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'Proof' Jamestown settlers turned to cannibalism
BBC ^ | May 1, 2013 | Jane O'Brien

Posted on 05/01/2013 6:13:03 PM PDT by Altariel

Newly discovered human bones prove the first permanent English settlers in North America turned to cannibalism over the cruel winter of 1609-10, US researchers have said.

Scientists found unusual cuts consistent with butchering for meat on human bones dumped in a rubbish pit.

The four-century-old skull and tibia of a teenage girl in James Fort, Virginia, were excavated from the dump last year.

James Fort, founded in 1607, was the earliest part of the Jamestown colony.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: biteme; eatme; godsgravesglyphs; history; jamestown; virginia

1 posted on 05/01/2013 6:13:03 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: SunkenCiv

For the last time, I wasn’t an eyewitness!

No one saw me, you can’t prove anything.

(Gods graves glyphs ping)


2 posted on 05/01/2013 6:13:44 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

She’s got an evil look. Who’s to say why she became food instead of someone else. Maybe she was messing around with someone’s husband or stealing food or she died of illness or something more natural than a butcher knife.


3 posted on 05/01/2013 6:18:00 PM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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To: Altariel; Pharmboy

Ping?


4 posted on 05/01/2013 6:20:27 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Altariel

So.

It WAS you, Vizzini.


5 posted on 05/01/2013 6:23:21 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Altariel

What? The “noble” “Native Americans” didn’t bring them food?


6 posted on 05/01/2013 6:27:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Altariel

BBC British biting cannibals.


7 posted on 05/01/2013 6:28:20 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: bgill
You are right...

She's got the "been arrested before" look.

8 posted on 05/01/2013 6:29:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

They were busy eating each other too.


9 posted on 05/01/2013 6:30:22 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Altariel

Cannibalism is one of the most disgusting things a person can do.

Even so if someone is forced to eat the remains of someone who is already dead and there is no alternative to stay alive, I would not condemn them.

Now if someone killed another even in the same circumstances, that is another thing.


10 posted on 05/01/2013 6:32:49 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: bgill
She died during the starving time. You do recall that Jamestown lasted only two years, then they set sail back to jolly old England ~ only to be met by Lord de la Ware who escorted them back to the settlement.

They'd chosen to settle in Virginia during one of the Great Droughts that regularly visit North America. This one was a bit more rigorous than any we've known in the East ~ more like the 1930s where much of the midsection of the country turned into the Dust Bowl.

The Chesapeake Bay region had become so desolate the Spanish pulled out in 1598 ~ with some of their officers ending up in Santa Fe ~ guess their 'desert experience' in the East suited them well for resettlement in a real desert.

Noteworthy, DeSoto landed in 1541 and spent a fair amount of time crisscrossing the Mid-South and the lower midwest ~ and his diary reveals the territory was fairly devoid of trees ~ so travel was easy.

I've been thinking about the Spanish experience on the East Cast for a number of years. They didn't do a whole lot with it, although they may have had an almost secret colony in New Jersey or the Eastern Shore ~ the Jamestown colony officers refer to another place somewhere within a few days sail that had upwards of 20,000 settlers as best they could tell.

There'd been a number of pirate settlements around the Bay before the Great Powers decided to put an end to Atlantic piracy. So what happened to those people, and did Philippe I/II reward his Catholic Dutch subjects with lands in America while continuing his war against his Reformed Dutch subjects in the Dutch Republic? So many mysteries in that period, but the drought was very real ~ sometimes they occur over 70 to 80 year periods where there's little rain. This one had at least one period that overlaps Jamestown settlement where it appears to have not rained at all in Virginia for 17 years!

The only fresh water was above the Fall Line (an ancient meteor crater wall in the East Coast). With no fresh drinking water nor any way to water crops the Jamestown colonists faced a dire future ~ cannibalism wasn't out of the question ~ and this isn't news!

