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Northville Mother Upset About Seventh Graders Reading Unedited 'Diary of Anne Frank'
Northville Patch ^ | April 24, 2013 | Rebecca Jaskot

Posted on 05/01/2013 8:34:52 AM PDT by Altariel

A Northville mother is upset about the unedited version of "Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl" that her seventh grade student is reading in school.

According to an article on myfoxdetroit.com, parent Gail Horalek filed a formal complaint with the Northville school district about a passage in the book that she thinks is too graphic for students that age.

In the passage, Anne Frank discusses the discovery of her genitalia.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: annefrank; diary; education; masturbation; parents
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1 posted on 05/01/2013 8:34:52 AM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Uhh... the Liberals are pushing sex ed on Kindergartners! They’re teaching condom use in 5th grade. They’re allowing tweens to get birth control and the morning-after pill.

They’re banned most classic literature in lieu of technical manuals with this Common Core bullshit.

And this woman is complaining about a piece of literature that’s been considered required reading for decades?

Get the Hell out of town! Homeschool your kid if you’re that concerned.


2 posted on 05/01/2013 8:37:33 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Altariel

I read this book back when I was in middle school. My daughter read it this year (7th grade) and discussed one evening how Anne was either bisexual or a lesbian. I almost choked! I said, “I don’t remember THAT!”. I read the edited version for the time. She then showed me several passages that .. discussed her wanting to touch another girl’s chest. So, yes... if you read this book in your youth, you may have read the edited version.


3 posted on 05/01/2013 8:41:46 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Altariel

We have idiots everywhere, even conservative idiots.


4 posted on 05/01/2013 8:44:58 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: momtothree

It’s not remotely lesbian related, it’s puberity confusion related. In short, normal 7th grade girl stuff.

To me, it shows Anne to be just another human wasted by the National Socialists.


5 posted on 05/01/2013 8:46:19 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: rarestia
Yep. Because Seventh Graders haven't 'discovered' their genitalia yet.

Gimme a break. I have, er, First-Hand knowledge of how teenaged boys think. It likely would be a revelation to the mother in this article, if not heart-attack inducing.

6 posted on 05/01/2013 8:48:39 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Boggles my mind. It’s a critical piece of nonfiction.


7 posted on 05/01/2013 8:49:27 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
And a few years ago there was outrage in Detroit over reading Huck Finn in school.

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8 posted on 05/01/2013 8:52:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Altariel

LOL!
The school left the erotic romantic encounters in there?


9 posted on 05/01/2013 8:54:26 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MeanWestTexan
We have idiots everywhere, even conservative idiots.

Who says the "Northville mother" is "conservative"?
I would bet she voted for Ubama.

I also never discount the possibility that this could be a liberal set-up to try to paint conservatives as prudish and out of touch.

10 posted on 05/01/2013 8:58:12 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Altariel

I read it in the 4th grade.

And at the time found the the concept of the Holocaust far more shocking than reflecting upon body parts that all us gals have.


11 posted on 05/01/2013 9:01:15 AM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: Altariel

Sometimes grisly truths are worth teaching to young’uns. The Holocaust is probably one of them.

The Easter story isn’t about bunnies and colored eggs, either ... its got a happy ending, but its a gruesome story of torture, persecution and death. And, if your kid doesn’t know it, he should.

SnakeDoc


12 posted on 05/01/2013 9:03:38 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: MeanWestTexan

That is what I told her but the edited vs unedited are different. Now.. taken from a 7th graders viewpoint (along with her friends)... they felt it was bisexual. To be fair, with the media push and discussion of homosexuality/bisexuality these days... the concept of puberty confusion may not be as considered by today’s preteen or early teen. In short, since it is everywhere (tv shows, news, etc) the feeling that it is lesbian related.. isn’t surprising to me.


13 posted on 05/01/2013 9:06:23 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: SnakeDoctor

We watched the entire Holocaust miniseries in school. Yeah it was some brutal stuff for 13 and 14 year olds but it needed to be done.

In fact our math teacher showed us the number tattoo on his arm.


14 posted on 05/01/2013 9:10:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
We watched the entire Holocaust miniseries in school. Yeah it was some brutal stuff for 13 and 14 year olds but it needed to be done.

As brutal as that was, "War and Remembrance' was much more brutal.

15 posted on 05/01/2013 9:11:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Band of Brothers would have done us some good in school as well but that was long after my school days.


16 posted on 05/01/2013 9:13:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Altariel

Did she have Justin Bieber’s autographed version?


17 posted on 05/01/2013 9:14:46 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: cripplecreek

So would have Saving Private Ryan.


18 posted on 05/01/2013 9:43:08 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

We had better teachers back then. Some of them were WWII Vets and in one case a concentration camp survivor.

They taught with conviction.


