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Report: Farmers Hoarding Food To Protect Against Currency Collapse
SHTF Plan ^ | 4/29/13 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 04/29/2013 3:56:22 PM PDT by Kartographer

Argentina is going through the classic stages of economic collapse.

The government seized all pensions. They are destroying everything that gives the people incentive to be a society that emerges from the cooperation of everyone.

When government turns against its own people, even as the USA is currently doing, you end up with deflation insofar as the economy collapses and wages are not available, while hoarding emerges as does barter.

source: Martin Armstrong

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1 posted on 04/29/2013 3:56:22 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper’s PING!!


2 posted on 04/29/2013 3:57:10 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Oh yes, here it comes.


3 posted on 04/29/2013 3:57:15 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Kartographer

What in God’s name is holding the markets up? You would think people would withdraw their funds and begin to convert to tangible assets. ????


4 posted on 04/29/2013 3:57:52 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Kartographer

If you are not hoarding er prepping you better get busy.


5 posted on 04/29/2013 4:00:12 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

> What in God’s name is holding the markets up? You would think people would withdraw their funds and begin to convert to tangible assets. ????

A Straw man with promises of hope and change with the MSM lying for him daily.


6 posted on 04/29/2013 4:00:24 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kartographer

They had their Perons; we now have ours :(


7 posted on 04/29/2013 4:10:31 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The treasury is pumping in $85 billion a month into the stock market, a market that is only $15 trillion in the first place. In other words, the fed is putting in 8% ($1.035 trillion) each year for the past 5 years. According to some report the fed has put in over $3.2 trillion.

You’ve heard this as “Quantitative Easing (QE)”.

The big question is if the fed is propping up the market with 8% per year, why hasn’t the market grown by at least that much?


8 posted on 04/29/2013 4:16:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad
The big question is if the fed is propping up the market with 8% per year, why hasn’t the market grown by at least that much?

Asset values on paper have - relative to the true value.

9 posted on 04/29/2013 4:22:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

The market hasn’t grown 8% per year, much less 32% in total.


10 posted on 04/29/2013 4:37:58 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
What in God’s name is holding the markets up?

I don't know. From what I've heard it's the combination of the Fed printing money at 80+ billion and month and keeping interest rates so low that there's no reason to invest in bonds, so investors gravitate to the stock market.

I'm like you-- I thought the market would have collapsed a year or more ago. The gains have been so significant I've taken a portion (25%) of my 401k and put it back in normal risk. *Gulp!*

11 posted on 04/29/2013 4:38:37 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: Kartographer
Argentina is going through the classic stages of economic collapse.

Didn't Argentina have an economic collapse already, some years ago?

12 posted on 04/29/2013 4:39:59 PM PDT by Mark17 (My body is in California, but my heart is in the Philippines)
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To: Stepan12

Sad, but true.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 4:41:33 PM PDT by Jane Long (I know it's only been four years, but I'm already SO sick of this socialism!)
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To: CodeToad

The markets aren’t growing by the Fed’s 8% injection each year because the overall wealth in the U.S. is substantially larger than the $15 Trillion size of the markets.


14 posted on 04/29/2013 4:47:06 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

>> “What in God’s name is holding the markets up? You would think people would withdraw their funds and begin to convert to tangible assets. ????” <<

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Lots of investment advisors have turned government shills, and are predicting massive gains for investors.

What they’re not telling is that when the facade cracks there will be no opportunity to turn paper investments into liquid assets.


15 posted on 04/29/2013 4:47:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Kartographer

Argentina is just a lot further down the same road that this country is on. That tormented land has been stumbling around in a fever swamp since at least the time of the rise of Juan and Eva Peron, and was on a downhill slide a long time before they came along.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 4:51:43 PM PDT by alloysteel (Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“If you are not hoarding er prepping you better get busy.”

Hoarding happens when there is not enough of something and a person takes a lot of it to store and others can't get it.

