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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 16, APRIL 19, 2013
Free Republic | April 19, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 04/19/2013 1:07:02 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


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We have a cool 50 degree sunny day in Missouri today-frost warning tonight on the way to freezing temps.

This weekend is predicted to be perfect for outdoor work though. I will be concentrating on patio cleanup which involves lots of leaves and green shoots that the squirrels have been pulling off the trees as well as some leftover fall leaves-more compost for the garbage bag compost experiment.

We have finally received most of the seeds and plants we ordered and have been busy with starting seeds and planting/protecting the plants.

The peanuts I received are only showing a 1O% sprout rate, so I will be exploring non-GMO heirloom seed companies for peanuts. If anyone has a particular company that has peanuts, please let me know. I did a search at Baker's Creek Seeds, and didn't find them.

I did run across this list of companies late last night that I thought someone else might also be interested in exploring.

http://www.safelawns.org/blog/2011/02/growing-your-own-veggies-only-use-these-companies/

Hope all is going well with all of you. Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 04/19/2013 1:07:02 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list.


2 posted on 04/19/2013 1:11:44 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Sign me up! I love gardening but as I grow older, my patience with insects and weeds grows thin.


3 posted on 04/19/2013 1:12:39 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: greeneyes

Nearly five inches of rain scraped some of the gravel away from the blacktop on our downhill driveway. Some of the asphalt is undercut.
I’ll be working on this repair this weekend.


4 posted on 04/19/2013 1:13:43 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: greeneyes

Look at Southern Exposure Seed Exchange:

http://www.southernexposure.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=peanuts

I’m going to order the ‘Georganic’ because they’re supposedly more disease resistant than the traditional heirlooms but aren’t GMO.

This might be a good one too, supposedly more cold tolerant and earlier than most peanuts :

http://jandlgardens.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=242

Haven’t grown either variety and haven’t done business with the last company but they’re supposedly OK according to ‘Tomatovillians’.


5 posted on 04/19/2013 1:14:36 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes

We have a tornado watch until 10 p.m.!


6 posted on 04/19/2013 1:18:56 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: NYer

Will do. Patience wears thin for me too lately. Fortunately, I don’t have many weeds to deal with. I use raised beds and plant the plants very close together, so the weeds can’t grow.

I will put you on the list - I only ping once a week(Friday afternoon), but the thread keeps going till the next Friday.


7 posted on 04/19/2013 1:23:19 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Got another 9” of snow this week, but not before last week’s single-storm & April-total records setter was gone.

It was sort of dry just long enough to see a couple of garlic coming up, before everything was buried again. More rain & snow in the forecast until Tuesday.

On the positive side, we are no longer in the Exceptional Drought status, but on the border line between Moderate Drought * Abnormally Dry. More rain & snow in the forecast until Tuesday.


8 posted on 04/19/2013 1:25:31 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Oh yeh, I forgot to mention the gusher we got this past week. Torrential downpour, flash floods, all day and all night. We didn’t have any damage though.

Hubby was wishing he had got busy with getting the swimming pool up. The rain came so fast the guttering was over run too.


9 posted on 04/19/2013 1:25:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks so much for the links. I’ll try them for sure.


10 posted on 04/19/2013 1:26:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Well, the reduction in drought classification must be the silver lining in the rain clouds.LOL


11 posted on 04/19/2013 1:28:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
The blast of rain blew off one of the gutters on our rental cabin. Everything inside was dry but the tube will need mending...
Our radishes are getting near the point of thinning but I'll skip that chore till next week. Looks like no asparagus this year. Can't figure that out.
12 posted on 04/19/2013 1:38:57 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: MissMagnolia

I hate when that happens, and it does happen often around here. In fact, the surrounding towns call us Tornado Alley, because we have had so many tornadoes that have hit somewhere in town. Shopping centers, Schools etc.


13 posted on 04/19/2013 1:40:37 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We actually lived in our house for 35 years before we put guttering in, and never had a problem with indoor dampness. Of course Hubby built our house, and he made sure to it all just right.

Our interest in gutters was to be able to channel the water better for rain collection.

I am glad you had no water damage indoors.


14 posted on 04/19/2013 1:48:12 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper

Johnny is growing peanuts, maybe he has a good place to get them.

