Skip to comments.Raising little Nietzsches: How public schooling contradicts itself
Posted on 04/23/2013 3:05:46 PM PDT by SincerelyAmanda
The Western world since Nietzsche is on a path to collectively and systematically "amoralize" culture to somehow generate a better populace...
...It has been said that all education is inescapably religious. If we take that statement to its logical conclusion, it might as well be a constitutional argument for the separation of school and state under First Amendment provisions...
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The founders must be regretting public skools at this point. They were pretty decent through the 70s
“The founders must be regretting public skools at this point. They were pretty decent through the 70s”
The world war 2 generation started to retire around 1969. The hippies had graduated from college and become teachers. I was in high school and I noticed the change, which was stunning. It has only gotten worse. I was talking to a middle class white kid in the gym (23.) He did not know who JFK was and he’d never heard of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. He could name the presidents starting with Carter. He said he’d graduated near the top of his HS class.
Hey, Amanda.. it looks like you are excerpting your writing for hits:
Have you any thoughts on that?
How can we start a campaign to counteract the overbearing PC in public schools and colleges? We need to use alinsky tactics on them and make them objects of ridicule - idiots like the one that suspended the kid for eating his pop tart into a vaguely gun-like shape ought to be drummed out of any possibility of work except possibly flipping burgers. We also need good Christian men and women to assume leadership in these institutions and start moving the commies out.
no--they really were not... by then the public school system was infiltrated by socialism... even before the 70s... read Fahrenheit 451--which came out in the early 50s... schools were already indoctrination centers... no encouragement of free thinking... from the start, public schools--the entire idea of "kindergarten," was to create "servants."
The term was created by Friedrich Fröbel for the play and activity institute that he created in 1837 in Bad Blankenburg as a social experience for children for their transition from home to school. (Wikipedia)
i am not sure the Founding Fathers had taken public school into much consideration... many of the Founding Fathers were privately educated within the home... right now i am reading a biography on Thomas Jefferson--a 6-volume biography... i am on the first volume--The Virginian... i read about his early education today... i have read other books about Thomas Jefferson and his education... as a homeschooler--his type of education is what i have had in mind for my own two sons...
the idea behind Sesame Street also fits into the "kindergarten" experiment... early start indoctrination... we who went through the "conveyor belt" of public education in the 50s, 60s and 70s mostly believe what we got was good... compared to the educations many of the Founding Fathers received, what we got was crap...
today, the system is deceptively called public school... but we no longer have public schools... the public has no say in what goes in these cesspools... indoctrination institutions... they are now government schools... and most parents send their children to them day in and day out... year after year... even conservative parents willfully hand their precious children over to the enemy...
i highly recommend A Thomas Jefferson Education by Oliver DeMille, The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto, and Another Sort of Learning by James V. Schall (really any book by him)...
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“They were pretty decent through the 70s.”
You are being VERY generous. I managed to get a decent education due to PURE LUCK. My sister wasn’t as lucky and paid the price.
...and that was at a “wonderful” suburban school district, among the top in the state, perhaps even nationally.
The bottom line, as my sister found out the hard way, was even back then, you needed to get your REAL education from outside sources.
Obviously now it’s even worse...and it still depresses the hell out of me to see parents that are SO SELFISH that they actually put their kids on that big yellow bus.
Don't blame the Founders on the public schools -- that wasn't an idea till after the Civil War. You are right, though, that the public schools retained a shred of competence through the sixties.
The Progressives grabbed control of the budding public school system in the late 1890's. Everyone approved because they wanted to create a "democratic" educational system -- not one that favored one group [such as, say, the natively intelligent] over another.
Gradually, during the beginning years of the 20th century, the schools were changed from places where people were educated into places where people were trained. Now, training a dim-minded boy to read, cipher, and perform a job may be good. But when his bright schoolmate is stuffed into the same curriculum, only frustration and boredom can result.
It took several generations, of course, for the damage to be done. And by the sixties, the last of the well-educated teachers were gone and we are left with what we're left with.
The Facebook, MSNBC generation.
I sincerely doubt that anyone, that is, anyone with more than a superficial reading of Nietzsche in their background, would confuse today’s “typical” public school graduate with one expressing their will to power.
Boy, what a misread.
Well I can’t deny that I appreciate extra site hits, but I like that the Free Republic crowd offers such a variety of feedback. I’ve never been good at participating in message boards myself (I take too long to respond most of the time), but I like to see what others think. It helps me figure out where I am failing to articulate points properly or when I have overlooked something.
I suppose the title of the article does seem misleading at first, but I meant it in a more complex sense...it’s not that public schools are deliberately raising children be like Nietzsche, but rather they now are trying to institutionalize an amoral, secularized mindset (i.e. sex education, pro-homosexuality, God is treated as offensive) that is similar to Nietzsche’s worldview, yet it is ironic because Nietzsche was not fond of institutionalized schooling or any sort of compulsion. I’m hypothesizing that Nietzsche’s rebellion against religion and God might actually be somewhat rooted in a rebellion against Prussian nationalism, of which public schooling was a key aspect.
If Nietzsche went through today’s public schooling, would he actually rebel in the opposite direction and become a Christian? Is public schooling setting itself up for a new type of rebellious little Nietzsches, perhaps individuals who are fiercely libertarian?
It’s a jumble of things to ponder.