Skip to comments.GM says diesel Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 mpg
Posted on 04/18/2013 2:25:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
General Motors Co. says the new diesel version of the Chevrolet Cruze gets 46 miles per gallon on the highway, making it more efficient than some hybrids.
It starts at $25,695. Thats $7,755 more than the base price on a gas-powered Cruze.
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If you didn’t have to pay for Union political donations and corruption it would cost $3000 less than it does at least
Not to mention the Jetta is $3K cheaper.
30 years ago I used to drive a 12 ton International 466 diesel truck that get the same mileage as my 327 Chevy, and have wondered for a long time why diesels were not more prevalent. I also think diesel-electric would be feasible for SUVs etc. for superior MPG.
I don’t care if the Cruze gets 3,000 mpg. I will not under any circumstances buy a GM product, new or used, ever again. After the corrupt bailout, that company is dead to me. Even if GM is the only company with something I really want, I’ll wait until VW, Toyota, or Honda has a similar product, and I’ll willingly pay more rather than support GM.
Wont buy anything from GM as it helps Obama.
One third of the new purchase price goes to buy Viagra for UAW members. (Theyre the worlds largest purchaser of the drug as they get it free on their Insurance.)
My VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen will beat the wheels off any GM econobox for drivability and acceleration.
The VW was $28,000 the Chevy Cruse is $24,000 base with $8,000 for the diesel so; $32,000.
The resale on the VW (any VW) will beat the Cruse (or any Chevy.)
The $4000 difference in price buys you 1,000 gallons of the fuel of your choice. Thats 39,000 miles on my average 39 mpg.
Can somebody explain why Id want to buy a Chevy?
GM doesn’t really know HOW to build light vehicle Diesels. Their record on this goes back to trying to convert the big-block V8’s to Diesel, a bad job of engineering to start with. The most experienced of all automobile Diesel manufacturers, Mercedes, started with a clean drawing board when they designed their first Diesel-fueled engines, and built them from the inside out to withstand the additional demands of the Diesel combustion cycle.
There was a 1.8 liter four that was produced back in the early 1950’s, widely used in taxis all around the world, that had impressive records for durability, often racking up a million kilometers of more, without major engine overhaul. The Mercedes four-cylinder Diesel had an exhaust note that was unique in all the world, and while it was probably a low performer in terms of acceleration or top speed, it could run all day with seemingly no signs of strain, and make impressive mileage under most conditions, whether sitting idling in traffic, or out on the highway. On the minus side, it did stink, and had a tendency to coat the back of the vehicle with soot. Both these objections have been met in recent years with the improvements made in the Diesel fuel available, and with the application of urea injection, and the relatively leisurely throttle response has been much improved with the addition of turbocharger boost.
But don’t rely on GM to take advantage of all this newer engineering. Their engineers still have a hate for Diesel that is almost palpable.
I hope they are better now than they were back in the 80s.
That’s why they can’t compete anymore.
And to think they were the founder of Detroit Diesel, too; they could have developed a diesel for passenger cars if not for that bizarre aforementioned corporate culture. That division was sold off to Daimler AG (Mercedes-Benz) back in 2000.
Volkswagen Introduced 261 MPG Diesel/Electric Hybrid
The XSL-1 is not exactly a powerhouse. It reportedly has a top speed of just 99 mph, and in all-electric mode, it can manage just 50 mph. Acceleration is fairly poor: Going 0 to 60 takes 11.5 seconds. But with its batteries fully charged and 2.6-gallon gas tank loaded, it has a range of 700 miles. Not bad for about $10 of gas.
And now for the bad news. Hand-built in Osnabrück, Austria, the Volkswagen XL-1 is expected to have a production run of just 1,000 units and sell for about $50,000 each. (Most customers are expected to lease, not buy, the car.) And its not expected to ever be available in the United States. In fact, Volkswagen expects virtually all XL-1 sales to be limited to Germany and Austria. http://news.wyotech.edu/post/2013/03/volkswagen-introduced-261-mpg-diesel-electric-hybrid
110-MPG Jeep Renegade Concept Gets 400 Miles With Diesel-Electric Combo: Detroit Auto Show Preview
The Jeep Renegade Concept is powered by dual 200-kW (268 -hp) electric motors juiced from a lithium-ion battery pack. The Renegade uses one electric motor per axle, a true low range and locking differentials, which, if brought to production, would bring true 4X4 capability to the world alternative fuel vehicles.
Like Chryslers ecoVoyager concept, the Renegades electric mode has a range of 40 miles. However, utilizing a range extender 1.5-liter 3-cylilnder BLUETEC diesel engine, this Jeep can handle a 400-mile trip. The whole shebang translates into fuel economy as high as 110 mpg. www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/4244409
Bosch is hoping that diesel will reach just a 10 percent North American market share by 2015. Diesel definitely has some advantages, including 30 percent better fuel economy overall, huge driving range (up to 800 miles) and widespread availability (its in 52 percent of American gas stations).