The cherry tomato plant I put in a bag of potting soil to grow is almost twice as tall as the one in a pot and the truck is twice as thick as the pot one. It is growing on steriods. The cherry tomatoes on it are twice as large as the ones on the pot one.

Wellll, I’m planting whether the seeds come up or not. See, I can’t imagine a plant growing from a small seed. If any of these seeds grow, I’ll change my mind that it works and I can do it.

The seeds I have planted in the ground in the places where the rose plants died and that I have planted in a planter attached to a brick wall and two long planters on the ground are marked by an “x”. The rest, except the strawberries, will be in the ground in another week for sure. Directions said to freeze the strawberry seeds for three weeks before planting to get a larger number to grow, so I’m doing that.
All are heirloom:
Lemon Basil
x Leaf Celery
x Wild Galapagos Tomato - plant later today
x Romanian Sweet Pepper
x Black-Seeded Simpson Lettuce
x Kentucky Wonder Bean (Brown)
x Zappallo de Tronco Squash - plant later today
x Evergreen Bunching Onion
Alpine Strawberry ‘Ruegen’ – in freezer another two weeks
Borettana - Cipolini Italian Onion
Armenian Pale Green Cucumber
Jalapeno M Pepper
Little Finger Carrot


15 posted on 04/19/2013 1:50:15 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

truck = trunk


16 posted on 04/19/2013 1:52:08 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: greeneyes

Does anyone here have chickens in the city? We’re chicken owners for the first time and am confused about the best options for what to put down in the coop and the best way to keep it clean. I’d love any and all opinions to confuse me even more. :o)


17 posted on 04/19/2013 1:53:18 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: greeneyes
A little cool in NTex right now, but I did get my earthboxes for my veggies ready to go. It helps to get the dolomite and fertilizer in a bit early to begin leaching into the growing media.

The earthbox juniors that I grow the herbs have been planted. They are small tha I can bring them inside if we are expecting a late frost.

18 posted on 04/19/2013 1:57:08 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Marcella

That’s a great list - pretty ambitious for a beginning. Great Job!

I just got some tomato plants and the seedlings are still not ready to transplant, plus we seem to be having an extended cold period ie: late spring. I’ll for sure be using the bag method for some of them, since you are having great success that way.


19 posted on 04/19/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

First strawberry blossom popped up! Yay!


20 posted on 04/19/2013 2:02:10 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (I must b e all here, because everyone keeps telling me I'm not all there.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Uh oh. Prayers up!


21 posted on 04/19/2013 2:03:13 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (I must b e all here, because everyone keeps telling me I'm not all there.)
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To: samiam1972

I have been doing some research on that, but I am only so far as looking at the zoning laws. I did run across a website that might be useful:

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Sustainable-Farming/Raising-Backyard-Chickens.aspx#axzz2QOf2q1pt

http://thecitychicken.com/hhotm.html

The city chickens has lots more info for beginners.


22 posted on 04/19/2013 2:05:54 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Where did you get earthbox juniors? I hadv’t seen or heard of them before.


23 posted on 04/19/2013 2:07:52 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Silentgypsy

That’s exciting. Hubby just finished planting 50 Ozark Beauties. We are still waiting on the other kind.

I hate that we have to pick off the blooms this year according to the directions.


24 posted on 04/19/2013 2:10:14 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
I buy all my earthbox stuff from www.earthbox.com. I am still relatively new to this type of gardening, so up to this point I have bought everything from them and doing things by the book.

The junior is basically half the size of the standard unit. I plant herbs in them since many of those are cooler weather plants and I can bring them inside in the heat of summer. I also use their automatic watering system on the standard boxes.

From this point on, I am looking into getting my planting media (these are soil-less if you didn't know), fertilizer and dolomite (calcium/magnesium) locally from now on. They publish a list of approved products.

25 posted on 04/19/2013 2:20:25 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: greeneyes

Way to much rain for one week in Central Missouri made a terrible mess of things all over the place. On the bright side, I have seedlings peeking out of the soil in my garden. Hope to find time over the weekend to beat the woods for some wild morels.


26 posted on 04/19/2013 2:29:15 PM PDT by Augie
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To: 5thGenTexan

Ok, thanks for the link.


27 posted on 04/19/2013 2:30:47 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My spinach planted last fall has once again survived the winter and is growing great. Picked up some vinegar for spot weed killing. Planning to pick up some lettuce and other plants tomorrow if they’re available.


