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New discovery solves ancient Egyptian chariot mystery
Al Bawaba ^ | April 23rd, 2013 | Nevine El-Aref

Posted on 05/02/2013 7:28:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

During routine archaeological research as part of the Ancient Egypt Leatherwork Project (AELP) carried out by Salima Ikram, Professor of Egyptology at the American University in Cairo (AUC) and Andre Veldmeijer, head of the Egyptology section at the Netherlands Flemish Institute in Cairo, a collection of 300 leather fragments of an Old Kingdom chariot were uncovered at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

Ikram describes the discovery as very important and the collection as “extremely rare.” Only a handful of complete chariots are known from ancient Egypt, and of these, only one heavily restored in Florence and one in the Egyptian Museum have any significant amount of leather...

Although horse-drawn chariots are often illustrated in ancient Egyptian artwork, she said, archaeological evidence that goes beyond wooden frames is rare due to their organic nature, as leather fragments seldom survive...

The archaeological team is now studying the technology and resources used to make the leather chariots in order to reconstruct a complete exact replica of an ancient Egyptian royal leather chariot in 2014.

(Excerpt) Read more at albawaba.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: andreveldmeijer; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; salimaikram
New discovery solves ancient Egyptian chariot mystery

1 posted on 05/02/2013 7:28:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 05/02/2013 7:29:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Elsie

Chariot bump


3 posted on 05/02/2013 7:31:35 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: SunkenCiv
I watched a show a while back on PBS about some people building an Egyptian chariot from the style found in Tut's tomb. Nova.

NOVA | Building Pharaoh's Chariot - PBS

4 posted on 05/02/2013 7:35:35 PM PDT by bigheadfred (yeah hate me i watch pbs)
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To: SunkenCiv

Corinthian leather?


5 posted on 05/02/2013 8:21:12 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SunkenCiv

One of the two gauntlets worn on the drivers’ forearms, showing impressions where the the fastening straps dug into the leather during use. Part of the 3,300-year-old chariot trappings now being studied in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo [Credit: André J. Veldmeijer/SCA/Egyptian Museum Authorities]

A wide decorated strap that probably fitted around the driver’s hips, to keep him steady in the chariot [Credit: André J. Veldmeijer/SCA/Egyptian Museum Authorities]

EGYPTIAN CHARIOT TRAPPINGS. IMAGES.

6 posted on 05/02/2013 8:24:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Come Visit Tasmania!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Bookmark


7 posted on 05/02/2013 9:19:14 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred Nerks.


8 posted on 05/02/2013 9:20:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: bigheadfred

Thanks bhf.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 9:21:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Fred Nerks

So I guess the Egyptians invented the seatbelt!


10 posted on 05/02/2013 10:34:13 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SunkenCiv
archaeological evidence that goes beyond wooden frames is rare due to their organic nature, as leather fragments seldom survive...

The Egyptians built the frames out of inorganic wood? *<];-')

11 posted on 05/03/2013 12:24:13 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: SunkenCiv; teppe; Normandy; District13
Although horse-drawn chariots are often illustrated in ancient Egyptian artwork, she said, archaeological evidence that goes beyond wooden frames is rare due to their organic nature, as leather fragments seldom survive...

They were extremely lucky (or fortunate - whatever) to have these pieces to study.

Many searchers have failed to find ANY remains of ANY kind in one of the biggest battle scenes ever recorded.

Due to this, most scholars have placed the following into the MYTHOLOGY category:

 
MORMON
Chapter 6

The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battles—Mormon hides the sacred records in the hill Cumorah—The Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyed—Hundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.

1 And now I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites.

2 And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Cumorah, by a hill which was called Cumorah, and there we could give them battle.

3 And it came to pass that the king of the Lamanites did grant unto me the thing which I desired. 

4 And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents around about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites.

5 And *when three hundred and eighty and four years had passed away, we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah.

6 And it came to pass that when we had gathered in all our people in one to the land of Cumorah, behold I, Mormon, began to be old; and knowing it to be the last struggle of my people, and having been commanded of the Lord that I should not suffer the records which had been handed down by our fathers, which were sacred, to fall into the hands of the Lamanites, (for the Lamanites would destroy them) therefore I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.

7 And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.

8 And it came to pass that they came to battle against us, and every soul was filled with terror because of the greatness of their numbers.

9 And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.

10 And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.

11And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow, when the Lamanites had returned unto their camps, from the top of the hill Cumorah, the ten thousand of my people who were hewn down, being led in the front by me.

12 And we also beheld the ten thousand of my people who were led by my son Moroni.

13 And behold, the ten thousand of Gidgiddonah had fallen, and he also in the midst.

14 And Lamah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Gilgal had fallen with his ten thousand; and Limhah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Jeneum had fallen with his ten thousand; and Cumenihah, and Moronihah, and Antionum, and Shiblom, and Shem, and Josh, had fallen with their ten thousand each.

15 And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.

16 And my soul was rent with anguish, because of the slain of my people, and I cried:

17 O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones, how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!

18 Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss.

19 O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, ye fair ones, how is it that ye could have fallen!

20 But behold, ye are gone, and my sorrows cannot bring your return.

21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

22 O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you. But behold, ye are gone, and the Father, yea, the Eternal Father of heaven, knoweth your state; and he doeth with you according to his justice and mercy.


 
 
Mormon 8:2
And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed.


12 posted on 05/03/2013 3:59:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: freedomlover
Chariot bump

Only ONE bump?

How about THREE???


#1 at 1:14-18

#2 at 2:47-51

#3 at 3:53-57


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiIXUtpfjwQ

13 posted on 05/03/2013 4:09:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Boogieman
So I guess the Egyptians invented the seatbelt!

They also invented reformed Egyptian: a quite compact set of characters used to record historical data far from their homeland.


In the following illustration; you can see those wily Egyptians ALSO invented the computer mouse!! (Third line; third character)





The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim...
only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.



Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



 



What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


14 posted on 05/03/2013 4:18:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Finding Reformed Egyptian much too rudimentary; the Lamanites and/or Nephites invented even MORE characters; shown here:



15 posted on 05/03/2013 4:28:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SunkenCiv
a collection of 300 leather fragments of an Old Kingdom chariot

The original Michelin tires?

16 posted on 05/03/2013 4:30:21 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Elsie
If you'd like to see Reformed Egyptian archeology; merely book a TRIP to lands south of the USA.

Here you'll see pyramidial remains that illustrate the labor saving feature - the lack of a POINTED top on the structures.

Also; for those of your who are apprehensive of, or have a fear, a dread or just plain don't like camels - these tours are for you!

You'll be guaranteed that no camelids will infest your burnoose and no cureloms will be begging for handouts; either.

17 posted on 05/03/2013 4:37:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SunkenCiv

I bet the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t pay for this study.


18 posted on 05/03/2013 4:44:58 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Elsie

sorry but shaw and nik look pretty much the same.

what say you ancient one?


19 posted on 05/03/2013 6:08:19 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Eh...

different hairstyles.

but that KUN is close to glyphic porn!


20 posted on 05/04/2013 6:53:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

what would happen if chan sat on kun i wonder?


21 posted on 05/04/2013 9:08:14 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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