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Ancient DNA reveals Europe's dynamic genetic history
phys.org ^ | 6 hours ago

Posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin

Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

The study, published today in Nature Communications, reveals a dramatic series of events including major migrations from both Western Europe and Eurasia, and signs of an unexplained genetic turnover about 4000-5000 years ago.

The research was performed at the University of Adelaide's Australian Centre for Ancient DNA (ACAD). Researchers used DNA extracted from bone and teeth samples from prehistoric human skeletons to sequence a group of maternal genetic lineages that are now carried by up to 45% of Europeans.

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: ancietndna; dna; epigraphyandlanguage; europe; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; skeletons
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1 posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 04/23/2013 5:50:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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"The expansion of the Bell Beaker culture (named after their pots) appears to have been a key event, emerging in Iberia around 2800 BC and arriving in Germany several centuries later," says Dr Brotherton. "This is a very interesting group as they have been linked to the expansion of Celtic languages along the Atlantic coast and into central Europe."
3 posted on 04/23/2013 5:52:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

That is very interesting indeed, as I think the conventional story is that the Celts expanded from central Europe. Not out of Iberia.


4 posted on 04/23/2013 5:59:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BenLurkin
Thanks for the new link--Nature Communications
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6 posted on 04/23/2013 6:05:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: BenLurkin

This is very interesting. I sent the link to my daughter. She is a genetic scientist.
I don’t know how many of you study history from the bible, but this goes right along with it. Noah’s flood was to have occured 4-5000 years ago. There were major changes after it. Man’s lifespan was drastically shortened after the flood.

Also, all life died except Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives. Only the animals in the ark were saved. Noah’s family repopulated the earth. Also, they started out from Turkey, just as this article says. Lots to think about.


7 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:34 PM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: BenLurkin

This is very interesting. I sent the link to my daughter. She is a genetic scientist.
I don’t know how many of you study history from the bible, but this goes right along with it. Noah’s flood was to have occured 4-5000 years ago. There were major changes after it. Man’s lifespan was drastically shortened after the flood.

Also, all life died except Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives. Only the animals in the ark were saved. Noah’s family repopulated the earth. Also, they started out from Turkey, just as this article says. Lots to think about.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:53 PM PDT by Jude in WV
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

9 posted on 04/23/2013 6:37:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: BenLurkin; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

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Thanks BenLurkin.
Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7500 years old... major migrations from both Western Europe and Eurasia, and signs of an unexplained genetic turnover about 4000-5000 years ago... DNA extracted from bone and teeth samples from prehistoric human skeletons to sequence a group of maternal genetic lineages that are now carried by up to 45% of Europeans.
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


10 posted on 04/23/2013 6:37:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: BenLurkin
unexplained genetic turnover about 4000-5000 years ago.

Interesting. They will be saying the same thing in another 5000 years, wondering how it became all Arab and North African.

11 posted on 04/23/2013 6:39:57 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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Alas, we can't post this one: Actually 4400 years old.


12 posted on 04/23/2013 6:40:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: BenLurkin
and signs of an unexplained genetic turnover about 4000-5000 years ago.

Sounds like an invasion...or maybe just an influx of 'immigrants'.

13 posted on 04/23/2013 6:41:40 PM PDT by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: Jude in WV

Actually, there’s nothing in that article that says all life died except one family and a few animals on an ark, and the claimed origin of agriculture in the Near East (which includes Turkey) is known from RC dating of domesticated multirow barley to be at least 14,000 years old; in the article the arrival of agriculture in Germany was 5500 BC. There’s also nothing in the article about decreased lifespans, but it’s known from other research that lifespans increased greatly (as did family size) with the rise of agriculture.


14 posted on 04/23/2013 6:47:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Jude in WV

I wish Noah had brought dinosaurs in his small ship. I would truly have loved to see what they were like five thousand nine hundred and two score years ago. Did you know they have found pieces of what they think are part of Noah’s boat on Pike’s Peak? I saw that on Bigfoot Hunters.


15 posted on 04/23/2013 6:50:18 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Jude in WV

Many people fail to notice - the fish lived; so not all life was eliminated ;)


16 posted on 04/23/2013 6:55:38 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Sherman Logan

The Milesian legends say Iberia.