28 posted on 04/19/2013 2:31:33 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Augie

I share your opinion of the rain, however, I’ll just knock on wood, cause I don’t want the drought to start early. LOL

I am thinking about growing some mushrooms at my house. Next to my basement (canning) kitchen door. I put in a small garden plot size about 4x4 ft. It was intended as an herb and lettuce garden. Hubby had stated that he was going to cut the tree that shades the area the most.

Well, he didn’t, and so far, nothing has grown there. I did have a golden alexander which lasted for 2 years before giving it up. Any way, I am still trying to come up with a way to use the area. Mushrooms is all I can think of.


29 posted on 04/19/2013 2:37:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: TheRhinelander

I love when my spinach and lettuce lasts through the winter to spring. Last year, I did not plant enough, or else we ate more, because it all ran out before spring.

I have planted some more indoors and outdoors. The indoor romaine still has some leaves left, but the spinach is only seedling size - it took forever to germinate for some reason.

Last week the outdoor lettuce planted in top soil had sprouted, the mushroom compost only had one or two sprouts and the mixture of garden soil, top soil, and mushroom compost hadn’t even started. They are all under the row cover because of the cool temps, so I won’t be looking at them till tommorrow when the weather is nicer.


30 posted on 04/19/2013 2:44:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: samiam1972

http://www.backyardchickens.com/


31 posted on 04/19/2013 3:03:51 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: greeneyes
OK, the wild tomatoes and strange small round squash that grows well in a drought, are planted.

I FOUND TWO TINY TOMATOES ON A ROMA TOMATO PLANT! I thought they had to grow much bigger before that happened however it has blooms all over. Another Roma has some blooms and the ones I planted later look like blooms are about to happen.

Look, I was going to plant everything in pots so I got general purpose potting soil with food to last 9 months already in it. Now, I'm putting seeds in the ground and I don't have good fancy soil to add to the ground dirt, but I've got three bags of the general purpose potting soil.

I did not tell the seeds what I was going to use. I put the general purpose in the planting space, then put in the seed or seeds, then put more general purpose over the seeds to the depth required on the envelope. Then, I told the seeds they had really good food to grow in. Then, I watered them.

If potting soil works in a pot, why wouldn't it work in a hole in the ground which would be a holding vessel the same as a pot?

32 posted on 04/19/2013 3:07:26 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Potting soil does work in a hole in the ground, most of the time anyway. I don’t like digging holes. That’s why I went with raised beds.

I just covered the existing bare ground with cardboard and newspaper and dumped the bags of soil on the top. Then, I planted my stuff. Each year I add some compost and organic stuff to the soil, or else I plant winter cover crop to turn under and replace the nutrients.


33 posted on 04/19/2013 3:15:46 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

“dumped the bags of soil on the top”

What kind of soil is that?

I have a cover guaranteed for life over all the ground in my garden except where the roses bushes were. Holes were cut in that cover to plant the roses. So, the rest of the garden is covered with that cover and there is mulch over that cover. You’re saying I can just put soil over that cover and start the growing that way. That is an absolute winner that I didn’t think about. What kind of soil do you use for that?


34 posted on 04/19/2013 3:22:33 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: greeneyes

In my case, the cover was put there to keep grass and weeds from growing.


35 posted on 04/19/2013 3:25:03 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: greeneyes

I’m up here in MA so winter lettuce would be impossible although I never thought to try doing it indoors.


36 posted on 04/19/2013 3:33:15 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: greeneyes
Thanks for the ping.

Giving two garden beds a rest this year. We planted buckwheat 3 weeks ago in them and its about 10 inches high.

I plan on tilling the buckwheat in and replanting it several times before next years planting .

Our container(s) garden is going great
37 posted on 04/19/2013 4:03:28 PM PDT by John 3_19-21 ("as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.")
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To: greeneyes

I planted some peanuts last year (seeds were picked up from amazon.com) . They grew like crazy and every seed sprouted and they took over the entire area in a tangled mess.

Oh yeah the reason I mention this - make sure you get the bush type and not the vine kind (it was worse than pumpkins lol)
The bush type are easier to harvest too .

As a last resort if you can’t find them anywhere check on amazon.com


38 posted on 04/19/2013 4:12:25 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: greeneyes

What’s normal cherry blossom time?

