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Should The U.S. Arm Syrian Rebels? Yes Or No?
5/1/2013 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 05/01/2013 1:11:20 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

What if we do, and they turn out to be Muslim extremists, or are friendly to those that are? What if they manage to scuttle the Assad regime? How do we stop them from getting their hands on chemical weapons if/when they topple Assad?

Boots on the ground in Syria?

Does the U.S. want to do that?


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1 posted on 05/01/2013 1:11:20 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

I posted this because I am curious as to what people here at FR think is the best way to resolve this.

BTW, should we just stay out of this?

Just curious.....


2 posted on 05/01/2013 1:12:54 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No, not that it matters since we’re likely arming them anyway.

Personally I think that’s what the ammo buys are for, to cover the gun ruuning to Syria.


3 posted on 05/01/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
We've supported the extremists in every other country...why stop now.

Maybe we should listen to Russia....More arms means higher intensity.

4 posted on 05/01/2013 1:17:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Emphatically NO!


5 posted on 05/01/2013 1:18:44 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I would almost rather arm Assad.


6 posted on 05/01/2013 1:20:29 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Disarm Citizens of the United States and send arms to rebels in Syria. How much more Democratic can it get? /S


7 posted on 05/01/2013 1:20:49 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Disarm Citizens of the United States and send arms to rebels in Syria. How much more Democratic can it get? /S


8 posted on 05/01/2013 1:22:24 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KittenClaws

Sorry about the duplicate!


9 posted on 05/01/2013 1:22:48 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We armed Osama Bin Laden in the 80s against the Russians... so... sure. What could go wrong?


10 posted on 05/01/2013 1:22:49 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

YES - with liberal volunteers!


11 posted on 05/01/2013 1:23:08 PM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No. Even if there are good guys in this conflict, which in the mideast usually there aren’t, and we manage to find them, we always suck at the follow through (ref Afghanistan the first time around) and leave the place ripe for takeover by even worse guys than we overthrew.


12 posted on 05/01/2013 1:25:31 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We should not arm the Syrian Rebels.

We should stay out of it completely.

No matter what we do we will not be thanked for it, and the Rebels AKA Al Quaeda, are going to turn Syria into another Muslim Christian killing crap hole , worse than it already is.

Let these people kill each other, The longer it takes the less time they have to think about killing someone else.


13 posted on 05/01/2013 1:26:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Leave Syria alone and let muslim thugs continue to murder muslim thugs. Hope it spreads.


14 posted on 05/01/2013 1:34:41 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Let ‘em all kill each other and let Allah sort it out.


15 posted on 05/01/2013 1:36:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Send them 536 handpicked human shields.


16 posted on 05/01/2013 1:38:17 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“What if we do, and they turn out to be Muslim extremists, or are friendly to those that are?”

I just assume this as a given, since the most likely Muslims to take to the streets with AKs trying to topple a government are naturally Muslim extremists.

“What if they manage to scuttle the Assad regime?”

*shrug* Good for them, I guess?

“How do we stop them from getting their hands on chemical weapons if/when they topple Assad?”

Do they have warheads capable of attacking us? I don’t think so, so why should we care? Let the Europeans and Israelis come up with a plan for once.

“Boots on the ground in Syria?”

Why? To protect a dictator? Or to hand the country over to terrorists? Either way, it’s a losing proposition for us to get involved.

As far as I’m concerned, if something comes up that demands our involvement, then our involvement should extend as far as pushing the little red button that is marked “Nuke Syria”, and that’s about it.


17 posted on 05/01/2013 1:41:03 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Received this recently from Texas Senator Cornyn:

Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the United States’ policy toward Syria. I appreciate having the benefit of your comments on this matter.

On March 18, 2011, the Syrian people commenced widespread and peaceful protests against President Bashar al-Assad and his regime. Subsequently, President Assad and his government forces launched a violent response. According to the United Nations, as of January 2, 2013, more than 60,000 Syrians have been killed. The violent oppression by the Assad regime continues unabated, with the regime failing to deliver promised reforms and instead utilizing overwhelming force against the protestors. Since August 2011, President Obama has called for Assad’s resignation, supporting United Nations Security Council action to facilitate his removal. Yet to date, the Security Council has been deadlocked due to obstruction by Russia and China.

