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Police bust alleged moonshine makers in Pennsylvania
upi ^ | April 23, 2013

Posted on 04/24/2013 11:19:43 AM PDT by JoeProBono

MCDONALD, Pa., - Police in Pennsylvania said they responded to a report of two men burning something in a shed and discovered an alleged moonshine making operation.

McDonald police said Midway residents called officers to their neighborhood April 11 with a report of neighbors burning something in a shed and one witness told police he suspected they were making moonshine because he had seen a man loading Mason jars into a vehicle, The (Washington, Pa.) Observer reported Tuesday.

Police said they entered the shed to discover Matthew Zirwas III, 33, and Matthew Kirks, 29, operating what appeared to be an ethanol or moonshine distillery.

Police said the man admitted they had been making moonshine in the shed.

Zirwas and Kirks were both charged with five counts of reckless endangerment and one count each of failure to have a license to make liquor, illegal possession of liquor, disorderly conduct and possession of marijuana.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: atf; drugs; drugwar; legalizeit; moonshine; pennsylvania; prohibition; revenuers; taxes; wod; wodlist
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1 posted on 04/24/2013 11:19:43 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Follow the tax $$$$.


2 posted on 04/24/2013 11:23:16 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JoeProBono

Amish shiners?


3 posted on 04/24/2013 11:23:31 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: JoeProBono
We can't have anyone having fun with a hobby and avoiding taxes at the same time. That would be like . . . bad.
4 posted on 04/24/2013 11:23:43 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

Guess they should have just grown pot....


5 posted on 04/24/2013 11:25:25 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: JoeProBono

Uh oh. Its illegal to distill one’s own ‘shine?


6 posted on 04/24/2013 11:28:50 AM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: JoeProBono

I always thought that it was ok to make one’s own alcohol as long as it was for one’s consumption.


7 posted on 04/24/2013 11:30:07 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: JoeProBono
Amost 2 hrs of Popcorn Sutton .. , the most lovable 'shiner you'll ever meet.

LEGEND

enjoy

8 posted on 04/24/2013 11:32:09 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

The pot growers will get a free pass until it’s legalized and taxed. Then the IRA will show the BATF how enforcement is done.


9 posted on 04/24/2013 11:32:25 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: littleharbour

Freudian slip. I meant IRS!


10 posted on 04/24/2013 11:32:45 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: Jacquerie
See here: http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/faq.shtml#s7

"You may not produce spirits for beverage purposes without paying taxes and without prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant. [See 26 U.S.C. 5601 & 5602 for some of the criminal penalties.] There are numerous requirements that must be met that also make it impractical to produce spirits for personal or beverage use. Some of these requirements are paying special tax, filing an extensive application, filing a bond, providing adequate equipment to measure spirits, providing suitable tanks and pipelines, providing a separate building (other than a dwelling) and maintaining detailed records, and filing reports. All of these requirements are listed in 27 CFR Part 19. Spirits may be produced for non-beverage purposes for fuel use only without payment of tax, but you also must file an application, receive TTB's approval, and follow requirements, such as construction, use, records and reports."

That said, it's most likely that local LEOs will be the ones who get involved. As long as you aren't selling/distributing it, you're unlikely to warrant their attention as long as you aren't too obvious about it. Most have better things to do.
11 posted on 04/24/2013 11:34:33 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: knarf


12 posted on 04/24/2013 11:35:04 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Jacquerie; spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

It is illegal unless one obtains a distillery license which is a daunting and expensive process. The courts sometimes have difficulty getting a “guilty” verdict from a jury of their peers, so they go for the much easier IRS “failure to pay taxes” slam dunk. Good luck getting a non-existent appeal on that one.


13 posted on 04/24/2013 11:35:24 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: JoeProBono

Selling it is the problem. Uninspected, untaxed liquor. Bad juju


14 posted on 04/24/2013 11:36:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: knarf


15 posted on 04/24/2013 11:38:39 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: BipolarBob

Isn’t this the same area of Pennsylvania where the Whiskey Rebellion took place?

Per Wiki:

Throughout counties in Western Pennsylvania, protesters used violence and intimidation to prevent federal officials from collecting the tax. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a U.S. marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise.

The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed men attacked the fortified home of tax inspector General John Neville.

Washington responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on governors to send a militia force to enforce the tax. With 13,000 militia provided by the governors of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, Washington rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency. The rebels all went home before the arrival of the army, and there was no confrontation.

About 20 men were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned.


16 posted on 04/24/2013 11:39:22 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I always thought that it was ok to make one’s own alcohol as long as it was for one’s consumption.

It depends on the laws of the state you do it in. It doesn't become a federal crime until you try to transport it.

My grandfather used to make small amounts of homemade wine in North Carolina. He'd take a gallon jug down to the county tax office and pay the tax on it. Then they'd give him a stamp to put on it.

17 posted on 04/24/2013 11:40:09 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: JoeProBono
He says his wife was the best damned woman to ever shit between a pair of sneakers.
18 posted on 04/24/2013 11:41:42 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SeeSharp

Beer and wine are a different animal from distilled liquors. They are treated totally separate.


