and with the application of urea injection, and the relatively leisurely throttle response has been much improved with the addition of turbocharger boost.

But don’t rely on GM to take advantage of all this newer engineering. Their engineers still have a hate for Diesel that is almost palpable.


7 posted on 04/18/2013 2:55:06 AM PDT by alloysteel (Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new.)
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To: Olog-hai

I hope they are better now than they were back in the 80s.


8 posted on 04/18/2013 2:57:31 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: alloysteel

That’s why they can’t compete anymore.

And to think they were the founder of Detroit Diesel, too; they could have developed a diesel for passenger cars if not for that bizarre aforementioned corporate culture. That division was sold off to Daimler AG (Mercedes-Benz) back in 2000.


9 posted on 04/18/2013 3:12:13 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Volkswagen Introduced 261 MPG Diesel/Electric Hybrid

The XSL-1 is not exactly a powerhouse. It reportedly has a top speed of just 99 mph, and in all-electric mode, it can manage just 50 mph. Acceleration is fairly poor: Going 0 to 60 takes 11.5 seconds. But with its batteries fully charged and 2.6-gallon gas tank loaded, it has a range of 700 miles. Not bad for about $10 of gas.

And now for the bad news. Hand-built in Osnabrück, Austria, the Volkswagen XL-1 is expected to have a production run of just 1,000 units and sell for about $50,000 each. (Most customers are expected to lease, not buy, the car.) And it’s not expected to ever be available in the United States. In fact, Volkswagen expects virtually all XL-1 sales to be limited to Germany and Austria. http://news.wyotech.edu/post/2013/03/volkswagen-introduced-261-mpg-diesel-electric-hybrid


110-MPG Jeep Renegade Concept Gets 400 Miles With Diesel-Electric Combo: Detroit Auto Show Preview

The Jeep Renegade Concept is powered by dual 200-kW (268 -hp) electric motors juiced from a lithium-ion battery pack. The Renegade uses one electric motor per axle, a true low range and locking differentials, which, if brought to production, would bring true 4X4 capability to the world alternative fuel vehicles.

Like Chrysler’s ecoVoyager concept, the Renegade’s electric mode has a range of 40 miles. However, utilizing a range extender 1.5-liter 3-cylilnder BLUETEC diesel engine, this Jeep can handle a 400-mile trip. The whole shebang translates into fuel economy as high as 110 mpg. www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/4244409


Bosch is hoping that diesel will reach just a 10 percent North American market share by 2015. Diesel definitely has some advantages, including 30 percent better fuel economy overall, huge driving range (up to 800 miles) and widespread availability (it’s in 52 percent of American gas stations).

Diesels were starting to make a comeback around 2008, but then the economy tanked and fuel prices (of both gasoline and diesel) spiked. Diesel lost a modest price advantage at the pumps, and many clean diesel projects were canceled. The fuel is on an uphill trajectory now: 30 percent of consumers say they’d consider a clean diesel as of August 2011, versus just 13 percent in 2006.

On European cars with a diesel option, such as the VW Jetta and Audi A3, 35 percent of American consumers are now checking the box. Chevrolet is set to offer a diesel option on the Cruze (right) in 2013, and that same year Chrysler will have a common rail diesel in the Jeep Grand Cherokee.

But I don’t expect to see diesels dominate in the American market anytime soon — we’re too set in our ways, and hybrids and EVs have captured more of the public’s attention. Bosch predicts that we might have 3.1 million EVs of all types — hybrids, plug-in-hybrids and battery electrics — being sold annually by 2020. But since the world vehicle market (including trucks) could top 107 million by then, the numbers aren’t huge. In 2020, only 0.9 percent of light vehicles (less than six tons) will be electric cars or plug-in hybrids, and 2.2 percent hybrids, the company says.

You have to contrast that with the bullish projections of the Electrification Coalition, which thinks that 75 percent of all the vehicle miles traveled by 2040 will be “electric miles.” The truth may be somewhere between these two poles. http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/transportation/blogs/forget-electric-vehicles-here-come-the-50-mpg-gas-and-diesel-cars


VW forecasts that a plug-in diesel-electric hybrid system as in the CrossBlue would be rated at 35 mpg in a city/highway mix, and 89 mpg-equivalent in electric mode.