11 posted on 05/01/2013 6:34:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bgill
"She’s got an evil look"

How would you look if you were the dinner?

12 posted on 05/01/2013 6:34:22 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: BenLurkin
The noble native Americans lived well upstream from this particular pestilentual hellhole with no fresh water.

Just about the time the rains returned and Jamestown got off on a better foot, (1611), the Iroquois Indians decided they'd return to the business of collecting tribute from their tributary tribes ~ one of which was the Pohattans. They needed to rapidly expand their corn, squash and bean plantation to meet the Iroquois demands ~ and the Jamestown crowd was in the way. By 1621 the Indians attacked to convince the Europeans to back off and GET OUT THE WAY.

This all ended by the mid 1600s when hanta virus and a cold winter reduced Indian numbers by about 95% on the East Coast. Whites and blacks died at the same rate, but Europeans were readily replaced!

13 posted on 05/01/2013 6:39:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: the OlLine Rebel; Altariel; indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; Doctor Raoul; ...

Thanks for the post, Altariel, and the ping, OlLine Rebel. Not a pleasant story to be sure, but we knew they suffered greatly. This is colonial history, in all its reality.

I won't be far from there this weekend, since we're going to Williamsburg; however, we'll stop by the Battlefield at Yorktown.

The RevWar/Colonial History/General Washington ping list

14 posted on 05/01/2013 6:40:44 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: muawiyah

They were close to the coast. Couldn’t they have fished?

By the way, just how often do those droughts occur?


15 posted on 05/01/2013 6:47:03 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Pharmboy

No one should be surprised when the first colonists on Mars are reduced to cannibalism.


16 posted on 05/01/2013 6:50:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: bgill

Or.... the colonists were enduring dire circumstances during what was known as the “starving times.”


17 posted on 05/01/2013 6:51:10 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Altariel

Baloney.

The time there was recorded meticulously and there are no accounts of anything like this.

Maybe the Injuns ate her and returned her remains.


18 posted on 05/01/2013 6:52:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Altariel; All

Any of you guys ever see that fantastic movie called ‘Ravenous”? It’s one of the best movies I’ve ever seen, and unfortunately was not appreciated when it first came out.


19 posted on 05/01/2013 6:56:53 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Vendome

Didn’t some of the settlers write about a man who murdered his pregnant wife and ate her? A colonial Gosnell.


20 posted on 05/01/2013 7:02:06 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: tsomer
There's a climatological cycle that let's us have big droughts somewhere in North America just about every 70 to 80 years. Sometimes the drought linger from one end to the other ~ sometimes they'll be short, sweet and last only a couple of years, or maybe only in one quadrant seriously. China follows the same pattern and they have records going back thousands of years regarding the drought cycle.

Regarding fishing, that's a rather salty diet. Their problem was fresh water ~ not fish; but game was in short supply; the Indians had moved upstream for fresh water and were a long way away from Jamestwn.

Little went on in the East Coast area until about 1620 ~ and then settlers came to many places, indians attacked, etc. Europe prepared to plunge into the 30 years war ~ just all sorts of stuff.

21 posted on 05/01/2013 7:04:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altariel
Evidence of the first rugby teams in the New World.
22 posted on 05/01/2013 7:16:36 PM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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To: Altariel

BBC reporting this? Well known in any history book of colonial america you wish to look at.

Shocked they are, to discover this...when there are honor killings, gentital mutilation, sanctioned wifebeatings going on in their own country now under color of their law.

Sorry BBC GFY


23 posted on 05/01/2013 7:32:22 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: Altariel

In former times, a crop failure of some sort would bring on famine with it’s accompanying cannibalism.


24 posted on 05/01/2013 7:33:39 PM PDT by fso301
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To: muawiyah

Thanks for the info.

I wonder if it was related to solar activity. Do these episodes correlate with sun-spots?

