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Business Insider: 9 Ways California Is Way Better Than Texas
Business Insider ^ | 05/01/2013 | Rob Wile

Posted on 05/01/2013 7:24:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

We recently did a head-to-head comparison of the benefits of living in California versus those for Texas.

California won by a hair.

The impetus for the piece was the burgeoning rivalry between the two states, which heated up after Texas Gov. Rick Perry ran a series of ads touting his state's friendlier business climate.

But we wanted to narrow in a bit more on all the things California has to offer that Gov. Perry may have ignored. To be clear, we have nothing against Texas — some of us are products of their finest schools.

We just think people need to be reminded that the Golden State still has a lot going for it.

1) California has lower property tax rates.

The average is 0.80%, compared with Texas' 1.74%.

Source: Tax Foundation

2) College graduation rates there are impressive.

California graduates 34.8% of its college students in four years, and 65.1% in six. Compare that with 24.4% and 49.0%, respectively, for Texas.

Source: Chronicle of Higher Education

3) Students get better SAT scores (though slightly fewer take them).

The average California high school student's score is 1513. In Texas it's 1446.

Source: College Board

4)The state is above average in terms of children enrolled in day care.

Just 39% of kids are not enrolled in child care in California. In Texas? 44%.

Source: KidsCount.org

5) If you're a Californian, you're less likely to die.

The 2010 mortality rate for California was 646.8 per 100,000. In Texas it's 772.3.

Source: Governing.com

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1 posted on 05/01/2013 7:24:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Lols! We change both states!!!


2 posted on 05/01/2013 7:25:58 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: SeekAndFind
"5) If you're a Californian, you're less likely to die."

Uhhhh, I'm pretty sure the liklihood of dying is 100% everywhere in the world.

3 posted on 05/01/2013 7:26:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump card: Mexi-forninicatia is liberal and is doomed. Texas is not and will prosper.

Besides, who’s gonna pay for all the food stamps after the “big one”?


4 posted on 05/01/2013 7:26:42 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

I am laughing!


5 posted on 05/01/2013 7:27:27 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: SeekAndFind
California won by a hair.

Probably a pubic hair. If California is so great, why are they all moving to red states?

6 posted on 05/01/2013 7:27:51 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I got expelled from the "fundamental transformation" indoctrination center.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Blah blah blah.

Stuck in California right now, but seriously it’s getting worse here all the time.


7 posted on 05/01/2013 7:29:01 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: SeekAndFind

Facts misinterpreted and inappropriately compared. Compares meaningless facts that the authors try to convince the reader are separable, but really influenced by other more intangible things like freedom, sovereignty and the like. Largely cherry picked useless information.

Unadulterated hogwashed horse shit.


8 posted on 05/01/2013 7:29:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

Having more kids enrolled in day care is not necessarily better, except to the parents-by-remote-control. Those parents who actively raise their children, or even *gasp* homeschool them, wouldn’t have them enrolled in day care, without this being anything bad or disfavorable. (Similarly, if CA had more people on welfare, food stamps, or living in public housing, that wouldn’t be better either.)


9 posted on 05/01/2013 7:30:06 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As far as I’m concerned, the frame titled ‘double bonus’ only advantage that matters.


10 posted on 05/01/2013 7:30:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Why? So they can turn those states blue too. Such as Colorado. (Regrettably.)


11 posted on 05/01/2013 7:30:55 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: circlecity

Uhhhh, I’m pretty sure the liklihood of dying is 100% everywhere in the world.

*************

I think that number lower because I suspect a larger number of people that reach retirement age pick up and move out of CA. Thus they die in some other location. A retirement/relocation number would be interesting.


12 posted on 05/01/2013 7:31:19 AM PDT by deport
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To: SeekAndFind

61% of Californian kids are being watched by people other than their parents, and that is a GOOD thing? Not too thrilled with 56% of Texan kids in the same situation, but more kids in day care is awful!


13 posted on 05/01/2013 7:31:43 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - New Robin Hood book out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well now, that should be pretty embarrassing for Californians. That list is the best they could do?

California probably has more trees too, they forgot about that on. I’m sure there are more spotted owls in CA. That’s relevant based on what they are presenting.

Most of what is in this piece points to CA government spending and nanny state control, which CA is obviously bery proud of.