19 posted on 05/01/2013 9:46:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: momtothree
Back in the late 80’s, reading “A Rose for Emily” it described her beau as “a man's man” and a lifelong bachelor.

The majority of the class seemed to think this meant he was homosexual.

Me and the teacher were aghast and convinced them “not THAT kind of man's man.”.

20 posted on 05/01/2013 9:47:03 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: rarestia

Having seen the word “bullshit” so many times this morning on FR, it sure seems that we are adopting the language and lack of social conservatism of Democratic Underground.


21 posted on 05/01/2013 10:03:56 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

I don’t swear much at all, but when I get fired up, it tends to flow. This morning’s been a rough one for me.


22 posted on 05/01/2013 10:05:28 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Did she have Justin Bieber’s autographed version?

LOL.

23 posted on 05/01/2013 10:05:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Altariel

What? I saw the Exorcist when it came out AND read the book and I was only ten years old.
I read Anne Frank’s diary many years ago and I don’t remember anything too offensive, except of course them rounding up Jews to send to their deaths. Apparently, she’s OK with that part.


24 posted on 05/01/2013 10:07:43 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
I saw the Exorcist when it came out

And it keeps getting funnier, every single time I see it.

25 posted on 05/01/2013 10:09:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: momtothree

Maybe some of the people buying books for schools don’t even know that there are two different versions.


26 posted on 05/01/2013 10:13:58 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Altariel

In my day, the purpose of reading it was to learn about the Holocaust. Today, with teachers steeped in Marxist-Feminist theory in vollege, classic literature is being repurposed to be a vehicle for normalizing homosexuality.


27 posted on 05/01/2013 10:15:40 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby.)
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To: informavoracious

Nowadays they teach that Republicans were responsible for The Holocaust.


28 posted on 05/01/2013 10:17:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Altariel

Reminds me of “Huckleberry Finn”. Are we going to remove every great book because something in it offends somebody?


29 posted on 05/01/2013 10:21:16 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Altariel; JenB; metmom

I have read the “unedited” version of Anne Frank’s diary.

Yes it is sexual in nature, a little raw. However it is not pornagraphic. Kinda reminds me of “Are You There God? It’s Me, Margaret” just not so raunchy.


30 posted on 05/01/2013 10:21:56 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: rarestia

I know that more and more I click on the direct link to articles rather than to the freerepublic threads because I get tired of all the cussing when I’m trying to read and think, even in the religion threads it is all over the place.


31 posted on 05/01/2013 10:26:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

If you feel even slightly inclined to do so, feel free to click the “Report Abuse” link under my post. I have no problem accepting responsibility for my actions.

For what it’s worth, I do the opposite of you. I read the FR thread to get the visceral feeling from other conservatives on these issues. Swearing in excess is a sign of ignorance. Swearing to make a point is utilitarian, because it’s designed to evoke a response, which I apparently did in you.


32 posted on 05/01/2013 10:38:09 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: wideminded

“... two different versions”.

I thought there was only one so I was surprised at the discussion of it. From my understanding, the two versions are really different. The unedited is more mature.


33 posted on 05/01/2013 10:48:47 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Altariel

At least it wasn’t the unedited Diary Of Barney Frank.


34 posted on 05/01/2013 10:49:23 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: momtothree; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

35 posted on 05/01/2013 11:02:15 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: rarestia
Swearing to make a point is utilitarian, because it’s designed to evoke a response, which I apparently did in you.

We have seen liberals use that response since the 1960s, they say it with pride, as though it justifies all the deconstruction of our culture and public space as skill and expertise and effectiveness rather than as just tacky and shallow, and seen as shocking by America before the left took over in recent decades.

Now it is used to make the social conservative forum freerepublic more like the socially liberal DU, just as it has been used to move all of the public space in that direction, for almost 50 years.

36 posted on 05/01/2013 11:19:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: momtothree

My step grandfather was a Jewish man who had friends who were involved with the publishing of the book.

He told my father that the book was edited.

The editing had to do with the natural desires of young girls.

For pete’s sake, most girls are attracted to girls when young. What was once a phase has become a life choice


37 posted on 05/01/2013 11:25:38 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: ansel12

I personally do not have an issue separating my secular life from my spiritual one. If you are offended by comments, and you make it a habit of reading just the article, may I suggest you click on the link to the article from the forum page instead of opening the thread itself?


38 posted on 05/01/2013 11:25:44 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Guarantee there’s nothing in there about touching another female’s parts.