I’m not sure about the dates, but its generally believed that the first English settlers arrived just after the native population had drastically declined. I always understood that this was due to disease, but it seems the drought might have been a factor.


25 posted on 05/01/2013 7:39:50 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: HawkHogan

There was a story but, there were also a couple of other tales from people who ran away from the colony, escaping back to England.

The tales were suspect and there are records of cannibalism from the settlers and no one was ever named who might have resorted to this as a last resort.


26 posted on 05/01/2013 7:40:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: HawkHogan
Didn’t some of the settlers write about a man who murdered his pregnant wife and ate her? A colonial Gosnell.

Rats and mice will eat their children in times of hunger.

Wonder what the demographics will be in urban areas after a famine...post-birth abortion bbq? In the zombie apocalypse the zombies will be the hungry rats from the cities.

27 posted on 05/01/2013 7:43:34 PM PDT by eldoradude (Let's water the tree of liberty with THEIR blood...)
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To: tsomer
The native population probably languished in misery from about 1541 to 1620 ~ and then well, just as the Europeans did well, right on up to 1646 when what seems to have been a hanta-smallpox-T b-etc epidemic wiped everybody out ~ or at least 95% of everybody.

The solar sunspot cycles are 11 years for half a cycle. A full cycle is about 22 or 23 years. The 80 year cycle seems to be linked to the basic sun spot cycle in the sense of having a similar cause but a longer periodicity.

I've found the 80 year cycle to be useful in working backwards to 1492 to see if there could have been a drought going on somewhere in America. A 70 year cycle is probably more consistent with the hanta virus problems. There you need some good weather for a few years to enable the pine nuts to grow to feed the rodents that carry hanta virus. Then all H breaks out! Notice, that takes place WITHIN the 80 year cycle. That's because that cycle, although tracing drought occurrence, is not perfect ~ we don't always have a Great Drought, and we don't always have a smaller drought. It's a period of less than normal rainfall over an enormous part of the continent ~ if it's a Great Drought. There are almost always hotspots within the cycle and it looks like Virginia was a hotspot ~ like Oklahoma was a hotspot in the 1930s Great Drought.

There's an even longer cycle that we know of inferentially. That's where it gets colder in the Northern regions. The traditional lifestyle there is herding animals. Colder weather is dry weather, and grazing lands become scarce so the nomads move South and invade some otherwise civilized place.

They may stay in the area hundreds of years and then when the climate warms up they move back North!

Pretty clearly that's not going to happen these days but it was predictive of the Mongols conquering China and India, and less obviously, of the movement of Turkish speaking Buddhists North out of India all the way to Siberia, and then on to the conquest of Korea and the initiation of a 900 year civil war in Japan!

The Turks have been showing up in both Eastern and Western India for thousands of years ~ apparently driven to do that by climate change.

28 posted on 05/01/2013 8:01:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bakeneko

Way back in 1609 THIS WAS THEIR COUNTRY. We fixed that error in 1776


29 posted on 05/01/2013 8:03:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altariel

So they took the Cavalier approach to a hardship.


30 posted on 05/01/2013 8:23:30 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: BenLurkin

heck, they were eating people in the SuperDome, or so I was told by the media.


31 posted on 05/01/2013 8:27:45 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Altariel
Well, in extremis, maybe they did. So what?
32 posted on 05/01/2013 8:33:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Altariel; Pharmboy; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Altariel, but I'm not buyin' your alibi. ;)

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


33 posted on 05/01/2013 8:35:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Vendome

The Donner Party pioneer expedition into California involved cannibalism.


34 posted on 05/01/2013 9:05:51 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Something was eating away at them.


35 posted on 05/01/2013 9:34:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: James C. Bennett
An example of extreme stupidity, they were warned.
36 posted on 05/03/2013 12:51:59 PM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: Altariel

They should’ve watched “Cannibal! The Musical!”

:-)


37 posted on 05/04/2013 7:37:53 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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