The diesel-electric hybrid concept recalls the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles, a joint venture begun in 1993 between the government and U.S. automakers. It was designed to suspend anti-trust concerns and eliminate red tape for a cooperative effort to create 80-mpg family sedans with mainstream prices.

Never happened. Too expensive.

The only way that car companies could come close to the mileage goal was with diesel-electric hybrid powertrains. But diesels, which get superior mileage, are inherently more costly than gasoline engines. Electric motors, big battery packs and high-tech controllers to make it all work together likewise were — still are — pretty dear.

PNGV was canceled in 2001. The project yielded demonstration vehicles rated 72 to 80 mpg, but they couldn’t be priced right. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/01/14/vw-diesel-electric-hybrid-detroit-show/1828117/


10 posted on 04/18/2013 3:15:28 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Pollster1
"I don’t care if the Cruze gets 3,000 mpg. I will not under any circumstances buy a GM product, new or used, ever again. After the corrupt bailout, that company is dead to me. Even if GM is the only company with something I really want, I’ll wait until VW, Toyota, or Honda has a similar product, and I’ll willingly pay more rather than support GM."

Ditto. They burnt bridges and stole from the senior debt holders under color of law. They and their government partners are corrupt to the core.

11 posted on 04/18/2013 3:16:11 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: daniel1212

My dad’s last logging truck was a 1968 IH with the biggest, most powerful V8 on the road back then. The only thing it couldn’t pass on the road was a gas station or the 1000 gallon gas tank and pump we had at our home.


12 posted on 04/18/2013 3:16:22 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Olog-hai

.... were the founder of Detroit Diesel
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GM owned a majority stake in ISUZU for decades ... ISUZU makes the absolute best small diesel engines... but GM wasted their investment.


13 posted on 04/18/2013 3:21:40 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Olog-hai

Diesel technology is mature, clean and efficient.

Deploying diesel engines is the easy route to reduce our need for imported oil.....far easier than the investments we have made in electric and hybrids.

Now, we just have to convince many states to reduce the taxes on diesel fuel (implemented to punish those evil trucks that deliver all our products).


14 posted on 04/18/2013 3:44:47 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Olog-hai

$7755 buys a lot of gas even at $3.50 a gallon.


15 posted on 04/18/2013 3:56:23 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Olog-hai

I want a Kia Forte.

I drove from Frederick, Maryland to my driveway in NE Ohio on a half a tank of gas in one of those.


16 posted on 04/18/2013 4:02:34 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: Olog-hai

46 mph?


17 posted on 04/18/2013 4:05:11 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Neidermeyer

That was a sad story, for GM more than Isuzu.

Off-topic (due to dearth of automobile diesels), but GM’s failing in its European automobile markets too; Opel is going to close its plant in Bochum, Germany next year (this might give the German government an opening to get Opel away from GM for good).


18 posted on 04/18/2013 4:06:15 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Hardraade
Sure, on all four cylinders.

Chevy’s website is big on boasts when it comes to the “clean turbo diesel” in the Cruze:
It all starts with a 2.0L turbocharged clean diesel engine designed in Italy, built in Germany and installed in the Cruze at our factory in Lordstown, Ohio. The 2014 Cruze Clean Turbo Diesel comes equipped with the very latest clean diesel technology which helps reduce emissions while also boasting 148 horsepower and 258 lb.-ft. of “low-end” torque that you’ll have to experience to believe. …
That MSRP is going to hurt them, no matter if the engine lasts a million miles.
19 posted on 04/18/2013 4:10:09 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Pollster1

After 35yrs of Jeeps, I won’t buy another Chrysler (Daimler) product, or a GM Suburban or GMC Acadia, which I wanted to replace it with.

I’ll just keep my pristine 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, until I can find a Ford SUV I like.


20 posted on 04/18/2013 4:10:22 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: Olog-hai
GM says diesel Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 mpg

And breaks down every 25 miles.

Fooled me once, but never again.

