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To: SatinDoll

Uh, let me get this straight. DNA evidence indicates invaders from the south of Harrapa invaded and destroyed Harrapan civilization?

In cas eyou think I’m black - I’m not - I’m white.

I believe in western civilization and culture. But our Indo-European ancestors were a war-like and aggressive people who used hroses, weapons and carts to spread their culture and language all over the western world - fortunately for us.

I never heard of that theory of which you speak.

30 posted on 05/10/2013 7:20:25 AM PDT by ZULU ((See:
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I suspect our timelines are quite different. The Harrapan Civilization is the result of people migrating from southern India.

Twelve thousand years ago the sea level was lower than today due to so much of the earth’s water being locked up in ice. It was on average about 400’ lower world wide.

The result of this situation was that much of the major continents had open land along their shores and those in the temperate climates closer to the equator were comfortable to humans.

The Indian government is today exploring what are presently offshore marine archaeological sites - cities made of stone - that are approximately 30 kilometers from the present shoreline.

Marine flooding caused by the end of the Ice Age destroyed what were formerly thriving communities along coastlines. It didn’t just happen in India; it happened in the Middle East - the Persian Gulf used to be dry land out past the present day Straights of Hormuz - and the English Channel and Dogger Banks used to be dry land connecting today’s England with the European continent.

By 7500 years ago the sea level was higher than it is today, averaging 16’ higher, and in some places up to 50’ higher. The destruction world-wide of coastline communities was profound, resulting in global flood stories.

The people moving north across India were fleeing destruction caused by marine flooding. These were the people who established the Harrapan civilization long before Indo-Aryans began migrating south.

I’m glad you mentioned horses. That is an excellent method on tracing where invaders originated; looking at existing horses and their genetics to determine origination.

It is an excellent method, and proves that in Europe the earliest horses came from the area north of the Black Sea and developing along the edges of the Ice pack. These were not large animals, but pony size like the Shetland Pony, the Icelandic Pony (called Horse Type 1), and the Norwegian Fjord Pony (Horse Type 2).

Further east, in the area around the Caspian Sea, the horses were taller and lighter framed. This is called Horse Type 3, and it inhabited Central Asia and is the presumed ancestor of the Old Turkmene horse, and thus today’s oldest known breed of horse, the Akhal-teke.

I would suspect that invaders from central Asia would come riding Turkmene type horses, and so we would expect to find equine DNA from Turkmene horses deeply inbedded in today’s horse population in India. That’s not the case.

There is a brief but interesting section in Wikipedia, Indo-Aryan migration theories, which you might find interesting. If anything it presents a picture that is anything but clear.

When I attended college in the early 1970s, the Indo-Aryan invasion of India was accepted as fact though there was scant evidence to support it.

A few years ago I read an article detailing the points of convergence between a linguistic study and a genetic study proving that an Aryan invasion of India was nonsense.

Who knows what further studies will bring?

31 posted on 05/10/2013 3:58:33 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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