Diesels were starting to make a comeback around 2008, but then the economy tanked and fuel prices (of both gasoline and diesel) spiked. Diesel lost a modest price advantage at the pumps, and many clean diesel projects were canceled. The fuel is on an uphill trajectory now: 30 percent of consumers say theyd consider a clean diesel as of August 2011, versus just 13 percent in 2006.
On European cars with a diesel option, such as the VW Jetta and Audi A3, 35 percent of American consumers are now checking the box. Chevrolet is set to offer a diesel option on the Cruze (right) in 2013, and that same year Chrysler will have a common rail diesel in the Jeep Grand Cherokee.
But I dont expect to see diesels dominate in the American market anytime soon were too set in our ways, and hybrids and EVs have captured more of the publics attention. Bosch predicts that we might have 3.1 million EVs of all types hybrids, plug-in-hybrids and battery electrics being sold annually by 2020. But since the world vehicle market (including trucks) could top 107 million by then, the numbers arent huge. In 2020, only 0.9 percent of light vehicles (less than six tons) will be electric cars or plug-in hybrids, and 2.2 percent hybrids, the company says.
You have to contrast that with the bullish projections of the Electrification Coalition, which thinks that 75 percent of all the vehicle miles traveled by 2040 will be electric miles. The truth may be somewhere between these two poles. http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/transportation/blogs/forget-electric-vehicles-here-come-the-50-mpg-gas-and-diesel-cars
VW forecasts that a plug-in diesel-electric hybrid system as in the CrossBlue would be rated at 35 mpg in a city/highway mix, and 89 mpg-equivalent in electric mode.
The diesel-electric hybrid concept recalls the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles, a joint venture begun in 1993 between the government and U.S. automakers. It was designed to suspend anti-trust concerns and eliminate red tape for a cooperative effort to create 80-mpg family sedans with mainstream prices.
Never happened. Too expensive.
The only way that car companies could come close to the mileage goal was with diesel-electric hybrid powertrains. But diesels, which get superior mileage, are inherently more costly than gasoline engines. Electric motors, big battery packs and high-tech controllers to make it all work together likewise were — still are — pretty dear.
PNGV was canceled in 2001. The project yielded demonstration vehicles rated 72 to 80 mpg, but they couldn’t be priced right. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/01/14/vw-diesel-electric-hybrid-detroit-show/1828117/
Ditto. They burnt bridges and stole from the senior debt holders under color of law. They and their government partners are corrupt to the core.
My dad’s last logging truck was a 1968 IH with the biggest, most powerful V8 on the road back then. The only thing it couldn’t pass on the road was a gas station or the 1000 gallon gas tank and pump we had at our home.
.... were the founder of Detroit Diesel
GM owned a majority stake in ISUZU for decades ... ISUZU makes the absolute best small diesel engines... but GM wasted their investment.
Diesel technology is mature, clean and efficient.
Deploying diesel engines is the easy route to reduce our need for imported oil.....far easier than the investments we have made in electric and hybrids.
Now, we just have to convince many states to reduce the taxes on diesel fuel (implemented to punish those evil trucks that deliver all our products).
$7755 buys a lot of gas even at $3.50 a gallon.
I want a Kia Forte.
I drove from Frederick, Maryland to my driveway in NE Ohio on a half a tank of gas in one of those.
That was a sad story, for GM more than Isuzu.
Off-topic (due to dearth of automobile diesels), but GM’s failing in its European automobile markets too; Opel is going to close its plant in Bochum, Germany next year (this might give the German government an opening to get Opel away from GM for good).
It all starts with a 2.0L turbocharged clean diesel engine designed in Italy, built in Germany and installed in the Cruze at our factory in Lordstown, Ohio. The 2014 Cruze Clean Turbo Diesel comes equipped with the very latest clean diesel technology which helps reduce emissions while also boasting 148 horsepower and 258 lb.-ft. of low-end torque that youll have to experience to believe.That MSRP is going to hurt them, no matter if the engine lasts a million miles.
After 35yrs of Jeeps, I won’t buy another Chrysler (Daimler) product, or a GM Suburban or GMC Acadia, which I wanted to replace it with.
I’ll just keep my pristine 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, until I can find a Ford SUV I like.
And breaks down every 25 miles.
Fooled me once, but never again.
Nice to see that GM figured out that Diesels do better on mileage. I was wondering when they would complete their research...wondering for most of my lifetime.
Now they just have figure out a way to get the government out of their britches, as well as the unions.
When Detroit Diesel was part of GM, I thought those screaming 2 strokes were super durable motors, but in context of this article, I’m probably comparing oranges to clothes dryers.