I am up in Alaska and my wife is taking care of the garden down in California. She says everything is blooming except the cherry trees. We had a bumper crop last year; are the trees going to take a year off to recover? :-)


39 posted on 04/19/2013 5:04:08 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: greeneyes

Hi all. Nothing new to report this week for now. Enjoying this thread as usual, though. :)


40 posted on 04/19/2013 5:20:38 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: greeneyes

We have some tomatoes about the size of ping pong balls. Everything is doing great. Neighbor said he is ready to harvest most of his onion crop next week.


41 posted on 04/19/2013 5:26:31 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: greeneyes

Greetings all from chilly Tennessee. So much for warm weather. The cold front made its way across our fair state yesterday-down in the 40’s with a brisk cold wind. Brrrr!!!
Been enjoying the comments regarding backyard chickens. We have friends down south of Nashville-out in the sticks. They have been raising chickens. Got a call a few weeks back. They were wanting to know if I would like to help them um “process” them. Hah! I said “say what? You mean kill slaughter and fix for eatin’ ?” lol. So tomorrow I get to learn how live chickens get from the farm to Kroger. Ought to be an experience!!! I figure-regardless of how messy it may be-it seems like a good skill to learn in these times.
The yard and garden need so much work. So many weeds to pull, borders to re-do, planting, tilling, mulching, fixing.... just have to keep at it and be patient. Going to start tomatoes indoors this weekend. Going to grow “Celebrity” and “Mortgage Lifter” tomatoes. I’m also going to take J Random Freeper’s advice and plant a lot of Romas. We struggle so with fungal/blight problems with tomatoes.
Sure enjoy this thread. Enjoy hearing about everyones struggles and successes.


42 posted on 04/19/2013 5:49:36 PM PDT by murrie (Margaret Thatcher. You were one of the best!!!!)
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To: Marcella

Sorry for the delay. First I had unexpected company come in and stay a while. Next I am having computer problems. This is my third attempt at responding - here’s hoping that the third time is a charm.LOL

I don’t know what kinda cover you are talking about. I’ll just tell you what I did the first year - I strictly followed the square foot method. I had two beds totaling 40 sq. feet.

I used Mel’s mix equal parts of peat, compost, and vermiculite/perlite.

It worked great the first year. Not so much the second year, I think I didn’t get as much replacement nutrients in that year.

For the other beds, we turned the grass over to help kill it and left the roots exposed for a few weeks. Then covered it with cardboard and newspaper. Then just poured the potting mix and top soil into a wheelbarrow, mixed it up and dumped it out on top of the cardboard. It worked just fine.

I really that any old cheap potting soil from the garden supply would work and be cheaper too.


43 posted on 04/19/2013 5:50:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: TheRhinelander

It grows a little elongated indoors, but tastes great! I use the natural sun and add a grow light for a couple of hours after sunset, and sometimes on gloomy, dark days.

Outdoors in your area, I think you could do it using a hotbed that is covered, but then I am such a pansy, I would avoid getting the lettuce because I would not want to go out in the cold.LOL


44 posted on 04/19/2013 5:56:27 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: John 3_19-21

Buckwheat is good to plant to get rid of some pests. I can’t remember for sure, but I think it’s good to plant before you plant corn for that reason.


45 posted on 04/19/2013 5:58:07 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Lera

Thanks, I’ll have to make sure to get some of the bush kind if I can find them.


46 posted on 04/19/2013 6:01:29 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: hattend

I don’t know about California, or cherry trees. We just planted some this week.

Our butternut tree is bountiful and then kinda takes a couple of years to recover before it goes all out again. We just vaccum pack the nut meats and stick them in the freezer.


47 posted on 04/19/2013 6:04:05 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: fidelis

Glad to know you are here.


48 posted on 04/19/2013 6:04:33 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I am wishing I had some real tomatoes right now.LOL


49 posted on 04/19/2013 6:10:34 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
The cover comes on rolls - made from something that is tough as nails and guaranteed never to disintegrate on the ground. It's to stop anything under it from growing.

I can wipe the mulch stuff off it and it's just a continuous sheet over the ground. If I put dirt on top of this cover, the dirt has to be deep enough for a plant to grow because it is never going to grow through this cover.

So, wouldn't the whole garden become a raised garden? Understand?

My question was about the top soil. Is all top soil equal? If you buy a bag of top soil, are they all the same?

50 posted on 04/19/2013 6:12:08 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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