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Patrol: 5 women die in limo fire on Calif. bridge
Associated Press ^ | 05/05/2013 05:26:22 AM PDT

Posted on 05/05/2013 7:34:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin

SAN MATEO, Calif.—A limousine traveling on a major bridge in the San Francisco area burst into flames, killing five female passengers who were trapped inside and injuring four others who escaped, authorities said Sunday.

The limo was carrying nine female passengers and a male driver when it caught fire late Saturday on the San Mateo bridge, California Highway Patrol officer Art Montiel told The Associated Press.

The patrol said that smoke started coming out of the rear of the limo, and the driver pulled over as the vehicle quickly became engulfed in flames. Officers were trying to determine the cause of the blaze, which wasn't the result of an accident.

"We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from," CHP officer Amelia Jack told KGO-TV.

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KEYWORDS: california

1 posted on 05/05/2013 7:34:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Something flammable in the trunk?
2 posted on 05/05/2013 7:40:25 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle (Hil)
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"We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from"

Aaaaannnnd we have a new candidate for State Motto.

3 posted on 05/05/2013 7:40:42 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

My theory - based upon absolutely nothing but wild speculation — is that the fire started due to careless smoking by one or more of the passengers.


4 posted on 05/05/2013 7:42:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Freebasing?


5 posted on 05/05/2013 7:44:11 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman

Something like that.


6 posted on 05/05/2013 7:45:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: martin_fierro
"We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from"

Aaaaannnnd we have a new candidate for State Motto.

Well, it would fit. But the GOPe may well already own the copyright.

7 posted on 05/05/2013 7:47:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: BenLurkin

Flame retardant materials have been required in vehicle interiors for decades. That doesn’t mean it won’t burn but it’s very difficult to ignite under any reasonable circumstance such as a dropped cigarette. Something served as an accelerant. Flammable liquor?


8 posted on 05/05/2013 7:50:49 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: martin_fierro

Indeed fits the democrat controled state.


9 posted on 05/05/2013 7:51:11 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: RegulatorCountry

Possible that.


10 posted on 05/05/2013 7:51:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Those women were HOT!!


11 posted on 05/05/2013 7:52:00 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

You trying to be funny?


12 posted on 05/05/2013 7:52:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“Something flammable in the trunk?”

That’s what I’m thinking. It was a Lincoln Town Car type limo. To hold 9 passengers it must have been a stretch version. It must have started with flammables. The driver could have kept gasoline in the trunk that leaked or it could have been something the passengers had with them. Or as others have mentioned freebasing. In any case it was a terrible way to go.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/california/ci_23117700/bridge-may-5-2013?nstrack=sid:790366|met:0000300|cat:0|order:10&%2F%3Fsource=dailyme


13 posted on 05/05/2013 7:58:32 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Banksters are coming for your retirement, pensions & property. But first they want your firearms)
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To: apoliticalone

I think the fire is electrical in nature and they should look at who wired the lights, speakers etc in the limo. I have seen a poorly wired alarm set the center console of a vehicle on fire and the car went up in just a few seconds once the fire was noticed.

When you open the doors to get out, there is a bunch more oxygen and the fire can really take off fast.


14 posted on 05/05/2013 8:06:12 AM PDT by willyd
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To: BenLurkin

This is nothing to joke about. There is no evidence in the article that the women did anything to cause the fire that resulted in their horrifying deaths. They could have been out on the town to celebrate a birthday, or a bachelorette party. This is just tragic.


15 posted on 05/05/2013 8:06:16 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: RegulatorCountry
Something served as an accelerant. Flammable liquor?

Flammable liquor?

In a Limo???

16 posted on 05/05/2013 8:12:00 AM PDT by null and void ("Och, aye 'twas a huge beastie the shape of a haggis but the size o' the football pitch at Dunkeld!")
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To: coloradan

DB


17 posted on 05/05/2013 8:18:43 AM PDT by albie (s)
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To: dfwgator; coloradan
Even I, with my very limited grasp of good taste, avoided any comments about Limo Lezboes and friction as an ignition source.

For all we know these were Parochial school girls on their way to prom with the boys at the gender segregated Parochial school across the bay.

In any event, a horrible way to die. "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from" Aaaaannnnd we have a new candidate for State Motto.

18 posted on 05/05/2013 8:19:26 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: BenLurkin

These women were likely out on the town. It could be a combination of liquor, hair spray, cigarettes...


19 posted on 05/05/2013 8:21:01 AM PDT by albie (s)
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To: BenLurkin
"We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from," CHP officer Amelia Jack told KGO-TV.