14 posted on 05/01/2013 7:31:56 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Heck, any such comparisons can be manipulated, based on whatever criteria people use. Here, certain criteria were cherry picked to make California look better.

And, there is background info missing. For example, they indicate that California has a lower average property tax rate. But, housing and business property is much more expensive in California. So, the actual property tax burden may well be more in California, if a lower rate is applied to a higher property value basis.


15 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:22 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: circlecity

“On a long enough timeline, everyone’s survival rate drops to zero.”


16 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:26 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is farcically easy to rebut.

The property tax claim is monumentally dumb simply because in TX houses are not massively inflated in value due to land use restrictions like they are in CA. Paying 2x the tax rate on a house with is 1/4 the assessed value, isn’t too intimidating.

Also the idea that more kids are in child care is a good thing boggles the mind. I mean does this moron think that for the lack of child care, the kids are feral or something? The kids are probably with their mothers instead.

As for the SAT scores, damn I didn’t realize how bad SAT score inflation had gotten. Back in my day average was meant to be 1000-1100. The scores they cite as average now used to be elite. I can assure people this is not due to smarter kids.


17 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:30 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is all true dear Liberals. Please stay in your lovely state of California.


18 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:46 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Stuck in California right now, but seriously it’s getting worse here all the time.

Pack up the wagon. Head east to the lands of Milk and Honey. California's best days are long behind her.

19 posted on 05/01/2013 7:34:02 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 ("The British are Coming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: SeekAndFind

Rob Wile is an energy and economics reporter for Business Insider. He majored in history at Columbia University and earned a Masters in Journalism from Northwestern University’s Medill School. He grew up in Chicago.

Contact:

e-mail:
rwile@businessinsider.com

Pic: http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/513c94e16bb3f7887500001b-195/rob-wile.jpg

This is a total BS article.

The first item mentioned was higher property taxes in Texas, but remember the price of property in CA is in most cases 4-10 time higher. So, the taxes paid in Texas are MUCH less on the same property.

I have seen the tripe before, it is nonsense.


20 posted on 05/01/2013 7:34:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: SeekAndFind
"If you're a Californian, you're less likely to die."

They've got that going for 'em.....Let them stay out there and stay the heck out of Texas. Unless, of course there's a good conservative Californian that wants to come here...............say like JimRob!

21 posted on 05/01/2013 7:34:40 AM PDT by basil (basil --Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

US CENSUS POPULATION AND MIGRATION TRENDS


22 posted on 05/01/2013 7:34:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They left out the difference in income tax. That’s right; Texas doesn’t have one. Just a minor difference.

How about those home prices? Prices in California are at least four times higher. Can get a brand new 2500 SF house with upgrades in Texas for about $150,000.


23 posted on 05/01/2013 7:34:55 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeekAndFind

1. Okay, but Texas has no state income tax.
2. So what? I’m of the opinion that the overemphasis on sending everyone to college has cheapened the value of a degree.
3. Not sure a high SAT score really predicts anything; I got 1340 on mine and struggled mightily to maintain a B- average in college.
4. So what?
5. You’ll eventually die no matter where you live.
6. That’s weightist!!
7. We can thank (or blame) the ARB for this one. They are doing their level best to drive out the productive classes.
8. Texas may have fewer national parks, but I’m willing to bet more Texans are able to visit them.
9. I think the authors of this piece were running out of ways to make California look better than Texas.
Bonus: Now they’re really reaching.
Double Bonus: Gulf of Mexico, anyone?


24 posted on 05/01/2013 7:34:55 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some people take there grammar way to seriously.)
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To: Tenacious 1

25 posted on 05/01/2013 7:36:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What a bunch of junk. Higher graduation rates? Well, you get that if you lower your standards. Slightly higher property taxes? More than offset by California’s insane income taxes. Higher SAT scores? Sure, if less people out of a larger population take the test. Etc.


26 posted on 05/01/2013 7:36:08 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Spin.


27 posted on 05/01/2013 7:36:19 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: basil

Not sure I’m a “good” conservative, but I’d gladly move to Texas if I could find a job out there.


28 posted on 05/01/2013 7:36:58 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some people take there grammar way to seriously.)
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To: coloradan

I thought the same thing. Why would anyone think that a higher percentage of children in daycare would be better than a lower percentage?


