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Most Overrated Historic Figure(s)

Posted on 04/20/2013 7:55:55 PM PDT by MNDude

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To: MNDude

Martha Raye.


51 posted on 04/20/2013 8:33:43 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Beowulf9

I might change one of mine to Woody Allen after that clip:-)


52 posted on 04/20/2013 8:34:11 PM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: MNDude

1. Karl Marx

2. Gandhi

3. Mao


53 posted on 04/20/2013 8:34:19 PM PDT by nkronos
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To: dinoparty

Bernard Law Montgomery
MLK
Che
Bill Gates
Fidel Castro
Any Soviet / Chi-com Leader - all same to me
Yassir (nossir) Arafat
Charles DeGaulle
Most current pro and college athletes


54 posted on 04/20/2013 8:34:25 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: fungoking

Don’t forget largely responsible for WWII.


55 posted on 04/20/2013 8:34:52 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: MNDude

Ryan Howard.

LOL Phillies fans suffer.


56 posted on 04/20/2013 8:35:11 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Ethel Merman also.


57 posted on 04/20/2013 8:36:33 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: yarddog
Andrew Jackson gave the British the most lop sided defeat they ever suffered.

He followed that up with the Indian Removal Act and instituting the spoilage system for federal appointments. I'll give him credit for being the last president to pay off our debt but he certainly is not the icon portrayed in text books.

58 posted on 04/20/2013 8:38:18 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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59 posted on 04/20/2013 8:38:48 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: wally_bert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZdqsCW8vM


60 posted on 04/20/2013 8:39:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: MNDude; reaganaut

Marx
Freud
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and a three-way tie between Mohammed, Darwin, and Justin Bieber! :)


61 posted on 04/20/2013 8:39:37 PM PDT by mrreaganaut (Coolidge 2016!)
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To: MNDude

Any general who overwhelms a much weaker enemy by vast resources in men or material or both should never be held up as a great leader.

Examples: Crazy Horse at Little Big Horn.
Grant: Against Robert E. Lee.
Xerxes and Darius against the ancient Greeks and not just the Spartans.


62 posted on 04/20/2013 8:41:29 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
I don't know how anyone could say that Napoleon was an overrated historical figure given his impact. Same with Hitler, who was a monster, yet we are living with the consequences of his actions to this day—and will forevermore.

My picks would be: MLK, Nelson Mandela, and Gorbachev. I wouldn't even put Hillary in this group as she's not a historical figure and I don't think she'll ever be elected POTUS.

63 posted on 04/20/2013 8:41:55 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: MNDude

Hillary Clinton

Martin Luther King Jr.

ANY democrat that sat on the Supreme Court


64 posted on 04/20/2013 8:43:55 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: MNDude

As the Angels have quickly found out...Josh Hamilton.


65 posted on 04/20/2013 8:43:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Michael.SF.

Heh, I was reading through the posts thinking “Didn’t they read the premise?”

I think it was simply too much to resist. Heck, my fingers were twitching to type Foxtrot Delta Romeo.

But I held off...:)


66 posted on 04/20/2013 8:45:01 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: nkronos

I agree about Ghandi. Most overrated. He had the good fortune to go up against the British. Anyone else would have waxed him.


67 posted on 04/20/2013 8:45:19 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: MNDude

General Douglas MacArthur.


68 posted on 04/20/2013 8:46:35 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: MNDude; mrreaganaut

Darwin. My husband got into a debate with a law professor after DH pointed out that Darwin was a racist. Proff asked DH to prove it and DH gave him several quotes, proff ended up with egg on his face.


69 posted on 04/20/2013 8:47:20 PM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: rlmorel
General Douglas MacArthur.

I was waiting for that one to show up.

70 posted on 04/20/2013 8:47:44 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: MNDude

General Haig

He threw away hundreds of thousands of lives to no purpose, and got away with it only after Pershing brought over two million american boys to win the war.


71 posted on 04/20/2013 8:48:13 PM PDT by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: Revolting cat!

+1 but I’m a Holly fan


72 posted on 04/20/2013 8:48:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: MNDude

In no particular order....

Tom Cruise
Rob Reiner
John Travolta
Pee Wee Herman
Jane Fonda
Cindy Sheehan


73 posted on 04/20/2013 8:49:08 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: yarddog

I read your first line of that post, and thought I would offer up Chester Nimitz as a rebuttal, but kept in mind he was locked in a death grip with the Japanese Navy when they were still on par or even superior.

So he wouldn’t have applied.


74 posted on 04/20/2013 8:50:08 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: treetopsandroofs

So many mentioned are pop culture rather than historical figures. SMH


75 posted on 04/20/2013 8:50:24 PM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: treetopsandroofs

So many mentioned are pop culture rather than historical figures. SMH


76 posted on 04/20/2013 8:50:24 PM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Pan_Yan

Don’t let yerself get caught on the Chalmette battlefield after sundown.


