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Like William Buckley, I believe adult use of some drugs should be decriminalized. What say you? Zot!

Posted on 04/26/2013 8:31:00 PM PDT by Mason880

My thought is certain recreational drugs, such as marijuana, should remain off legal limits for the under 18 year olds, but become legally available when used in the proper environment. In many ways, pot is quite similar to alcohol, in that they should be used responsibly. My thought is to make the sale of marijuana less profitable by making it legal for home use. Personally, I don't smoke anything now, and do not want the smell of tobacco or pot on my clothes should I visit a public place, such as a shopping mall or bus stop. I know this idea has been kicked around for years, and hasn't really gained traction. My concern is, even if pot was declared legal and open for adult use, how would those newly arrived Mexcian gangs deal with this market loss? Would they end up trying to raid, ruin and close down any public seller of these formerly illegal substances? I think for the first few years, there may be such push back and attempts at intimidation by those losing business to the open market. Its' not really my fight anymore, but, so many cities say they are inching toward bankruptcy, this new open market may help to boost city funds. Yes, it would be a bold step in the cold, deep waters of chance. But it may work. We go rid of prohibition of alcohol, and the country survived the gang's angry wrath back then too.


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1 posted on 04/26/2013 8:31:00 PM PDT by Mason880
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To: Mason880

here’s what I think. I think we have bigger fish to fry. I think there a few existential threats we need address before we start worrying about getting pot laws right.


2 posted on 04/26/2013 8:34:48 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Mason880

I think home stills should be free of taxation and regulation.


3 posted on 04/26/2013 8:36:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Mason880

drug addiction is a scourge of our society. Nothing but ill will come from it.


4 posted on 04/26/2013 8:39:23 PM PDT by RC one (If you see typos, I'm on an iphone.)
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To: DManA

Yeah. I agree with you. Let’s do the immediate life saving steps for our republic before we worry about the hospital food.


5 posted on 04/26/2013 8:40:05 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Mason880

I don’t care if you want to get stoned out of your mind.

Smoke weed.

Shoot heroin.

Snort meth.

Good luck to you.

BUT....

The issue is whether I have to pay for you sitting on your a$$ because you’re a zombie, or your medical expenses when you screw up.

Because with welfare and Obamacare, I’ve got to pay for your idiocy.

So if you want to flush yourself down the toilet, it shouldn’t be on my dime.


6 posted on 04/26/2013 8:40:31 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: Mason880

I despise that simpering patrician WFB, who had no idea what he was talking about, because he never took drugs and didn’t have to live with anyone who did. I have no respect for him, his crappy novels or his libertarian views.


7 posted on 04/26/2013 8:40:56 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mason880

Why only “some?” And who gets to decide which ones?


8 posted on 04/26/2013 8:41:26 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Mason880

State’s issue.

Also, non-issue, when looking at all of the other things we are facing


9 posted on 04/26/2013 8:41:45 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Mason880

We’ll win the War on Drugs like we’ve won the War on Poverty. Next up is the War on Racism, and both Left and Right will join in a Kumbaya.


10 posted on 04/26/2013 8:42:14 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Mason880

This Libertarian Bull Sh*t just gets tiring!

What say you?


11 posted on 04/26/2013 8:42:44 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Mason880

Libertarians = liberals who can balance a checkbook


12 posted on 04/26/2013 8:43:40 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Mason880

Libertarians = liberals who can balance a checkbook


13 posted on 04/26/2013 8:43:40 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Mason880
this country tried prohibition before it didn’t work. a lot of people got rich. sell it in the drug store. take the allure away most people will forgot about it.
14 posted on 04/26/2013 8:44:54 PM PDT by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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To: Revolting cat!

And after that, the wars on burglary, rape and robbery, right?


15 posted on 04/26/2013 8:45:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
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16 posted on 04/26/2013 8:45:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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17 posted on 04/26/2013 8:46:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: DManA
I think there a few existential threats we need address before we start worrying about getting pot laws right.

The next time you're chewing gum, give me a call and I'll help you with your walking.

18 posted on 04/26/2013 8:47:29 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Mason880

I am willing to trade the drug wars for a much smaller government, so we can all live and let live. Those who take the risks will be responsible for the consequences, which means that they may need to seek out charities instead of relying on the government for compassion.

Are you willing to haggle?


19 posted on 04/26/2013 8:47:29 PM PDT by notted
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To: Mason880

You guys always lose your argument with me when you go into how we can save the planet by taxing pot. You need to delete that part of your argument. It ain’t gonna happen. You can grow pot in a pile of dog **** sitting on the floor in the middle of your living room. Who is going to pay for it?