29 posted on 05/01/2013 7:37:17 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: MNDude
Bears repeating: This is all true dear Liberals. Please stay in your lovely state of California.
30 posted on 05/01/2013 7:38:50 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

State income tax is way lower in TX (zero).


31 posted on 05/01/2013 7:39:53 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s just like the “new New York” commercials... Pure rubbish.


32 posted on 05/01/2013 7:41:21 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Comparing income tax rates as well as property tax rates might provide a clearer picture. Texas doesn’t even have a personal income tax, does it?


33 posted on 05/01/2013 7:42:48 AM PDT by Bob
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To: SeekAndFind
Your graphic says what I was just about to post...

Why are SO many Kalifornians moving to Texas, DAILY??!!

PLEASE STAY IN KA....IT'S SOOOO MUCH BETTER. /s

34 posted on 05/01/2013 7:43:16 AM PDT by Jane Long (I know it's only been four years, but I'm already SO sick of this socialism!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is such BS. What’s next, an article trumpeting the wonderful benefits of living in the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois?


35 posted on 05/01/2013 7:43:28 AM PDT by Marathoner (Impeach Obama, Holder, Big Sis, and throw in IL Gov Quinn for good measure)
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To: SeekAndFind

By itself the property tax number is useless. The only number that matters in that regard is the total tax burden, State, county, and local.

L


36 posted on 05/01/2013 7:44:59 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And how much state debt has California compared to Texas?


37 posted on 05/01/2013 7:46:41 AM PDT by crz
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

You can find a job in Texas. Maybe not exactly what you want to start out, but there are plenty of jobs for people not afraid of work.


38 posted on 05/01/2013 7:47:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SeekAndFind
Are you kidding? They talk about ~1% difference in property tax and ignore the income tax?

California Withholding Tax Rate - Table 5: Effective January 1, 2013 (Revised due to CA Prop. 30)

Biweekly Payroll Period

Monthly Payroll Period

Single Persons, Dual Income Married, or Married with Multiple Employers

Single Persons, Dual Income Married, or Married with Multiple Employers

If Taxable Income Is...

Computed Tax Is...

If Taxable Income Is...

Computed Tax Is...

Over

But Not Over

The % in this column times »

Amount Over
(Taxable income less amount in this column)

The total of this column plus »

Over

But Not Over

The % in this column times »

Amount Over
(Taxable income less amount in this column)

The total of this column plus »

0

286

1.10%

0

0

0

622

1.10%

0

0

286

680

2.20%

286

3.15

622

1,474

2.20%

622

6.84

680

1,072

4.40%

680

11.82

1,474

2,324

4.40%

1,474

25.58

1,072

1,490

6.60%

1,072

29.07

2,324

3,228

6.60%

2,324

62.98

1,490

1,882

8.80%

1,490

56.66

3,228

4,078

8.80%

3,228

122.64

1,882

9,616

10.23%

1,882

91.16

4,078

20,834

10.23%

4,078

197.44

9,616

11,538

11.33%

9,616

882.35

20,834

25,000

11.33%

20,834

1,911.58

11,538

19,230

12.43%

11,538

1,100.11

25,000

41,666

12.43%

25,000

2,389.59

19,230

38,462

13.53%

19,230

2,056.23

41,666

83,334

13.53%

41,666

4,455.17

38,462

Over

14.63%

38,462

4,658.32

83,334

Over

14.63%

83,334

10,092.85

Married Persons

Married Persons

If Taxable Income Is...

Computed Tax Is...

If Taxable Income Is...

Computed Tax Is...

Over

But Not Over

The % in this column times »

Amount Over
(Taxable income less amount in this column)

The total of this column plus »

Over

But Not Over

The % in this column times »

Amount Over
(Taxable income less amount in this column)

The total of this column plus »

0

572

1.10%

0

0

0

1,244

1.10%

0

0

572

1,360

2.20%

572

6.29

1,224

2,948

2.20%

1,244

13.68

1,360

2,144

4.40%

1,360

23.63

2,948

4,648

4.40%

2,948

51.17

2,144

2,980

6.60%

2,144

58.13

4,648

6,456

6.60%

4,648

125.97

2,980

3,764

8.80%

2,980

113.31

6,456

8,156

8.80%

6,456

245.30

3,764

19,232

10.23%

3,764

182.30

8,156

41,668

10.23%

8,156

394.90

19,232

23,076

11.33%

19,232

1,764.68

41,668

50,000

11.33%

41,668

3,823.18

23,076

38,462

12.43%

23,076

2,200.21

50,000

83,334

12.43%

50,000

4,767.20

38,462

Over

14.63%

38,462

4,112.69

83,334

Over

14.63%

83,334

8,910.62

Unmarried Heads of Households

Unmarried Heads of Households

If Taxable Income Is...