Europe seems to have embraced diesels in cars........America not so much.
Cruze Eco gets 42mpg highway and costs a whole lot less.
With all of the cuts at GM a few years ago, what is the avg. worker making at GM say compared to a Honda or Toyota worker?
What corruption are you talking about? I have forgotten what recent FBI investigations are being taken against this Union.
What percentage of money does the Union spend on donations compared to dealing with grievances, health & safety etc.?
Caught some flak for making my daughter get a stick-shift car for her first car. I needed something on the low end of the price scale.
Got her a Hyundai Elantra for a bit over $15k, brand-spankin’ new. It averages 36mpg in town. On a flat-level highway at 60mph (seems to be the sweet-spot), it did 46 to 48mpg when it was brand new. To this day, it will get 40+mpg all day long at 70mph on the interstate. A little less in the mountains; a little more otherwise.
All on the cheapest regular unleaded my daughter can find. I just wish Ford/Dodge/GM could do the same at a similar price-point.
No shit. Really?
Golly, who has been telling Freepers for years that this could and would be the case when Detroit got their head out of their taxpayer-subsidized plush posteriors?
That would me moi, that’s who.
46 mpg? My 1980 K car that I drove for 13 years got 41 mpg. It was a 4 speed and needed little maintenance over that time span.
The old VW Rabbit diesels from the 80’s regularily got 50+mpg.
(Probably the Karman factory in Osnabrück, where VW has some low volume models (mostly convertibles) built. But Austria it isn't.)
With a manual transmission, good driving habits and the A/C turned off, maybe. With an automatic, a normal amount of in-traffic driving and hot days, probably not close.
You can purchase a 70+ MPG VW in Europe (engine manufactured in the USA) but cannot purchase it in the USA.
Why, EPA! Our government once again working against us.
Oh, it must be dirty you say!
Well if you believe the Stasi at the EPA you would be right but like Paul Harvey used to say “and now the rest of the story”
Per gallon, this engine does produce marginally more emissions yet once you factor in how many miles can be driven on the same gallon of fuel SHAZZZZZZAM this engine produces much less pollution and therefore for the life of the car it will produce much less pollution.
But the real agenda is not low pollution it is to cripple our economy and get people out of their private cars and on to public transportation regardless of the human debris you will be forced to stand with.
This is why I want, with every fiber in my body to see thousands of government slugs in handcuffs being perp marched to prison. People who can abuse the power of government against us should not live free.
Good one. Reminds me of my dad’s old Ford with a 390 engine which burned a quart of oil every 20 miles. But it ran good, and so as this was the 70’s, and my dad was thrifty, he bought a barrel of oil at 0.20 a quart. My job was to put 2 qts in every day after he came home from the 40 mile round trip to the shipyard and back.
Meanwhile, a brother in Christ has a 92 Toyota Tercel standard, with no power brakes, steering, etc. and it get 40 mpg.
Or close to it. So why is this Cruze remarkable?
“The old VW Rabbit diesels from the 80s regularily got 50+mpg.”
My uncle had an ‘83 or ‘84 diesel Rabbit that regularly got 45+ mpg. on the highway. And the mid ‘80’s carburated Caprice could get 30 on the highway if you stayed out of the secondaries.
Leftists at the EPA have long hated diesel. I agree with you about diesel-electrics. Works great for trains. I'm surprised none of the hybrids we have today are D-E.
It is very well known that EU mpg measurements are far more unrealistic than American standards.
And Europeans are used to size and performance that would be unacceptable to mainstream US buyers.
Me too, esp for large vehicles. Cost is the main issue perhaps. http://www.carsdirect.com/green-cars/the-best-diesel-electric-hybrid-car-a-comparison-guide
This car has MUCH higher mileage car is available regardless if you believe the actual number or not. Nice diversion though.
Funny the engine is built here but cannot be used here.
Just one more proof positive this government needs to be re-booted.
Comparing inefficiencies of different fuels with different amounts of energy content and only measuring gallons is a false comparison. It is like claiming infinite efficiency because the all electric car doesn't use any gallons directly.
Definitely. They were light cars that wouldn't come close to meeting today's crash or emission standards.
The USEPA is on a mission to regulate diesels out of existence.
GM and that Fiat company can kiss my butt. I will not buy from them again.
To get an accurate picture one must compare vehicles that are identically equipped except for the engine.
Diesel electric was done largely because of the need to power all the locomotive axles which is relatively simple with multiple electric motors and relatively complex to do mechanically.
My 1984 Jetta diesel got 55 on the highway and 42 in the city.
Cruze Eco gets 42mpg highway and costs a whole lot less.
If you factor in a price premium on diesel fuel of 10% then that 46mpg equals the gas car in cost per mile.