17 posted on 04/23/2013 6:58:02 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jude in WV

Then evolution must happen really fast if all species of land animals came about from those that could fit on the Ark.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 6:59:47 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: SunkenCiv; BenLurkin
What was unclear in the article was this: they speak of the H haplogroup (which was mitochondrial) and then the wholesale change that occurred around 4,500 years ago. Was the H replaced or were autosomal markers replaced?

If the H was replaced, it means that something like disease wiped out most of the people; if H remained, but other markers replaced, it would mean that invaders came and killed the men and took the women (preserving the H). Which is it?

19 posted on 04/23/2013 7:11:51 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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20 posted on 04/23/2013 7:20:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: BenLurkin; SunkenCiv
The actual abstract from the original article is much clearer than the phys. org. piece (no blame to you, BL, just stating the fact). The abstract:

Abstract•

Haplogroup H dominates present-day Western European mitochondrial DNA variability (>40%), yet was less common (~19%) among Early Neolithic farmers (~5450 BC) and virtually absent in Mesolithic hunter-gatherers. Here we investigate this major component of the maternal population history of modern Europeans and sequence 39 complete haplogroup H mitochondrial genomes from ancient human remains. We then compare this ‘real-time’ genetic data with cultural changes taking place between the Early Neolithic (~5450 BC) and Bronze Age (~2200 BC) in Central Europe. Our results reveal that the current diversity and distribution of haplogroup H were largely established by the Mid Neolithic (~4000 BC), but with substantial genetic contributions from subsequent pan-European cultures such as the Bell Beakers expanding out of Iberia in the Late Neolithic (~2800 BC). Dated haplogroup H genomes allow us to reconstruct the recent evolutionary history of haplogroup H and reveal a mutation rate 45% higher than current estimates for human mitochondria.

21 posted on 04/23/2013 7:46:59 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: BenLurkin

The Beaker people showed up about 10 miles south of Leicester in central England, around 2000 B.C. A burial mound was found a stones throw from Smeeton-Westerby in the ‘70’s.


22 posted on 04/23/2013 7:58:49 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Jude in WV
So I take it your daughter is a Christian Christian? If so, she is a brave lady for taking up a filed of science that very few Christians populate. However, the more Christians like her get into the intricate field of genetic science, the better Christians will be prepared to battle the l;ies of the enemy.

have you read the book, "Genetic Entropy & the Mystery of the Genome"? It does an excellent job of laying out the scientific case against mutations resulting in the origin of species. It's a great read for anyone who is serious about understanding the science and facts about how mutations can never advance to a better species as Darwin and evolutionists claim.

It seems like a difficult read, but the author, Dr. John Sanford, did a great job of bringing the sometimes difficult to grasp scientific discussions on DNA and biology down to a layman's lever of understanding.

If you haven't, I would suggest it to be a must for every serious Christians library, and send a copy to your daughter if she doesn't already own a copy. I am sure she has already read it if she is a Christian. Well considering her field of expertise anyway.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 8:16:00 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I find it interesting the people who claim beief in an omnipotent God so readily embrace such works as proof that he could not have created life with the ability to evolve.


24 posted on 04/23/2013 8:23:21 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: reed13k
Many people fail to notice - the fish lived
Actually, probably 90% of all fish died in the flood. That is why there is so much fossil records of aquatic life on mountains all over the world. Fossils of aquatic life has even been found on Mt Everest.

We actually have more fossils on land of aquatic life than any other life that had perished from the flood.

It's not unusual for large amounts of aquatic life to die in flood conditions. Along with the loss of their natural habitat, there is the amount of aquatic life that dies from being stranded on dry land when the flood waters recede.
25 posted on 04/23/2013 8:26:20 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: tacticalogic

I always looked at the study of Evolution as to trying to understand how God works....I never understood why Evolution and Creationism had to be considered mutually exclusive concepts.


26 posted on 04/23/2013 8:29:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I always looked at the study of Evolution as to trying to understand how God works....I never understood why Evolution and Creationism had to be considered mutually exclusive concepts.

