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Ancient DNA reveals Europe's dynamic genetic history
phys.org ^ | 6 hours ago

Posted on 04/23/2013 5:49:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: dfwgator

To a certain extent, I am with you.

However, if there was no Fall, and original sin, there was no need for Christ’s sacrifice.

I haven’t quite figured out how to reconcile this fact with evolution, but I’m open to suggestions.


41 posted on 04/24/2013 5:59:17 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: chesley
I am going to have my ancestry DNA tested one day. I believe that I am a Albanian Arab instead of 100 Sicilian like I was told. LOL
42 posted on 04/24/2013 6:03:16 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Colorado Doug

Indo-European INvasion.


43 posted on 04/24/2013 6:35:20 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/))
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To: OneVike
You've just presented a textbook exercise in begging the questions.

Your arguments present more reasons to mistrust the conclusions that to trust them.

It's like Obama saying "That just isn't true." whenever someone says something he doesn't like, as if him saying it isn't true constitutes verifiable evidence.

44 posted on 04/24/2013 8:12:36 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jude in WV

Thanks, I will check out the one you suggest.

I have heard of it mentioned by others, but never found the time to actually search for it. However, at your suggestion I will go out of my way to find it and read it.


45 posted on 04/24/2013 8:24:17 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: gleeaikin
cultures were patriarchal, shows up very strongly in the Bible were women are relegated to inferiority and sin.

I heard that same crap from an anthropology professor in the 1970s. Half the class sucked his nonsense up. The other half just rolled their eyes.

46 posted on 04/24/2013 8:57:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: tacticalogic; Jude in WV; dfwgator; chesley

Wrong.

I gave you verifiable knowledge that you can research.

However, you would rather be lost in your ignorance than check to see if my information is correct.

Please do the same with your information that evolution is anything more than a pie in the sky theory that has been proven wrong time and time again.

What you fail to understand is the theology that backs up the scientific evidence.

Just as the scientific evidence backs up the theology.

If sin entered the world after the fall of Adam, then how could destruction have existed before the fall/

One needs death and destruction to have evolution. Death did not take place until after the fall of Adam, which happened after he sinned.

So you see, any God fearing Christian would be wrong to even hint at the idea that God used evolution in His creation of the Universe and all that exists in it.

By admitting God used evolution, one claims that God is a wrong. If God is wrong, then he is not the omnipotent all knowing and all seeing God He claims to be. After all, the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, and the word of God explicitly tells us that He created everything in 6 days.

Now you may say you do not believe in God. OK, but do not try and push your unbelief onto Christians who believe otherwise.

So, please explain your logic as to why you are befuddled that people who claim to believe in an omnipotent God, would so readily embrace the scientific studies and evidence we do as proof that God could not have created life with the ability to evolve.

As I said in my original answer, we do evolve within our species, but not from one to another.

One last time, so you will understand the reasoning of a Christian as to why Evolution and Creationism has to be considered mutually exclusive concepts. Concepts that do not and cannot be reconciled with each other.

“God created everything from nothing. He did not use evolution and millions of years, he did so in 6 days. Any Christian who will accept the theory that God used evolution to create the universe is saying they do not believe God is who He claims to be.

You can disagree with the evidence we have to back up our stance all you desire, but do not claim that we Christians have reason to believe what we do.

Oh yea, one other thing, and this is about tacticalogic’s comment of studying evolution to understand how God works.

That would be like studying Islam to understand why Moses went back to Egypt. Or studying the way steel is produced to understand how the weather works.

If you truly desire to understand how God works, all you need is the Bible. I suggest you open it up and pray for understanding. If you are truly honest in your heart to understand Him, then God will open the eyes of your mind and it will all become crystal clear as to how and why he does the things he does.

However, please do NOT use the works of Satan to try to understand God.


47 posted on 04/24/2013 8:57:38 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Pharmboy

Oops. And my goof signifies an old brain that makes useless associations.


48 posted on 04/24/2013 9:01:02 AM PDT by married21
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To: BenLurkin

The Black Plague (sorry...Plague of Color) probably had a pretty big effect of the genetics of Europe.


49 posted on 04/24/2013 9:14:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: OneVike

I have no idea what the heck you are talking about?

I am ignorant neither of the theology, nor of the evidence of evlolution. I was questioning, not stating any facts.

Perhaps you should examine your own heart. I’m not a perfect person, but I am a Christian.

I believe that the Bible, and science can be reconciled, I’’m just n ot smart enough to do it in a way that everyone will acpet.


50 posted on 04/24/2013 9:32:02 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: eldoradude

If I were an ancient aliens theorist I would it’s the aliens who done this too us! Lol...


51 posted on 04/24/2013 9:37:18 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: chesley

I accidentally pinged your name. I was speaking of what tacticalogic, and dfwgator had written.

I apologize for making it seem like I was taking you on.

Again I apologize.


52 posted on 04/24/2013 9:47:19 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Apology accepted :)


53 posted on 04/24/2013 9:56:25 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: OneVike
I gave you verifiable knowledge that you can research.

You gave me your opinion, presented as self-evident truth. It is dogma. It's purpose is not to engage the debate, but to prevent it.

54 posted on 04/24/2013 10:21:19 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

No, I gave you thge source of a book that has evidence you can use for research, but your ignorance will not allow for your brain to look into it.

Why is it that when ever a Christian, who believes in Creationism, gives evidence for evolutionists to look into for the facts we present for our beliefs, all you do is claim we are gi9ving our opinion.

If you will not read the evidence then do notr claim you are debating.

You see, I have had evolution crammed down my throat for over 50 years. I know all your arguments, because I have read all the material you will use to back up your belief, yet you evolutionist always refuse to read what we bring to the table for proof of our stance.

Who is the one who refuses to debate?

You, not I.


55 posted on 04/24/2013 11:19:23 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
No, I gave you thge source of a book that has evidence you can use for research, but your ignorance will not allow for your brain to look into it.

My knowlege of what you've already posited to be evidence tells me this book is unlikely to provide what you claim, and obtaining it will be likely accomplish little more than transferring money from me to the author. I decline to be insulted into contributing to your cause.

56 posted on 04/24/2013 11:39:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Then do not claim you are willing to enter into a debate about creationism vs evolutionism


57 posted on 04/24/2013 2:13:21 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: tacticalogic

I’ll tell you what. Give me your address and I will send you a free copy of the book.

Then you can read it and get educated without spending a dime.


58 posted on 04/24/2013 3:06:56 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Giving your address to zealots on a mission to “educate” you is not a good idea.


59 posted on 04/24/2013 3:55:56 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: OneVike

I believe in God, through his son, Jesus Christ, and thus I allow the scriptures to be my authority for my Christian life just as I accept the Constitution as the authority for my civic life.
I have never been able to believe that man evolved from apes. I can not reconcile that with scripture. However, I don’t understand all the geology and other questions about creation and so I just accept that God created everything while I still enjoy studying History and Science.
I know that God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform. He also said that he confounds the wise and gives wisdom to his children who ask for it.
I don’t claim to know everything and the bible tells me I won’t until I am in heaven with him.
I am and have always been a very skeptical person by nature. It is very hard for me to believe anything unless I search it out for myself.
I know the bible is truly God’s word because from the moment I believed in Jesus, I have never for one moment ever doubted the scriptures. Knowing myself as I do, this causes me to know it is God who gives me the faith to believe it.


60 posted on 04/24/2013 5:49:11 PM PDT by Jude in WV
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