77 posted on 04/20/2013 8:51:08 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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To: rlmorel

Whether you like him or not, McArthur was one of the most brilliant generals of all time. His invasion of Inchon was a true masterpiece.

His WWII leadership was also of the highest order.


78 posted on 04/20/2013 8:51:53 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I will say, though, that even though my opinion of him in certain respects is not that high, I still recognize that he did do some pretty good things.

I would have had Nimitz taking the surrender from the Japanese rather than MacArthur.


79 posted on 04/20/2013 8:52:06 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: MNDude; Dr. Zoo

Senator Barack Hussein Obama

Governor William Jefferson Clinton

Dr. Zoo, Doctor of Phenomonology


80 posted on 04/20/2013 8:52:17 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?")
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To: House Atreides

Dan “What is the frequency Kenneth?” Ra(th)er.


81 posted on 04/20/2013 8:52:42 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: MNDude
Bill O'Blivious

Leni

82 posted on 04/20/2013 8:54:11 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: yarddog

I agree. See my post right below yours, I was writing that before I saw yours.

Some people think he was a military God. I think he was a decent general who had some really good shining spots, and some really bad aspects.

Again, just my opinion...:)


83 posted on 04/20/2013 8:54:30 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: MNDude
Robert Strange McNamara
Tom Hanks
Juan and Evita Peron
Colin Powell
Red China
84 posted on 04/20/2013 8:54:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: rlmorel

The American Navy fought with dogged determination through the worst days of the war and kept that determination through the war while learning and finally outsmarting the Japanese even tho they did eventually have overwhelming superiority.


85 posted on 04/20/2013 8:56:07 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: yarddog

I wouldn’t agree his leadership was the highest order. He got a lot of adoring press, and he made as sure as he could that was the case.

For quiet leadership and effectiveness, I think Nimitz was perhaps the best.


86 posted on 04/20/2013 8:57:23 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: yarddog

If you are interested, a really amazing book about that time is “Neptune’s Inferno” about the naval campaign around the Solomon Islands.


87 posted on 04/20/2013 8:58:46 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUHkz75_6ck


88 posted on 04/20/2013 8:59:21 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: yarddog

I think for MOST overrated, I think Field Marshal Montgomery takes that prize for me.


89 posted on 04/20/2013 9:00:13 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: MNDude

Albert Einstein


90 posted on 04/20/2013 9:02:05 PM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: mrreaganaut; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Don’t forget Joseph Smith!


91 posted on 04/20/2013 9:02:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: rlmorel

Nimitz and McArthur both submitted plans for the defeat of Japan.

Truman chose McArthur’s and it worked very very well, especially the great idea of not capturing every island.

I am sure Nimitz’s plan would have also worked but that doesn’t take away from McArthur’s actual success.


92 posted on 04/20/2013 9:03:06 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: MNDude

George Armstrong Custer


93 posted on 04/20/2013 9:04:18 PM PDT by madison10
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To: rlmorel

I think Montgomery was one of the most under rated, especially by Americans. The Germans thought he was very good.


94 posted on 04/20/2013 9:05:22 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: yarddog

Also McClellan has been treated unfairly by history. The Confederate Generals just about all thought he was the toughest to go up against.


95 posted on 04/20/2013 9:07:50 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: yarddog

Also McClellan has been treated unfairly by history. The Confederate Generals just about all thought he was the toughest to go up against.


96 posted on 04/20/2013 9:07:50 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: yarddog

I certainly wouldn’t say Nimitz didn’t make mistakes, that is certain.

Between the two, I am biased towards Nimitz due to his personal qualities and the way that he led men.

You look at leaders like Patton, Lemay and Halsey, and they were men who knew how to fight both with their brains and with their leadership. Of the three, I think Halsey was the least accomplished at using his intellect towards an end, he seemed to depend more on his aggressiveness and instincts.


97 posted on 04/20/2013 9:09:07 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: Paradox

Steven Hawking for that matter


98 posted on 04/20/2013 9:11:48 PM PDT by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
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To: yarddog

The Germans also knew that when they were battling Montgomery, time was on their side.

Once he got moving, he was okay. It was getting him moving that was the problem.

He wouldn’t make the move until he had every single piece in place, and his ability to exploit an opening suffered. It isn’t surprising that he and Patton detested each other, they were polar opposites in that respect.


99 posted on 04/20/2013 9:12:14 PM PDT by rlmorel ("We'll drink to good health for them that have it coming." Boss Spearman in Open Range)
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To: rlmorel

Yes the Japanese totally snookered Halsey during the Philippines battles and it almost led to disaster leaving our landing forces unprotected.

He was saved by a few Destroyer Escorts and jeep carriers who fought so hard the Japanes were fooled into thinking they were up against a main force and withdrew before what would have been a major victory for them.


100 posted on 04/20/2013 9:13:05 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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