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To: SunkenCiv; Renfield; no-to-illegals; All

I have always been fascinated by the African type giant Olmec heads that are from at least 1000 BC. A few years ago I saw a Mediterranean artifact showing African mercenaries. SO now I have a theory that Phoenicians or other Sea People traveled to the new world with African mercenaries on board. Some got stuck there, and the mercenaries as the most powerful and warlike ended up in control of the crews and native population, and with the inputs from Mediterranean civilization helped the Olmec become the first developed civilization in Central America. Being warriors, not scholars, they did not introduce writing, but buildings they had seen and could have directed building.


3 posted on 04/20/2013 8:52:09 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

A theory like this has been making the rounds since at least the 70’s when I first heard it.

The problem with this theory is that geneticists should have found african dna that dates back a thousand years or more among central american tribes. This may have happened but I have not heard of it.

Another variation of this relates not to olmecs but rather to the mayans whose temples look strikingly like temples from Indonesia. But once again I have not heard about any confirming DNA evidence that would link the two peoples.


6 posted on 04/20/2013 10:05:01 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: gleeaikin
I am always slightly taken aback at the underlying assumption that the indigeous mesoamerican population was not capable of developing a civilization of its own without assistance and leadership from "superior" Europeans or Africans. That could be perceived as condescending if not actually racist. In any event, there is no genetic data whatsoever to support your thesis about the Phoenicians/Africans in la Huasteca, or anywhere else on the continent for that matter. And unfortunately there is no linguistic evidence available. The genetic evidence (greatly simplified) is that African DNA did not arrive in the Western hemisphere until the time of the European conquest and initiation of the slave trade, that is, after the end of the 15th century.

"...among the derived alleles that are at low frequency in Yoruba and at high frequency in east Asians, we find that essentially all of these alleles are at intermediate frequency in Europeans...We also observed that for most of these SNPs, the allele frequencies in the Americas are similar to Han frequencies, suggesting that in most cases these alleles were already at high frequency prior to colonization of the Americas some 15,000 years ago ... Together, the latter observations suggest that perhaps the east Asian sweeps tend to be relatively old..."

http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1000500#s2

7 posted on 04/20/2013 10:18:20 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: gleeaikin; BenLurkin; ckilmer
My first thought was of the Olmecs too.

I read an article where an anthropologist was speculating that the Olmecs were the remains of what was once an over the land version of the Panama Canal...moving goods across land from one ocean to another. If you look at Olmec art...they have every racial type covered in their art.
I even had a picture (no longer) of an Olmec statue that looked exactly like a Jewish Rabbi. A trade route between east and west would encounter all racial types, eh?

Another guy speculated that they were refugees from the Shang dynasty collapse where it was written that 250,000 'took to the sea'.

Others have wondered where the 'build-up', the evolution, of the Olmec culture can be found...it's not there. It's appears to have 'sprang up' fully developed.

Anyway, this port may be related to them.

Olmecs Strangers In A Strange Land


8 posted on 04/20/2013 10:31:11 PM PDT by blam
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14 posted on 04/21/2013 8:31:44 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
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To: gleeaikin

I was wondering about that, too. The locals didn’t have any sea-going. I don’t think they they even had anything like the giant whaling canoes used in the Pacific Northwest. Why would they have a seaport?

Also, there are supposedly wreck sites in South America with Greco-Roman type amphora. I think somebody was trading in South America loooooooong before Columbus or even Leif Ericson made it to the western hemisphere.


25 posted on 04/22/2013 5:57:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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