Today, there is plenty of food and water. If one buys all the canned green beans, the shelf will be full again in the next day or so based on when the next truck comes and other stores are still full of it. Every one has access to food right now so no one can be accused of hoarding.

An example of hoarding: When the cruise ship was dead in the water several weeks ago and no more food had been sent by boats to the ship, people were in serving lines for food. People put food on their plate, then put more food in their pockets and purses. The crew serving saw this and asked people not to take extra food as the people behind them in line needed food, too. That didn't stop the people and they kept HOARDING food. They didn't care if the people behind them got food or not. That is HOARDING.

There is no way I would have taken more than my share in a case like that.

It does tell us a truth - that truth is, when there is a finite amount of food, people will steal it and not care if you die.

They did it on a ship for goodness sake and there was no way they were going to starve. How much more determined would they be if there actually was only a certain amount available for a long time - they will kill you for it.

17 posted on 04/29/2013 4:53:29 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
What in God’s name is holding the markets up?

Profits. The bottom hasn't fallen out yet. It will -- but it hasn't yet.

18 posted on 04/29/2013 4:57:22 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: CodeToad

But has the true value shrunk by something close to 8% per year, with that decline hidden by federal dollars pumped into the market?


19 posted on 04/29/2013 4:58:23 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Marcella

>> “...they will kill you for it.” <<

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Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?


20 posted on 04/29/2013 5:07:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Pollster1

There is no common “true value”. The value is whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

The truest value of a company stock is number f shares divided into whatever the company can be sold for. That hasn’t been 1 or less of a divisor in over 100 years.


21 posted on 04/29/2013 5:18:25 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Southack

Overall wealth in the US isn’t a factor in the markets. The injection should either prop up stock prices or expand the stock base with new shares of stock being issues.


22 posted on 04/29/2013 5:19:36 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: editor-surveyor
“Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

The ship hoarding really got to me because they started their hoarding so fast and cared nothing about the rest of the people - they turned into Piranha fish immediately, willingly stripping other people of food if there wasn't enough. I am so sure our FR preppers would not have done that - instead we would have shared off our own plate to someone who had none.

Who were these people who didn't care if the others starved? My guess is they were Hussein's voters.

23 posted on 04/29/2013 5:30:40 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Bingo!


24 posted on 04/29/2013 5:38:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Kartographer

When the SHTF, it will be worldwide. Food will be a primary problem for almost everyone for months or years. Subsistence living will be the only way to survive long term. Yet, there are probably few areas left in the USA where that is possible, especially as millions of people will be trying to do the same thing in the same limited areas.

It may surprise people to know that there are places where it is almost impossible to starve.

Take Costa Rica. Numerous fruits & vegetables grow wild. The fruit rots on the ground in places. The soil is so rich that a green stick jammed into the ground becomes a tree. There is plenty of game & fish for the taking.

Much of tropical Central & South America is like this - tropical islands in the Caribbean, too. The USA, not so much.

When the SHTF, millions in the US will starve or die trying to feed themselves & their families. City dwellers are doomed. That’s not nearly as likely in a place where you can gather food in your back yard.

I’m just saying...


25 posted on 04/29/2013 5:46:23 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Marcella
Who were these people who didn't care if the others starved?

The ones that come on prepper threads and say they don't have to prep, they'll just take what they need from the preppers.....

/johnny

26 posted on 04/29/2013 5:53:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mister Da
Yet, there are probably few areas left in the USA where that is possible

You might be surprised then that some people are already living that lifestyle.

/johnny

27 posted on 04/29/2013 5:55:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

How long can you store soybeans in a silo before they get eaten by mice, mold or mildew?


28 posted on 04/29/2013 6:08:18 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Mister Da
That’s not nearly as likely in a place where you can gather food in your back yard.

Those with backyard gardens will have them stripped bare unless they have a goodly number of sentries. However, if you have enough sentries, then your little backyard garden isn't going be large enough to feed them all.