19 posted on 04/24/2013 11:41:58 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: littleharbour
Then the IRA will show the BATF how enforcement is done. ...Freudian slip. I meant IRS!

I think you also meant the DEA. BATFE doesn't do pot.

20 posted on 04/24/2013 11:42:50 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Paladin2


21 posted on 04/24/2013 11:43:14 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

They weren’t making moonshine; they were pickling corn.


22 posted on 04/24/2013 11:43:46 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: JoeProBono

Two comments:

1) Was there a Kennedy involve?

2) I teach a college biochemistry course. My students ferment and then distill a small amount of ethanol from sugar. The students all want to take home their brew, even though I explain how unsafe it would be. It’s a fun lab, maybe I should pass out some fake beards next time.


23 posted on 04/24/2013 11:45:33 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: littleharbour

IRA ... IRS ... a distinction without a difference.


24 posted on 04/24/2013 11:46:27 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: SeeSharp

Given the current MSM/Obama Admin/university communist style mentality “ira” was probably correct.


25 posted on 04/24/2013 11:46:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeeSharp

it’s not illegal to make wine or beer at home

just whiskey for some reason


26 posted on 04/24/2013 11:47:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL


27 posted on 04/24/2013 11:51:08 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: tired&retired

At that time cash was very scarce on the frontier. Spirits were often used in lieu of cash. The distillers of this area would have paid the tax in spirits, but the Federal Gov’t. demanded (non-existant) cash.

Also, as the biggest distiller of spirits in those then United States, Washington had a vested interest in keeping down the competition.


28 posted on 04/24/2013 11:56:50 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: JoeProBono

All other problems being solved, let’s crack down on dudes making their own hooch...


29 posted on 04/24/2013 11:58:41 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SeeSharp

Jimmy Carter signed the law that made it legal to make wine and beer at home for personal consumption. Bout the only thing he did right.

Distilling alcohol without a permit is still illegal, even for personal consumption.


30 posted on 04/24/2013 11:59:26 AM PDT by GnL
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To: JoeProBono

Moonshining was invented here in Western PA.

Except we called it the Whiskey Rebellion.
First time a Revenuer would get tarred and feathered.
Second time he’d be shot.


31 posted on 04/24/2013 12:01:20 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tired&retired
Isn’t this the same area of Pennsylvania where the Whiskey Rebellion took place?

Yep. Southwestern outskirts of Pittsburgh. My grandfather was born in this town.


32 posted on 04/24/2013 12:02:11 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I always thought that it was ok to make one’s own alcohol as long as it was for one’s consumption.

Nowadays, beer and wine is okay, but distilled spirits are not legal without federal permission, not even for your own consumption.

33 posted on 04/24/2013 12:06:18 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: JoeProBono

Jack Daniel became a prosperous teenager during CWI by selling to both sides of the conflict.

When SHTF that’s my plan also.


34 posted on 04/24/2013 12:09:23 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: tired&retired


35 posted on 04/24/2013 12:14:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Jacquerie
(we won't tell  ;-)
36 posted on 04/24/2013 12:23:26 PM PDT by tomkat ( nationalis caterva fornicari in processus)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I always thought that it was ok to make one’s own alcohol as long as it was for one’s consumption.

Beer and wine yes, no for distilled alcohol.

37 posted on 04/24/2013 12:35:38 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: JoeProBono

Is that Popcorn?


38 posted on 04/24/2013 12:39:50 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: momtothree

39 posted on 04/24/2013 1:00:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Now that, is a beautiful thing.


40 posted on 04/24/2013 1:02:17 PM PDT by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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41 posted on 04/24/2013 1:04:25 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

What kind of neighbors would report you for making a little moonshine? Not the kind I want, for sure. My grandpa was a moonshiner and I am right proud of that.


42 posted on 04/24/2013 1:08:35 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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What kind of neighbors would report you for making a little moonshine?

LOL

“I live in a rural area and have a family + cows, horses, dogs & cats. “


43 posted on 04/24/2013 1:20:29 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Jacquerie

Laws vary from state to state.


44 posted on 04/24/2013 1:22:45 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Kenton
“Beer and wine yes, no for distilled alcohol.”
Beer and wine making is different for each state. Mississippi and Alabama are the only two states that home brewing beer is illegal. I was involved in introducing a bill before the MS legislature that just passed, it will go into effect July 1st. It only effects wet counties, if you live in a dry county you still can't home brew legally.
45 posted on 04/24/2013 2:18:18 PM PDT by Hotmetal
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To: JoeProBono

That is a great American. Better than any bed wetting pansy politician.


46 posted on 04/24/2013 3:30:24 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: JoeProBono

There will never be another Popcorn Sutton!


47 posted on 04/25/2013 1:48:51 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Roccus

It was the easiest way to haul corn to market and turn it into cash.


48 posted on 04/25/2013 1:51:06 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: JoeProBono
Photo & Video Sharing by SmugMug I'm more than likely some kind of kin, after 250 years in those mountains everyone is kin to everyone else.
49 posted on 04/25/2013 2:00:50 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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50 posted on 04/25/2013 3:01:19 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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