I have pressed the Obama Administration to end all U.S. government business dealings with Rosoboronexport—the Russian state-owned arms broker that facilitates the Russian Federation’s arms transfers to Syria. I am deeply troubled that the U.S. Army continued to do business with Rosoboronexport, purchasing dozens of dual-use Mi-17 helicopters for the Afghan military, as the atrocities in Syria have continued. It is unconscionable that U.S. taxpayers would be forced to pay for a contract with a Russian firm that is simultaneously enabling the Assad regime to murder its own people. Because the Obama Administration ignored my requests, I offered Senate Amendment 3260 to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (FY13 NDAA; P.L. 112-239), which prohibits the use of funding for the U.S. government to enter into any further contracts or business agreements with Rosoboronexport. I am pleased that this provision was included in the final version of the FY13 NDAA, as signed into law on January 2, 2013.

Furthermore, during the 112th Congress, I was proud to cosponsor Senate Resolution 370 (S.Res. 370), which would have condemned the ongoing and systematic human rights violations conducted by Syrian authorities and called on Assad to step down from power. Additionally, this resolution would have called on President Obama to develop a plan to identify weapons stockpiles in Syria and prevent their proliferation, as well as urge the international community to support a post-Assad democratic government.

I also cosponsored Senate Bill 2224 (S. 2224), which would have directed the President to submit three reports to Congress to assess all Syrian opposition groups; assess the size and security of weapons stockpiles in Syria; and describe support provided to opposition political forces in Syria. S. 2224 was passed by the Senate by unanimous consent on May 9, 2012, and referred to the House of Representatives for further consideration. Although S.Res. 370 and S. 2224 were not enacted prior to the adjournment of the 112th Congress, you may be certain that I will keep your views in mind as relevant legislation is considered during the 113th Congress.

The people of Syria have demonstrated a hunger for freedom, and the United States has a solemn duty to support their democratic aspirations. I appreciate having the opportunity to represent Texas in the United States Senate, and I will keep your views in mind as these matters are discussed. Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

Sincerely,
JOHN CORNYN
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Senator Cornyn is either so uninformed as to not understand what the real battle is, or is being duped by Obozo.

Either way he clearly does not understand what the “rebels” really are. They have large elements of al-Qaeda in their leadership.

I wrote Senator Cornyn explaining how dangerous the replacement government would be and it evidently did not register.

I will not vote for John again. He has been trying to appear close to Senator Cruz, but Cornyn is not one of us.


18 posted on 05/01/2013 1:41:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: muir_redwoods

Sounds like a good plan. Maybe we should arm both sides :)


19 posted on 05/01/2013 1:41:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No
And according to reports al Qaeda is very close to capturing a poison gas depot/factory.
That, we should not permit. Drop a thermobaric bomb or two and destroy the agents.


20 posted on 05/01/2013 1:42:54 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I posted this because I am curious as to what people here at FR think is the best way to resolve this.

Why do we need to resolve it?

21 posted on 05/01/2013 1:42:57 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Hell, no. Stay out. Or support Assad, who, at least, is a secular fascist dictator (a significant improvement over an Islamic Republic). But stay out of Syria.


22 posted on 05/01/2013 1:44:37 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: SpinnerWebb
Nope, Osama was not armed by the US in the 1980’s. The Muj was armed by the US then. At the time al-Qaeda was not involved.

The Muj that Charlie Wilson rode with was not the Taliban which was later taken over by al-Qaeda.

Yes, the current “opposition” in Syria and previously in Libya were run by an affiliate of al-Qaeda.

23 posted on 05/01/2013 1:44:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
No, you cannot arm the Syrian Rebels, as it is a federal crime to give arms or support to groups on the terror list. Al Queda is on that list as is Hezbulla.

Any Congress critter or President found doing so is subject to immediate impeachment, and any citizen of whatever flavor is subject to years in prison.

As to Syria, the best way to handle it is RUN AWAY! The crazy Muslims have been killing each other for 1400 years. I never saw the value of wading into a dog fight to try and break it up.

As to Islam, the best way to handle it is when you are hit by it, Hit back 100 times harder. You will not be hit again for a few years as it is in the Koran the rules on how to handle the infidel. When they fight back the Koran commands them to stand down, but if they sue for peace the Koran commands them to step it up.

Do not support them, do not dialog with them. Be fair and kind, but if they step out of place hammer them into the ground like a tent peg. Islam will destroy itself if it runs out of cowards to prey upon. It is a cowards religion preying on cowards and has no military strategy. Rabble at best, kamikazes are why we invented nuclear weapons.

This is advice from someone who lived with Palestinians for 10 years under Jihad. I know of what I speak.

24 posted on 05/01/2013 1:45:02 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The US, should for once take care of the US.


25 posted on 05/01/2013 1:45:08 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We should support whatever side is losing to prolong the war. Or just sell arms to both sides. ;)


26 posted on 05/01/2013 1:45:37 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Send them 536 handpicked human shields.