21 posted on 04/18/2013 4:22:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Olog-hai

Nice to see that GM figured out that Diesels do better on mileage. I was wondering when they would complete their research...wondering for most of my lifetime.

Now they just have figure out a way to get the government out of their britches, as well as the unions.


22 posted on 04/18/2013 4:22:41 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: alloysteel

When Detroit Diesel was part of GM, I thought those screaming 2 strokes were super durable motors, but in context of this article, I’m probably comparing oranges to clothes dryers.

Europe seems to have embraced diesels in cars........America not so much.


23 posted on 04/18/2013 4:27:19 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Olog-hai

Cruze Eco gets 42mpg highway and costs a whole lot less.


24 posted on 04/18/2013 4:31:16 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Fai Mao

Just curious

With all of the cuts at GM a few years ago, what is the avg. worker making at GM say compared to a Honda or Toyota worker?

What corruption are you talking about? I have forgotten what recent FBI investigations are being taken against this Union.

What percentage of money does the Union spend on donations compared to dealing with grievances, health & safety etc.?


25 posted on 04/18/2013 4:39:45 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: alloysteel
My stepdad had one of those 379 diesel in a ‘79 or ‘80 Chevy pickup.
It was absolutely worthless...
26 posted on 04/18/2013 4:42:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Olog-hai

Caught some flak for making my daughter get a stick-shift car for her first car. I needed something on the low end of the price scale.

Got her a Hyundai Elantra for a bit over $15k, brand-spankin’ new. It averages 36mpg in town. On a flat-level highway at 60mph (seems to be the sweet-spot), it did 46 to 48mpg when it was brand new. To this day, it will get 40+mpg all day long at 70mph on the interstate. A little less in the mountains; a little more otherwise.

All on the cheapest regular unleaded my daughter can find. I just wish Ford/Dodge/GM could do the same at a similar price-point.


27 posted on 04/18/2013 4:47:03 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: Olog-hai

No shit. Really?

Golly, who has been telling Freepers for years that this could and would be the case when Detroit got their head out of their taxpayer-subsidized plush posteriors?

That would me moi, that’s who.


28 posted on 04/18/2013 5:08:49 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Olog-hai
General Motors Co. says the new diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 miles per gallon on the highway, making it more efficient than some hybrids If GM isn't careful, they're going to cut into their "Volt" sales...
29 posted on 04/18/2013 5:09:25 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Hardraade

46 mpg? My 1980 K car that I drove for 13 years got 41 mpg. It was a 4 speed and needed little maintenance over that time span.


30 posted on 04/18/2013 5:31:02 AM PDT by raisincane (November 6, 2012 - I'm announcing my retirement at work; becoming a taker.)
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To: raisincane

The old VW Rabbit diesels from the 80’s regularily got 50+mpg.


31 posted on 04/18/2013 5:33:01 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: daniel1212
Osnabrück, Austria

????

(Probably the Karman factory in Osnabrück, where VW has some low volume models (mostly convertibles) built. But Austria it isn't.)

32 posted on 04/18/2013 5:35:20 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Olog-hai

With a manual transmission, good driving habits and the A/C turned off, maybe. With an automatic, a normal amount of in-traffic driving and hot days, probably not close.


33 posted on 04/18/2013 6:04:09 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Olog-hai

You can purchase a 70+ MPG VW in Europe (engine manufactured in the USA) but cannot purchase it in the USA.

Why, EPA! Our government once again working against us.

Oh, it must be dirty you say!

Well if you believe the Stasi at the EPA you would be right but like Paul Harvey used to say “and now the rest of the story”

Per gallon, this engine does produce marginally more emissions yet once you factor in how many miles can be driven on the same gallon of fuel SHAZZZZZZAM this engine produces much less pollution and therefore for the life of the car it will produce much less pollution.

But the real agenda is not low pollution it is to cripple our economy and get people out of their private cars and on to public transportation regardless of the human debris you will be forced to stand with.

This is why I want, with every fiber in my body to see thousands of government slugs in handcuffs being perp marched to prison. People who can abuse the power of government against us should not live free.