I can't find any logical reason why it has to be an either/or equation, either. But I see all manner of linguistic legerdemain committed in pursuit of trying to make it appear so.

27 posted on 04/23/2013 8:34:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Never heard of Milesian legends. What are they?


28 posted on 04/23/2013 8:34:15 PM PDT by married21
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To: married21

There are a lot of very chatty, ornate recountings but this is very concise and cuts to the chase:

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/milesians.html

Iberian soldiers wiped out the natives, known as the Firbolg.


29 posted on 04/23/2013 8:55:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: married21

... and a more detailed treatment devoid of the genealogical ramblings that tend to go along with the subject:

http://www.hispano-irish.es/en/Common-History-8/1/THE-SPANISH-MILESIAN-INVASION-13


30 posted on 04/23/2013 9:02:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Colorado Doug

I’d “Lol” if it wasn’t so sad...


31 posted on 04/23/2013 9:04:58 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks. The Milesian word reminds me of “miletus” as in “polio miletus”. Wonder what the connection is there, but I suppose that’s too much of a tangent to delve into here.


32 posted on 04/23/2013 9:42:39 PM PDT by married21
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To: Colorado Doug; BenLurkin; SunkenCiv; All

That is the period when swarms of conquerors swarmed out of Central Asia, I can’t think of their name(s) just now, tired aging brain and all that. If I think of it tomorrow I will message again. The hypothesis is that the earlier European cultures were matriarchal and the invading cultures were patriarchal, which shows up very strongly in the Bible were women are relegated to inferiority and sin.


33 posted on 04/23/2013 10:05:09 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Sawdring

surely you jest. ;-)


34 posted on 04/23/2013 10:06:18 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Sherman Logan

The proto-Celts were supposed to have come from the Caucasus region.


35 posted on 04/23/2013 10:13:59 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.....)
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To: Sawdring

he did. they were just little ones though. after the global temperature changes they either perished or adapted as smaller versions.


36 posted on 04/23/2013 10:35:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: tacticalogic

It all depends upon what level of evolveing you suggest.

We evolve within our environment, but we do not evolve from one species to another.

Never has any proof been found that a cat, evolved to a dog, nor that a bird evolved into a cat.

We evolve within our need to survive in the environment we live.

We will evolve to gain thicker bones to live in colder climates, and we will evolve into having thinner bones after a few generations to cool off in warmer climates, but we never ever evolve into another species of life.

Look at the evidence, there has never been and never will be evidence of nano evolutionary changes in any species on earth.

Plus, all evolutionary changes are changes that loose information, never do they gain information. You cannot get better by removing information.

Try doing that in anything you do. Remove anything that is needed to work and you will not get a better result, you will get a result that is lacking. that is because every time you digress you get farther and farther away from the main subject. Whether it be life, or a topic you are discussing with another person.


37 posted on 04/23/2013 11:16:20 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Thanks, I will check this book out. She is a very serious Christian. What she doesn’t understand, she leaves to God, the creator.
Some of the professors in her graduate studies/research were Christians, also.
She told me to read “The Language of God”, a book by Dr. Francis Collins. He is Director of US National Institutes of Health. He earned an award for the Human Genome Project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Language_of_God:_A_Scientist_Presents_Evidence_for_Belief


38 posted on 04/24/2013 4:41:59 AM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: OneVike

Thanks, I will check this book out. She is a very serious Christian. What she doesn’t understand, she leaves to God, the creator.
Some of the professors in her graduate studies/research were Christians, also.
She told me to read “The Language of God”, a book by Dr. Francis Collins. He is Director of US National Institutes of Health. He earned an award for the Human Genome Project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Language_of_God:_A_Scientist_Presents_Evidence_for_Belief


39 posted on 04/24/2013 4:51:14 AM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: married21

Myelitis signifies an inflammation of the nerve’s myelin sheath.


40 posted on 04/24/2013 5:31:44 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: dfwgator

To a certain extent, I am with you.

However, if there was no Fall, and original sin, there was no need for Christ’s sacrifice.

I haven’t quite figured out how to reconcile this fact with evolution, but I’m open to suggestions.