29 posted on 04/29/2013 6:13:17 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Kartographer
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30 posted on 04/29/2013 6:18:14 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What in God’s name is holding the markets up? You would think people would withdraw their funds and begin to convert to tangible assets. ????

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What is actually happening is the devaluation of the dollar(deliberatie action by Government/FED). This means that prices of everything go up, and that includes stocks, not just food, gas, etc. It’s just the market reflecting that it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of stock.

Hence it’s not that stocks are so great, it’s that the dollar is so bad. The only thing saving us so far is that the Dollar is still the reserve currency of the world, and other countries are bad off too - many even worse than we are so far, as well as the normalcy bias of the dollar being seen as the safe currency to hold.

When the dollar crashes(as it appears Obama’s masters want, just like when the British Sterling lost reserve currency status, the USA will be in even more trouble than it already is).


31 posted on 04/29/2013 6:25:38 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The problem those people you refer to will have is all the other people not so well prepared.

Unless you are well isolated, bands of scroungers will eventually overwhelm your farm, stealing crops & animals, maybe killing you in the process. The Haves will have a serious problem with the Have Nots. There will be far more of the latter than the former.

You may win every battle but the last, as your determined defense makes whatever you've got appear ever more valuable to those determined to take it.

I realize there are places to hide & flourish, but they wont accommodate many, nor will they remain hidden for long, as the cities empty into the countryside searching for food & relative safety from the jackals. The jackals will follow, if they do not lead the way. Once you are discovered, your peril increases dramatically.

32 posted on 04/29/2013 6:30:56 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Sawdring
How long can you store soybeans in a silo before they get eaten by mice, mold or mildew?

Seriously? Do you have any idea how large a silo is? Against my better judgement, I'll bite. Silos aren't for for extended long term storage. They are for short to moderate length of storage until you can sell it or the market comes up. That's why you see many silos along railroads. Low oxygen silos will keep your beans longer. Dry the beans and package them in containers where varmits can't get to it. Keep what you'll use as seed for next season. Sell or barter the 95% of the beans left in the silo. Get some cats to take care of the mice or serve the zombies roasted mice. Sow the beans you saved for planting the next Spring and repeat the cycle.

33 posted on 04/29/2013 6:31:53 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Sawdring

You only need to store them till the next planting cycle with maybe a few extras just in case of crop failure. Almost everyone has enough room in their back yard to grow crops to keep their family from starving.

It is more of a challenge in Norhtern States, but in central and southern areas, high protein grains and some types of beans can even be grown in the winter time.


34 posted on 04/29/2013 6:33:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: All

Regarding the rural food that metrosexuals plan to take: we’re ready for you. For the humble few who plan to grow it, you’ll need about 2,000 pounds of fertilizer, 10 gallons of diesel, 2-3000 seeds and about three months of canned food per acre to start or you’ll have to survive all year on summer’s weeds.


35 posted on 04/29/2013 6:35:25 PM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: Mister Da
I'm not convinced that the cities will empty into hoards covering the countryside. Transport via shoeleather isn't something your average EBT card holder is used to. Much less identifiying plants and knowing how to use them. Not to mention having the calories to handle the walk and hardship to get to farms and rural spots.

I would expect a very, very large die off in the cities in days or weeks.

Those of us that have spent years and have experience in subsistance level feeding stand a pretty good chance.

/johnny

36 posted on 04/29/2013 6:36:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bgill

That’s were the weeds, flowers, and crops that naturalize come in. Even if they hit the gardens, many will not know about the edible landscaping that exists.

Plus the indoors growing areas can yield a lot if you have southern or western exposures. Even patio plants that can be brought indoors for protection when needed.

Among other prep solutions which shall remain unspoken.