34 posted on 04/18/2013 6:16:53 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Good one. Reminds me of my dad’s old Ford with a 390 engine which burned a quart of oil every 20 miles. But it ran good, and so as this was the 70’s, and my dad was thrifty, he bought a barrel of oil at 0.20 a quart. My job was to put 2 qts in every day after he came home from the 40 mile round trip to the shipyard and back.

Meanwhile, a brother in Christ has a 92 Toyota Tercel standard, with no power brakes, steering, etc. and it get 40 mpg.


35 posted on 04/18/2013 6:26:48 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: umgud

Or close to it. So why is this Cruze remarkable?


36 posted on 04/18/2013 6:29:04 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: umgud

“The old VW Rabbit diesels from the 80’s regularily got 50+mpg.”

My uncle had an ‘83 or ‘84 diesel Rabbit that regularly got 45+ mpg. on the highway. And the mid ‘80’s carburated Caprice could get 30 on the highway if you stayed out of the secondaries.


37 posted on 04/18/2013 6:41:44 AM PDT by mulnir
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To: daniel1212
30 years ago I used to drive a 12 ton International 466 diesel truck that get the same mileage as my 327 Chevy, and have wondered for a long time why diesels were not more prevalent. I also think diesel-electric would be feasible for SUVs etc. for superior MPG.

Leftists at the EPA have long hated diesel. I agree with you about diesel-electrics. Works great for trains. I'm surprised none of the hybrids we have today are D-E.

38 posted on 04/18/2013 7:11:06 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Olog-hai
Will it be sold in the US? The last time I checked, the EPA said they weren’t going to allow diesel engines in passenger cars for domestic use, export only. I guess government motors get’s a free pass though.
39 posted on 04/18/2013 7:11:33 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Wurlitzer

It is very well known that EU mpg measurements are far more unrealistic than American standards.

And Europeans are used to size and performance that would be unacceptable to mainstream US buyers.


40 posted on 04/18/2013 7:21:58 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: zeugma
I'm surprised none of the hybrids we have today are D-E.

Me too, esp for large vehicles. Cost is the main issue perhaps. http://www.carsdirect.com/green-cars/the-best-diesel-electric-hybrid-car-a-comparison-guide

41 posted on 04/18/2013 7:26:32 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: jjotto

This car has MUCH higher mileage car is available regardless if you believe the actual number or not. Nice diversion though.

Funny the engine is built here but cannot be used here.

Just one more proof positive this government needs to be re-booted.


42 posted on 04/18/2013 7:58:32 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Olog-hai
46 miles per gallon on the highway, making it more efficient than some hybrids

Comparing inefficiencies of different fuels with different amounts of energy content and only measuring gallons is a false comparison. It is like claiming infinite efficiency because the all electric car doesn't use any gallons directly.

43 posted on 04/18/2013 8:29:21 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: umgud
The old VW Rabbit diesels from the 80’s regularily got 50+mpg.

Definitely. They were light cars that wouldn't come close to meeting today's crash or emission standards.

The USEPA is on a mission to regulate diesels out of existence.

44 posted on 04/18/2013 8:32:56 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Olog-hai
I can truly get 40 MPG highway with my 2013 Hyundai Sonata as long as I don't drive like a maniac. Most do.
45 posted on 04/18/2013 9:05:34 AM PDT by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: Olog-hai

GM and that Fiat company can kiss my butt. I will not buy from them again.


46 posted on 04/18/2013 9:11:38 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Olog-hai

To get an accurate picture one must compare vehicles that are identically equipped except for the engine.


47 posted on 04/18/2013 10:26:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: zeugma

Diesel electric was done largely because of the need to power all the locomotive axles which is relatively simple with multiple electric motors and relatively complex to do mechanically.


48 posted on 04/18/2013 10:30:57 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: umgud

My 1984 Jetta diesel got 55 on the highway and 42 in the city.


49 posted on 04/18/2013 10:34:38 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: ltc8k6

Cruze Eco gets 42mpg highway and costs a whole lot less.
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If you factor in a price premium on diesel fuel of 10% then that 46mpg equals the gas car in cost per mile.


50 posted on 04/18/2013 1:05:52 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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