41 posted on 04/24/2013 5:59:17 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: chesley
I am going to have my ancestry DNA tested one day. I believe that I am a Albanian Arab instead of 100 Sicilian like I was told. LOL
42 posted on 04/24/2013 6:03:16 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Colorado Doug

Indo-European INvasion.


43 posted on 04/24/2013 6:35:20 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: OneVike
You've just presented a textbook exercise in begging the questions.

Your arguments present more reasons to mistrust the conclusions that to trust them.

It's like Obama saying "That just isn't true." whenever someone says something he doesn't like, as if him saying it isn't true constitutes verifiable evidence.

44 posted on 04/24/2013 8:12:36 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jude in WV

Thanks, I will check out the one you suggest.

I have heard of it mentioned by others, but never found the time to actually search for it. However, at your suggestion I will go out of my way to find it and read it.


45 posted on 04/24/2013 8:24:17 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: gleeaikin
cultures were patriarchal, shows up very strongly in the Bible were women are relegated to inferiority and sin.

I heard that same crap from an anthropology professor in the 1970s. Half the class sucked his nonsense up. The other half just rolled their eyes.

46 posted on 04/24/2013 8:57:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: tacticalogic; Jude in WV; dfwgator; chesley

Wrong.

I gave you verifiable knowledge that you can research.

However, you would rather be lost in your ignorance than check to see if my information is correct.

Please do the same with your information that evolution is anything more than a pie in the sky theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

What you fail to understand is the theology that backs up the scientific evidence.

Just as the scientific evidence backs up the theology.

If sin entered the world after the fall of Adam, then how could destruction have existed before the fall/

One needs death and destruction to have evolution. Death did not take place until after the fall of Adam, which happened after he sinned.

So you see, any God fearing Christian would be wrong to even hint at the idea that God used evolution in His creation of the Universe and all that exists in it.

By admitting God used evolution, one claims that God is a wrong. If God is wrong, then he is not the omnipotent all knowing and all seeing God He claims to be. After all, the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, and the word of God explicitly tells us that He created everything in 6 days.

Now you may say you do not believe in God. OK, but do not try and push your unbelief onto Christians who believe otherwise.

So, please explain your logic as to why you are befuddled that people who claim to believe in an omnipotent God, would so readily embrace the scientific studies and evidence we do as proof that God could not have created life with the ability to evolve.

As I said in my original answer, we do evolve within our species, but not from one to another.

One last time, so you will understand the reasoning of a Christian as to why Evolution and Creationism has to be considered mutually exclusive concepts. Concepts that do not and cannot be reconciled with each other.

“God created everything from nothing. He did not use evolution and millions of years, he did so in 6 days. Any Christian who will accept the theory that God used evolution to create the universe is saying they do not believe God is who He claims to be.

You can disagree with the evidence we have to back up our stance all you desire, but do not claim that we Christians have reason to believe what we do.

Oh yea, one other thing, and this is about tacticalogic’s comment of studying evolution to understand how God works.

That would be like studying Islam to understand why Moses went back to Egypt. Or studying the way steel is produced to understand how the weather works.

If you truly desire to understand how God works, all you need is the Bible. I suggest you open it up and pray for understanding. If you are truly honest in your heart to understand Him, then God will open the eyes of your mind and it will all become crystal clear as to how and why he does the things he does.

However, please do NOT use the works of Satan to try to understand God.


47 posted on 04/24/2013 8:57:38 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Pharmboy

Oops. And my goof signifies an old brain that makes useless associations.


48 posted on 04/24/2013 9:01:02 AM PDT by married21
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To: BenLurkin

The Black Plague (sorry...Plague of Color) probably had a pretty big effect of the genetics of Europe.


49 posted on 04/24/2013 9:14:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: OneVike

I have no idea what the heck you are talking about?

I am ignorant neither of the theology, nor of the evidence of evlolution. I was questioning, not stating any facts.

Perhaps you should examine your own heart. I’m not a perfect person, but I am a Christian.

I believe that the Bible, and science can be reconciled, I’’m just n ot smart enough to do it in a way that everyone will acpet.


50 posted on 04/24/2013 9:32:02 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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