Computed Tax Is...

If Taxable Income Is...

Computed Tax Is...

Over

But Not Over

The % in this column times »

Amount Over
(Taxable income less amount in this column)

The total of this column plus »

Over

But Not Over

The % in this column times »

Amount Over
(Taxable income less amount in this column)

The total of this column plus »

0

574

1.10%

0

0

0

1,244

1.10%

0

0

574

1,360

2.20%

574

6.31

1,244

2,946

2.20%

1,244

13.68

1,360

1,752

4.40%

1,360

23.60

2,946

3,798

4.40%

2,946

51.12

1,752

2,170

6.60%

1,752

40.85

3,798

4,700

6.60%

3,798

88.61

2,170

2,562

8.80%

2,562

68.44

4,700

5,552

8.80%

4,700

148.14

2,562

13,076

10.23%

2,562

102.94

5,552

28,334

10.23%

5,552

223.12

13,076

15,692

11.33%

13,076

1,178.52

28,334

34,000

11.33%

28,334

2,553.72

15,692

26,154

12.43%

15,692

1,474.91

34,000

56,666

12.43%

34,000

3,195.68

26,154

38,462

13.53%

26,154

2,775.34

56,666

83,334

13.53%

56,666

6,013.06

38,462

Over

14.63%

38,462

4,440.61

83,334

Over

14.63%

83,334

9,621.24

 


39 posted on 05/01/2013 7:48:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nos. 2 and 3 don’t mean much if there isn’t decent work to be had. All it means is that you’ll have a lot of smart people flipping burgers or collecting welfare.


40 posted on 05/01/2013 7:48:59 AM PDT by chimera
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To: KC_Lion

Property tax rates are low only if you lived in California before Prop 13. If you moved there after it’s 2% of the purchase price of the house. When I lived in Thousand Oaks I was paying $3200 a year and my neighbors $385.


41 posted on 05/01/2013 7:51:13 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: SeekAndFind

IIRC, Cali has income taxes. Texas does not (somebody correct me if my memory is incorrect!).

That makes the property tax issue moot.


42 posted on 05/01/2013 7:52:33 AM PDT by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All of this proves that figures never lie- but liars figure


43 posted on 05/01/2013 7:52:34 AM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

“If you’re a Californian, you’re less likely to die. “

Odd. I thought mortality was 100%...

What this article REALLY says is “California is more liberal, don’t you WANT to live here?” My answer, from Arizona, is “Hell no!”


44 posted on 05/01/2013 7:52:47 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Wile seems like just another california homosexual blogger advocate.

Smart business should be exiting california. Stockholders should be holding boards accountable to ESCAPE CALIFORNIA.


45 posted on 05/01/2013 7:53:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: circlecity

That’s a good one. Reminds me of a meeting I was in a while ago and a guy said, “We have customers. They die. It’s a 1:1 relationship, and nobody has been able to get out of it yet.”


46 posted on 05/01/2013 7:54:01 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: SeekAndFind

Comparison is pure BS.
We’ll keep my guns and 0 income tax rate, they can keep all their nuts, fruits and flakes....thank you.
FWIW, I wouldn’t trade a single square foot of south, or west, Texas desert for the whole damn state of Commiefornia.


47 posted on 05/01/2013 7:55:36 AM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: anoldafvet

SAT scores? In order to have an SAT score you actually have to write the SAT’s. How many gang members in the barrios of L.A. and the Oakland hood ever write an SAT? Number is skewed because of dropout rates in California and because of a significant asian population that places a high priority on education. If not for the asian community California would already be past the point of no return.


48 posted on 05/01/2013 7:57:03 AM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: SeekAndFind

4)The state is above average in terms of children enrolled in day care.
Just 39% of kids are not enrolled in child care in California. In Texas? 44%.

That’s right: We can’t approve of states where kids are raised by their own mothers.


49 posted on 05/01/2013 7:58:47 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m mystified. Why is more kids in daycare something to crow about?


50 posted on 05/01/2013 7:58:48 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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