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Why did European DNA suddenly change 4,000 years ago? (Shortened Title)
Mail Online ^ | April 23, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 04/24/2013 5:50:41 PM PDT by Islander7

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To: American Constitutionalist; All
Yes, likely the at least some of the 10 lost tribes of Israel ended up in Western Europe. As far as the time table the world will always stretch out time beyond it's reality.

The LORD let the Israelis prosper and take over. They soon lost their identity as Israelites, but God knows who the descendants of Abraham are. He is keeping all of His promises to Abraham. He would be the father of many nations. The Israelite genes are mingled in all over the world, but in particular in Europe.

When Jesus comes back he will gather the members of the tribes of Israel who are left on earth after the great tribulation, and bring them back to Zion with rejoicing. The Jews already there will be shocked to find out that many of the people of the world who they considered gentiles are actually Israelites. The most surprised will be the Israelites themselves, who find out that they are actually Abraham's descendants.

Much of the Bible is around two subjects which, number one is the story of Christ, and number two the story of God keeping His promise to Abraham and causing his descendants to prosper and be ultimately blessed, and inherit the land of Israel.

Many “gentiles” are of the tribes because God has kept them, unbeknownst to themselves. Their fathers are a long line that trace all the way back to their tribal identity. Others are children of Abraham because somewhere back in their line their father/s or mother/s were Israelites, but though they are children of Abraham, they are not officially Israelites because Israeli identity is usually past through the father. God knows all, and knows the genetic pedigree of every person on earth and has also preserved His chosen Israeli line.

If many of the people who hate the Jews knew that they also have an Israeli genetic background, they might change their minds a bit.

41 posted on 04/26/2013 9:09:26 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: BroJoeK

“But so long as we’ve properly identified your words as mythology and not science,”

Well, either some scientists’ current theories are infallible, or the Bible is infallible. Take your pick. I go with God’s word.


42 posted on 04/26/2013 11:46:42 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: muawiyah
....up until that time people lived West of what is considered modern China.

I was a student of Chinese at the DLI in Monterey in the early 80's. At that time, the professors all had to have received at least a masters degree at a mainland China university. One of them had a masters in history.

He said that the tribal legends of the Han and minority tribes tell of a constant south-easterly migration, back to the earliest identifiable threads.

Yes, tribes. It seems that at least before Mao took over, most Chinese people knew which tribe and sub-grouping they were part of.

43 posted on 04/26/2013 1:29:55 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
Scottish descendents do ~ and the Welsh even have genealogies that go back to 245AD for most, and way before that for some.

I think it's the system of generation names that enable the Chinese to maintain links with their tribal and clan past ~ BTW, some cable systems carry a set of international channels that features shows originating in Big China. Most of them are about archaeological discoveries in recent years. Some fascinating stuff there. But FUR SHUR the Chicoms even buy into the Eastward Ho thesis now. Their oldest stuff is in higher elevations, further West and further North ~ where you could graze animals and control the tigers. They gradually move East and South as the Temperate zone develops and destroys old forests and the game the cats relied on.

44 posted on 04/26/2013 1:35:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

A thousand years from now the inhabitants of Europostan aren’t going to be wondering why it happened in this era.


45 posted on 04/26/2013 1:38:18 PM PDT by techcor
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To: Persevero
Preservero: "Well, either some scientists’ current theories are infallible, or the Bible is infallible.
Take your pick.
I go with God’s word."

You may know, science is not about "infallible" theories, but rather about using confirmed data (aka "facts") to help form testable (falsifiable) hypotheses.
Hypotheses which pass many significant tests are considered "theories".

No "theory" is considered "infallible", but has been accepted until the time when some confirmed test falsifies its predictions.

By sharp contrast, the Bible makes no falsifiable scientific predictions.

46 posted on 04/26/2013 1:39:26 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: muawiyah
muawiyah: "...something caused them to change and they blew further North allowing what had been a year round monsoon season to disappear and be replaced with an intermitent monsoon season..."

Your story is changing.
Please cite a scientific reference supporting your claim of significant climate change in India circa 2,000 BC.

47 posted on 04/26/2013 1:52:28 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

“You may know, science is not about “infallible” theories, but rather about using confirmed data (aka “facts”) to help form testable (falsifiable) hypotheses.”

You may know, that science has used “confirmed” data (aka “facts”) to help form testable hypotheses, which have been presented as facts, which have been found later to be false.

Even today we could cite several such ludicrous theories, (aka “facts”. Global warming is a good one.

God’s word is true, and His history of the world, along with everything else He says, is accurate.

Romans 3:3-4

“For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.”


48 posted on 04/26/2013 1:55:40 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: BlueDragon; ClearCase_guy

I don’t get the reference. Is that Dennis Hopper in the first Speed movie?


49 posted on 04/26/2013 2:06:34 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: CrazyIvan

Good one!


50 posted on 04/26/2013 2:53:16 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: FourtySeven

I’d rather not outline it in too much detail. But I will tell you it was a scene from “True Romance”...where he was telling the Eye-talian mob guys about historical genealogy for Sicilians. Not exactly 4,000 yrs ago, but a while back, still.

One of the memorable scenes of that movie. Just previous to Hopper going into discussing Sicilian heritage issues, when he asks “can I have that cigarette now” is perfect. Hopper was great in that one.


51 posted on 04/26/2013 2:59:17 PM PDT by BlueDragon (on a $10 horse, and a $40 saddle, I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle kmakyyiyippyiA)
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To: BlueDragon; FourtySeven

If anyone is interested, youtube has the scene (brilliant interplay between Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper) just search “True Romance Sicilians”.


52 posted on 04/26/2013 5:26:30 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Bellflower
I would go on to say that, it's " Christian " gentiles that are of the lost tribes of Israel.
And another thing ? ZION shall never be moved.
God established Zion as the mountain of his grace , power, and government.
53 posted on 04/26/2013 9:46:02 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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