20 posted on 04/26/2013 8:47:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: Mason880

The word “dope” is quite descripive.


21 posted on 04/26/2013 8:49:47 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Mason880

I hope I don’t get in another big back and forth argument with a Libertarian, but since you asked,

no, I don’t think recreational drugs should be legal, because they, to a smaller or greater degree, lower your inhibitions, make you irrational, make you comatose, actually deliver brain damage, make you stupid, make you paranoid, and decrease your motor skills. When you commit crime, or lose your mind, we have to pick up the pieces. It is morally wrong to deliberately make yourself more likely to indulge in criminal behavior, and it is morally wrong to deliberately make yourself more likely to become insane or useless.

yes, I know that daily pot use will do far less damage than daily meth use. I realize it is a matter of degree.

yes, I know there are supposed to be a few people who get high all the time and still apparently are doing well. The exception doesn’t make the rule.

no, I don’t want to wait until the rape or the neglect or the accident or the murder or the robbery, and then arrest the drug abuser. I in fact think we should make it illegal to make ourselves irrational, comatose, hallucinatory, and/or stupid. Like we arrest drunk drivers before they cause an accident. I think that’s the right thing to do.

no, I don’t think alcohol should be illegal, and that’s not because I drink, because I don’t care for it. Alcohol is the ONLY drug, if used in moderation, which does not do any of the above and can actually benefit your health. I don’t think drunkenness should be legal, and I’ll put .10 blood alcohol as where I’d put the legal limit.

no, people don’t use other drugs in moderation. It’s theoretically possible to take one hit of marijuana or one grain of cocaine, but nobody does that, and I get irritated trying to pretend they do. Whereas people have a glass or two of wine, or a beer or two, routinely.

yes, if there is an actual medical purpose to a drug, like meth for 24 hour fliers in combat or pot for glaucoma sufferers, I’d support it (prescribed) if the benefits outweigh the risks.

Anyone who thinks otherwise, answer me this, would you leave your three year old with a babysitter who is snorting coke, or shooting heroin, or sucking on a bong? No you would not. Because you know better. Whereas you’d leave her with a babysitter who is having a glass of wine with her dinner. Because you know that’s fine.


22 posted on 04/26/2013 8:50:29 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: kabumpo

Correction:Buckley smoked pot once. It was on a cruise ship in international waters.


23 posted on 04/26/2013 8:51:42 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Mason880

I think you’ve already seen some good responses. What do you do about DUIs on marijuana (they’re already dealing with that in Colorado and Washington)? What do you do about juveniles getting high and being stupid off older peeps stash? ... In case you don’t know, there are a LOT of pot using peeps who don’t just sit around and get stoned ...


24 posted on 04/26/2013 8:51:59 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: fwdude

Have you noticed how our media and popular culture works?


25 posted on 04/26/2013 8:52:07 PM PDT by DManA
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To: PanzerKardinal

Bingo. The solution to many ills involves taking away that which makes wrongful behavior comfortable & profitable, and recognizing no solution will be without its flaws. Respect a person’s freedom to fail - and fail hard. Respect citizen’s duty to care for each other - without legislating a gun to someone else’s head and saying “you deal with it”.


26 posted on 04/26/2013 8:52:09 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesnÂ’t make bad people harmless.)
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To: PanzerKardinal
So if you want to flush yourself down the toilet, it shouldn’t be on my dime.

Ah, but that's the problem. It most certainly will be on your dime, and nothing will change that, now or in the future.

As for me, I lean towards the Singapore solution.

27 posted on 04/26/2013 8:52:30 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I know, that one ALWAYS cracks me up LOL!


28 posted on 04/26/2013 8:53:38 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Mason880

DUDE!


29 posted on 04/26/2013 8:54:32 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Mason880

We have either given up everything once we’ve done that or we should give up. You think it’s bad now.


30 posted on 04/26/2013 8:57:12 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Big f***ing deal. And Bob the ditchdigger once read a book, that doesn’t make him an authority on literature.


31 posted on 04/26/2013 8:58:26 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mason880

William F. Buckley is dead. William F. Buckley also believed that the Soviets, by targeting American educational institutions demonstrated, didn’t understand how America works.


32 posted on 04/26/2013 8:58:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Mason880
  Prohibition brings crime. I think ending prohibition takes the money out of the drug trade.
33 posted on 04/26/2013 8:59:41 PM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: jrd

Bull crap. On all accounts. Prohibition did work and that commie fdr ended it to destroy America. Weed use will increase and if you dont believe that, youve never been around pot smokers.