39 posted on 05/01/2013 11:48:15 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; wideminded; All

Okay... I finally found what the huge brew haha was about. I knew some of the content via discussion with my daughter but finally found the book. Here is the main paragraph as to why many of the 12/13 year old girls thought about possible bisexuality: (page 130, paragraph four)

“I already had these kinds of feelings subconsciously before I came here, because I remember that once when I slept with a girl friend I had a strong desire to kiss her, and that I did do so. I could not help being terribly inquisitive over her body, for she had always kept it hidden from me. I asked her whether, as a proof of our friendship, we should feel one another’s breasts, but she refused. I go into ecstasies every time I see the naked figure of a woman, such as Venus, for example. I strikes me as so wonderful and exquisite that I have difficulty in stopping the tears rolling down my cheeks. If only I had a girl friend!”

** IMHO, her honors English teacher should have simply explained that this is the writings of a young girl, trapped in an attic... and simply expressing her thoughts. The novel, author and simple education was ignored by simply not putting that info out there for the class.


40 posted on 05/01/2013 12:00:46 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Lancey Howard

Fair enough point.

But, alas, typically it’s a prudish conservative. The stereotype of us exists for a reason.


41 posted on 05/01/2013 12:08:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: momtothree

Doesn’t surpise me, either.

But I just re-read the chapter and, in context, it’s clear she is just going through puberty.


42 posted on 05/01/2013 12:10:40 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: rarestia

That is twice that you have misrepresented my post to you where I said “I know that more and more I click on the direct link to articles rather than to the freerepublic threads because I get tired of all the cussing when I’m trying to read and think, even in the religion threads it is all over the place.”, in defending your DU language.

Now you think that being conservative in public writings and utterings is inappropriate and better saved for “spiritual” life.

I never thought that my simple comment would stir up such a determined defense from you, social conservatism includes not throwing filth and mud into public speech.


43 posted on 05/01/2013 12:18:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

Huh? You quoted yourself and said I was misrepresenting your post even though that’s what you said?

I’m not defending anything, nor am I apologizing. I told you if you didn’t like what I said, feel free to report my post. I have no problem with that.

As far as my public writings, feel free to peruse my history. I’ve been here since 2004, so you might want to get comfy.

You would be hard-pressed to find an overuse of vulgarity, and considering I’ve spent my adult professional life opining on the declination of linguistics in our modern society, you’ll probably find that it’s few and far between.

I have numerous degrees in English and am very proud of my usage, grammar, and vocabulary. When I swear, it’s for a reason. I was fired up this morning due to a plethora of garbage posts, and I let one fly in a post. You decided to opine on my use of the word “bullshit,” and immediately went on the defensive inferring that you are bypassing the meat of the comments due to foul language.

If you’re that thin skinned, the Internet isn’t the best place for you to be browsing. There are plugins for popular browsers that censor your Internet experience if you’re overly sensitive.


44 posted on 05/01/2013 12:22:56 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Yes you misrepresented my post, and misunderstood it, and it’s point.

You said “and you make it a habit of reading just the article”, Habit?

In another post you said “”I do the opposite of you. I read the FR thread to get the visceral feeling from other conservatives on these issues.”” You do the “opposite” and feel the need to describe something I wouldn’t know about or do?

You clearly misread my post “I know that more and more I click on the direct link to articles rather than to the freerepublic threads because I get tired of all the cussing when I’m trying to read and think” like you said, you will go to extremes to be utilitarian in your public writing and speech.


45 posted on 05/01/2013 12:38:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult)
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To: ansel12

Where did I say that I would go to extremes to be utilitarian my speech?


46 posted on 05/01/2013 1:21:04 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: ansel12

Okay okay I think I see where we went wrong in this conversation. I meant no malice in my posts. So I’m sorry if this went off the rails the way it did.


47 posted on 05/01/2013 1:24:12 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: popdonnelly

I don’t think even the edited version is a really
good choice for school reading. I don’t have the quotes
handy. I don’t think literature is the way to educated
about the Holocaust. I would recommend the JPFO “Innocents
Betrayed” but I don’t think that has much of a chance of
being accepted in schools now. Amoral, G-dless schools can’t
teach genocide prevention, with respect to Jews or any
group.


48 posted on 05/01/2013 7:07:45 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: momtothree

Well, this has been an educational thread. I didn’t know there were two versions of the book. Based on the few passages I’ve found online, so far the passages in question sound innocent. She is simply making observations about herself like a typical adolescent would. But maybe there are other passages that are more graphic...?

Nevertheless, given the maturity of the average seventh grader, even the more innocent-sounding passages might not be appropriate. Just picturing the kids making inappropriate jokes and comments in reaction to those passages...


49 posted on 05/02/2013 5:28:04 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: momtothree

Ah, I see now. I didn’t see that particular passage before. IMHO, it’s not prudish to object to seventh graders reading that passage. In fact, it’s really a shame that such private writings of an innocent young girl would be made available for everyone to read. That passage should’ve been edited out... for her sake. If she made similar comments about a young man, for example, my opinion would be the same. This was her private journal.


50 posted on 05/02/2013 5:38:03 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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