Got a soft spot for Biden do you?

27 posted on 05/01/2013 1:45:52 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: 0.E.O

Can we make it 537?


28 posted on 05/01/2013 1:46:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 0.E.O

I said human shields. ;)


29 posted on 05/01/2013 1:47:11 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SpinnerWebb

We armed Osama Bin Laden in the 80s against the Russians... so... sure. What could go wrong?

Although it’s hindsight and we were at the height of the cold war back then, I wonder if we would’ve been better off if we had helped the Russians instead of the mooslems in the 80s?


30 posted on 05/01/2013 1:48:08 PM PDT by hdbc (FUBO)
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To: Vinnie
Drop a thermobaric bomb or two and destroy the agents.

Too late, Israel could not wait for us to get around to figuring out what side is up and wasted the factory already.

Israel, doing the world Mitzva's since 47...

31 posted on 05/01/2013 1:48:09 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No! Let them kill one another. There is no reason to choose sides in their internal disputes. It does not matter who wins. They will still hate us and attempt to kill us at any opportunity.


32 posted on 05/01/2013 1:52:21 PM PDT by formosa
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Saudi Arabia and Qatar, two extraordinarily wealthy oil-producing states, are already arming the rebels. We, on the other hand, are so broke our government can’t even afford to conduct White House tours. So why are we even thinking about supporting anyone?

We must be delusional. Our government doesn’t even take in enough revenue to support the 48 million Americans on food stamps, who must be paid with billions of newly printed dollars adding to our already towering debt. Yet we want to increase that debt by printing even more billions to send to Islamic jihadists in Syria who would just as soon kill us as look at us, and who are already receiving untold billions from Islamic jihadist sponsors like Saudi Arabia?!


33 posted on 05/01/2013 1:55:40 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: formosa

No. For two reasons. One, the Free Syrian Army is not exactly a Jeffersonian movement. Two, when your enemies are killing each other, it’s time to break out the champagne AND the popcorn.


34 posted on 05/01/2013 1:57:05 PM PDT by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: cripplecreek

Spot on!


35 posted on 05/01/2013 1:57:07 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: MestaMachine

I agree. If they’re busy killing each other they won’t be killing “Infidels”.


36 posted on 05/01/2013 1:57:56 PM PDT by Ab Alius Domitor ("In the end; the winner")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Arming islamists. That’s the obamaic spirit.


37 posted on 05/01/2013 1:58:42 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Boogieman

“Sounds like a good plan. Maybe we should arm both sides :)”
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Send them the arms and ammo our friendly Dept of Homeland Suicide plans to use on us.


38 posted on 05/01/2013 2:03:50 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell, Huxley and Rand warned us about 0bama's USA)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No. We have nothing to gain there; its a lose-lose situation. Let the friends of peaceful religion deal with it.


39 posted on 05/01/2013 2:06:27 PM PDT by veracious
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yes, but only with shotguns. They must fire two blasts from their balcony to scare off any Assad supporters. If Hezbollah personnel are involved, they may shoot through the door.


40 posted on 05/01/2013 2:09:06 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

since the Syrian rebels are now mostly AQ the answer is NO. Let the shiites and the sunni kill each other without our help.

Our help to Libya and Egypt put those countries into the hands of the muslim brotherhood. we don’’t need a reprise


41 posted on 05/01/2013 2:12:16 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Boogieman

we could always airdrop 55-gallon drums of pharmaceutically pure meth. I think the enhanced enthusiasm might be entertaining.


42 posted on 05/01/2013 2:15:00 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: American in Israel
Israel, doing the world Mitzva's since 47...

Good.

If we can declare Bibi a US citizen could we......?

43 posted on 05/01/2013 2:26:20 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

NO! We should stay out. No arms. No aide. Let them sort out their own country.


44 posted on 05/01/2013 2:32:17 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

FK no.

Let em sort out this mess themselves.

Everyone was living peace until we got involved and order was maintained.

This BS is absolutely going to come back and bite us.


45 posted on 05/01/2013 2:34:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No - These weapons will be used against us soon.


46 posted on 05/01/2013 2:41:53 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Tell me again, please (I’m hard of hearing). WHY are we fighting Al-Queada’s wars?


47 posted on 05/01/2013 2:53:53 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No. If Odumbo wants to, it must be wrong.


48 posted on 05/01/2013 3:22:32 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Dont forget a few from the Supremes! :-)


49 posted on 05/01/2013 3:24:12 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No!! Muslims killing Muslims, Win win situation


50 posted on 05/01/2013 3:31:48 PM PDT by davemac.439
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