37 posted on 04/29/2013 6:37:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer
Goodbye To Economic Austerity
38 posted on 04/29/2013 6:37:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: greeneyes; bgill

The article says farmers are storing their soybeans because of inflation. I doubt you would want to store soybeans in a silo for more than a year. You have to also recoup the costs of planting and I’m sure you can’t just replant the soybeans you have without having a problem with the conglomerate you bought the seeds from.


39 posted on 04/29/2013 6:43:59 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: bgill
“Those with backyard gardens will have them stripped bare unless they have a goodly number of sentries.”

My small garden is enclosed with high brick walls - no one can see it and they can't get to it. It was that way when I bought this place so was accidental good luck. I'm making preparations so I can grow more food there, plus I'm learning how to grow food.

40 posted on 04/29/2013 6:46:46 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: RHS Jr
Subsistance farming is done all over the world without the commercial fertilizer and the diesel. Everyone, of course needs seeds.

All the fertilizer, diesel, and chemicals do is give you time for a life outside of tending your little plot of ground. ;)

/johnny

41 posted on 04/29/2013 6:49:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella

Something else people living in cities better get through their thick skulls.

That inner city Micky D, KFC eating crowd isn’t content with a MRE, hungry or not. Seen that too many times after a hurricane. Throwing an MRE in the trash and wanting to know why Micky D wasn’t open.

Govt there handing out food isn’t enough.

If they know you have something besides MRE’s to eat they will take it.


42 posted on 04/29/2013 6:52:11 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Sawdring

It is plain that the farmers are planning on holding out for a higher price down the road, not forever, although you could take them to a cannery and have them canned to last 20 years if you wanted to hoard them for your own personal use.

If you buy heirloom open pollinated seeds, you don’t have to worry about some conglomerate’s rules. The companies who sell open pollinated seeds won’t bother you, and in fact sometimes will even give you info on how to save your seeds to use again.

It all depends on whether you want to do what it takes to be independent, or be beholden to the gonglomerate.


43 posted on 04/29/2013 7:09:24 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
gonglomerate = conglomerate
44 posted on 04/29/2013 7:10:30 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: IMR 4350; JRandomFreeper

“If they know you have something besides MRE’s to eat they will take it.”

The inner city ones will stay in the inner city and kill each other off. Some will then try to get to rural areas since they think anyone living in a rural area has plenty of water and food. That is not correct. Most people living in rural areas get their food at the grocery store. If they have a well, they can’t get the water since the power is off.

The ones who try to leave the inner city will get to one tank of gas out of the city maximum, and be stuck there unless they walk and they are already weak.

In Texas, there will not be many who make it out of the city as they will be shot and killed dead, real dead.


45 posted on 04/29/2013 7:10:51 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Lucky us, we have group camps already setup for the displaced. One at the old Richards Gebaur airfield- airport in Belton, Mo and the other at Fort Leavenworth. Need food, water, shelter or clothing? Go to the camps. You will never go home. Courtesy of FEMA.


46 posted on 04/29/2013 7:13:27 PM PDT by x_plus_one (John Ransom: truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: Marcella
Almost nothing in my pantry or fridge is anything an EBT person would know what to do with.

I actually cook from scratch. That's almost a lost skill in America, from what I see.

/johnny

47 posted on 04/29/2013 7:15:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

“If you buy heirloom open pollinated seeds,...”

I did get heirloom seeds sealed for long term storage and it was suggested to freeze them for even better storage so they are in the freezer.

I’m looking at large containers with wheels that have wire to hold tomatoes up and other crops like pole beans. I could put a number of those on the raised outside deck. They also have that method of watering from the bottom up.


48 posted on 04/29/2013 7:18:13 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Those sound good for you and your situation. I didn’t buy any hybrids this year for the first time. At the rate our weather is stopping the progress of planting, It sometimes seems I’ll never have my crops planted.LOL


49 posted on 04/29/2013 7:21:17 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: x_plus_one
I figure I'm here on the ground I was born on... it works for a place to die, if required. I certainly won't be displaced.

/johnny

50 posted on 04/29/2013 7:23:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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