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Quick question: Texas teacher organization?
4/29/13 | Texas_Teacher

Posted on 04/29/2013 11:17:47 PM PDT by Texas_Teacher

I am a teacher in Texas, and I am looking to join a teacher organization, but don't want something like a union, nor do I want to pay dues to an organization that will misrepresent me and my conservative / libertarian principles.

Which is the best one? TSTA? TCTA? ATPE? I've avoided signing up with one for more than a decade, and have never really thought I'd need one. A colleague suggested I do so, and I don't know who to pick, since they are all fairly ambiguous in their mission statements.

Help!


TOPICS: Education; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: vanity

1 posted on 04/29/2013 11:17:47 PM PDT by Texas_Teacher
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To: Texas_Teacher

To start with TSTA is the Texas affiliate of the NEA a scourge on all of education. The other to are pretty much wanna be unions. In states that are not right to work ( places like California and Illinois) they are huge political lobbying organizations designed to keep parents at bay and to feather the nests of the union leaders.

There is no ration reason to join such organizations. All are out to get your dues so they can lobby the various legislatures to get more goodies for themselves (less and less work; less and less accountability; more and more pay and benefits). You have done fine for ten years just keep on keeping on


2 posted on 04/29/2013 11:53:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Texas_Teacher
Why did your colleague “suggest” you join one after 10 years?
3 posted on 04/30/2013 1:39:52 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Texas_Teacher

http://conservativeteachersofamerica.com/ looks interesting—they’re promoting Hillsdale’s course on the Constitution.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 2:57:16 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Texas_Teacher

Welcome to FR!!! And you joined to ask this after 10 years as a teacher?? I’m with the previous reply that questioned why your colleague suggested you join any organization. If there are issues in your building or district or with your principal, you can be assured that any contract you signed is so one-sided as to be worthless. It really doesn’t matter if you belong to an “association” that tries to act like a union, the contract is written to favor the school board and any group negotiations are just kabuki theater. If you didn’t individually negotiate your contract (and I know you didn’t), then spending money for “representation” makes no sense for doing it collectively.

Here’s the bottom line: your political views do not align with your career choice. Teaching and teachers are one of the most socialist careers and groups. You are a goat in a herd of sheep. In some ways, a goat can hide in herd of sheep since they make similar sounds but it’s still a goat and will be found out. So the choice for you becomes whether you can subsume your politics in order to blend in to the group or if being a proud libertarian goat really matters in your chosen career setting.


5 posted on 04/30/2013 3:04:34 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Join the NRA. You will learn something useful there....


6 posted on 04/30/2013 3:13:37 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: T-Bird45

I also teach in Texas. it has been my experience that while there are plenty of loons that worship at the altar of 0bama, the vast majority are very conservative. Keep in mind, we are in Texas.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 4:14:08 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: Texas_Teacher
If you've survived and enjoyed 10 years as a Texas Teacher, why pay anyone any money to speak for you?

Union members are sheep, and many that are in states that require membership wished that they didn't have to be in one.

8 posted on 04/30/2013 4:23:28 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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Most teachers join unions for the promise of legal support by union lawyers. However, a teacher can buy liability insurance as a rider on their homeowners insurance for very few dollars a year. Check with your insurance agent before you join a teachers union.


9 posted on 04/30/2013 4:33:08 AM PDT by abclily
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To: gop4lyf

Since I’m in OK, I fully understand TX and its basic conservatism. I also understand teachers and their basic makeup since my wife is a retired speech-pathologist that worked in elementary education for 28 years. Some are clearly conflicted between the educator “hive mentality” and their innate conservative nature. Life is full of choices and some create unexpected challenges.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 5:23:30 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Texas_Teacher

Unless things have changed greatly in 7 years, I was a member of ATPE. At the time it was well run and conservative. I joined strictly for the legal representation if ever needed.


11 posted on 04/30/2013 6:18:00 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: T-Bird45; Texas_Teacher; gop4lyf
Here’s the bottom line: your political views do not align with your career choice. Teaching and teachers are one of the most socialist careers and groups. You are a goat in a herd of sheep. In some ways, a goat can hide in herd of sheep since they make similar sounds but it’s still a goat and will be found out. So the choice for you becomes whether you can subsume your politics in order to blend in to the group or if being a proud libertarian goat really matters in your chosen career setting.
Having said that, God bless any FReeper who can work in education!

I opted for an engineering degree, but three of my grandparents and both my parents taught school. My father, not having a degree, took war work and we ended up moving from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania during WWII. Teaching was something I assumed I could do, but which I assumed didn’t pay all that well. Well, in retrospect I might have done just as well, when I saw how things worked out. But I wouldn’t have been happy in a union; I was shocked when my mother walked a picket line when the union started. Not as much as I was when my daughter’s teacher lied to my face during a contract negotiation (and I had no other capacity than parent), knowing that I would find out it had been a lie - but still . . .

There’s quite a bit of enthusiasm for homeschooling on FR, and after giving it some thought I concluded that homeschooling, as the limiting case of parental involvement in a child’s education, was highly likely to produce good educational results. And that at worst, the parent would learn a lot, which is not something to scorn in its own right. There being no want of public schools in which there is no guarantee of receiving a good education, it is not warranted IMHO to hold homeschoolers to a standard which not all public schools actually live up to.

12 posted on 04/30/2013 7:49:01 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Texas_Teacher

My wife joined TSTA, mainly because of the in-class insurance in case a student claims something idiotic.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 7:53:46 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (G.K. Chesterton, “Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It’s been found hard and lef)
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To: Texas_Teacher

Thanks for the input.

I’ve avoided it for a decade because unions are anathema to me. I’m a teacher because I want to effect change from within the given system (”become the beast to defeat the beast” sorta thing).

I’m mainly interested in the legal protection (not at I need it), but with the state of public education (which CAN BE a good thing), any organization that tries to make positive changes should be supported. If I can be a part of that, I will be. I just don’t want my support going to NEA-type groups.


14 posted on 04/30/2013 10:21:58 PM PDT by Texas_Teacher
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