34 posted on 04/26/2013 9:01:48 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Mason880

Yes, Legalize pot for 21 and over. By all means tax it. Then let the Marijuana offenders in Jail out. Far too much money is spent and thus the source of corruption in our police and politicians because of the amount of money spent.

Marijuana should be treated much like alcohol as far as home use is concerned. I would rather not have people driving while stoned so don’t make it available in bars and night clubs or gas stations for that matter.

Bring back hemp farming (hemp grown for fiber is a terrible smoke)


35 posted on 04/26/2013 9:03:17 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Mason880

Like William Buckley, I believe adult use of some drugs should be decriminalized. What say you?


I say you are a libtard. Just like Buckley was.


36 posted on 04/26/2013 9:04:15 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I’m fine.”

Spicoli is awesome.


37 posted on 04/26/2013 9:06:06 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: RC one
You may change your tune if you are ever afflicted with chronic pain or bad arthritis. I certainly don't need a nanny government telling me I can't relieve it, or making it next to impossible for doctors to help me.

And my liver would be a lot better off if I could ease the pain with pot instead of what the nanny government "allows" the doctor to perscribe.

38 posted on 04/26/2013 9:06:23 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Persevero

We have a winner!


39 posted on 04/26/2013 9:06:23 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Mason880

Take a hike, Libertarian.


40 posted on 04/26/2013 9:12:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Mason880

There is an extensive body of medical evidence that, for a significantly large slice of the population, marijuana use triggers schizophrenia and other mental disorders. This imposes substantial risks and burdens on the general public.


41 posted on 04/26/2013 9:19:55 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Persevero
Anyone who thinks otherwise, answer me this, would you leave your three year old with a babysitter who is snorting coke, or shooting heroin, or sucking on a bong? No you would not. Because you know better. Whereas you’d leave her with a babysitter who is having a glass of wine with her dinner. Because you know that’s fine.

This is a straw man because you preclude the condition that the babysitter may be an alcohol abuser too. That fact is I wouldn't want any drug abuser, alcohol abuser babysitting for me. Heck, I don't want one that abuses sunflower seeds baby sitting them either.

Marijuana should be legal. Heroin, meth, cocaine shouldn't be. The difference between marijuana and alcohol is << than the difference between marijuana and heroin, meth, cocaine.

You also probably don't know that there are many different types of Marijuana strains all bred for their distinctive highs. There are strains that one shouldn't even consider if you have a natural tendency to paranoia while others are more effective than 2 mg of lorazapam before bedtime. Others still will 'wake you up' to the reality we choose to forget and ignore while straight.

42 posted on 04/26/2013 9:23:55 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Slump Tester

I have no problem with legitimate medical marijuana.


43 posted on 04/26/2013 9:26:06 PM PDT by RC one (If you see typos, I'm on an iphone.)
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To: Mason880

Man? What you been smok’n?


44 posted on 04/26/2013 9:29:58 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RC one

I would make a bet that right now, the vast, vast majority of drug addiction cases in this country ARE NOT illegal drugs, but are legally prescribed anti-depressants, pain medications, sleep aids, etc.

And I would win that bet.


45 posted on 04/26/2013 9:31:29 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: Rockingham
There is an extensive body of medical evidence that, for a significantly large slice of the population, marijuana use triggers schizophrenia and other mental disorders. This imposes substantial risks and burdens on the general public.

Yes, filed between the studies: "black people" are inherently stupid and criminal" and "The autopsy reports from Roswell NM.

Yes, chronic use of Marijuana, just like alcohol or Captn' Crunch or McDonalds is not good for you.

46 posted on 04/26/2013 9:31:57 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Mason880

People smoke it, will smoke it, and will feed the Mexican drug gangs, and that’s that, while we type all this Barbra Streisand here.


47 posted on 04/26/2013 9:33:42 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: RC one

I’m with RC one. A scourge on our society.


48 posted on 04/26/2013 9:33:56 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Paladin2
AMEN! PREACH IT BROTHER!

I can make 250 gallons (who is counting) of beer and/or wine a year legally, but distilling 5 gallons of spirits that I wouldn't drink for at least 7 years makes me a criminal.

It's about the shakedown/protection racket thing. They want the taxes.

/johnny

49 posted on 04/26/2013 9:35:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf

true and they’re a scourge on society too. I tell you this as someone who deals with this population daily. plenty of prescription drug abusers are also street drug abusers and, for that matter, prescription drugs have become street drugs. It’s a huge problem.


50 posted on 04/26/2013 9:40:06 PM PDT by RC one (If you see typos, I'm on an iphone.)
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