That's easy. They were headed from one side of the Bay to the other. *facepalm*

I used to drive across that bridge a lot, and it's a pretty long span with few places to pull over in case of emergency.

20 posted on 05/05/2013 8:28:20 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: BenLurkin

I wonder why 2 of the gals were taken to Valley Medical in San Jose... it’s far from where they were...


21 posted on 05/05/2013 8:30:07 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: martin_fierro
"We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from"

Aaaaannnnd we have a new candidate for State Motto.

Oh man, you hit it good.

FMCDH(BITS)

22 posted on 05/05/2013 8:30:30 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: null and void

People drink in the passenger compartments of limousines. Some liquors are flammable. Not just Everclear. Most brandy, Grand Marnier, cognac, others.

Vehicle interiors don’t just ignite, there was something that served as an accelerant. Freebasing has been mentioned, too. Would people freebasing in the back of a limousine be more or less inclined to be drinking Couvoisier, and would they even notice at first, if they’d lit something on fire unintentionally?


23 posted on 05/05/2013 8:33:42 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: latina4dubya
I wonder why 2 of the gals were taken to Valley Medical in San Jose... it’s far from where they were...

Illegal aliens have shut down many of the emergency rooms in the bay area.

24 posted on 05/05/2013 8:34:23 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: latina4dubya
I wonder why 2 of the gals were taken to Valley Medical in San Jose... it’s far from where they were...

Dunno, closest available burn unit maybe?

25 posted on 05/05/2013 8:36:09 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: RegulatorCountry

The other thread suggests the fire started in the trunk. I’m guessing multi-kilowatt stereo system cooked off.


26 posted on 05/05/2013 8:38:12 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: latina4dubya

Stanford and Valley Med are trauma centers.

http://www.emsa.ca.gov/systems/Trauma/default.asp

There are none in San Mateo County.


27 posted on 05/05/2013 8:41:51 AM PDT by moviefan8
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To: BenLurkin

Well BenL it appears the other thread got to the bottom line, which is no emergency exits ahead of the back doors which were inaccesible due to the fire. No access to the front doors in such limos and no way out but the rear doors. When the trunk goes up in smoke you are trapped. Doesn’t happen very often but...


28 posted on 05/05/2013 8:44:48 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Shades of Apollo 1.


29 posted on 05/05/2013 8:46:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: null and void

Given that the manufacture of stretch limousines, aftermarket as they are, might possibly not be as subject to regulation upon the use of flammable materials and often do involve fairly elaborate electrical components such as sound systems and interior light displays, I suppose that an electrical malfunction could have set the whole thing off, but rapidly enough to cause fatalities to a majority of passengers? That was more akin to an interior fireball, imho, so I still lean to a flammable substance, an accelerant of some kind.


30 posted on 05/05/2013 8:47:19 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: null and void; Navy Patriot

Yes... i am sure it is because Valley Med in SJ has a burn unit... i just looked it up...


31 posted on 05/05/2013 8:50:29 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

That and some flame retardants can be simply washed away with plain water. I’d guess a limo occasionally needs to be hosed out. Do that a few times, have an ill timed Everclear spill...


32 posted on 05/05/2013 8:52:30 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: BenLurkin

This is the bridge to San Jose.What a terrible tragedy!!!!!


33 posted on 05/05/2013 8:54:56 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: moviefan8

Yes, i knew that about Stanford... i did not know that about Valley Med... until i just read that it has a burn unit...


34 posted on 05/05/2013 8:55:15 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: martin_fierro

Exactly!I spent the first 39-years of my life in California.I am a native of Santa Monica and I grew up in Malibu and whenever I am out there,I hardly recognize the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 05/05/2013 8:56:37 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: wita
Well BenL it appears the other thread got to the bottom line, which is no emergency exits ahead of the back doors which were inaccesible due to the fire. No access to the front doors in such limos and no way out but the rear doors. When the trunk goes up in smoke you are trapped. Doesn’t happen very often but...

Only one exit, it's through the flames, it's locked when the vehicle is in motion, and no Halon or other fire suppression system.

Plenty of places for greedy lawyers and grieving loved ones to point fingers.

Plenty pf places for conniving lawmakers to carve out reputations and fiefdoms.

36 posted on 05/05/2013 8:57:03 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: BenLurkin

Maybe they should go back to gasoline-powered limos, rather than trying to adapt a Chevy Volt.


37 posted on 05/05/2013 8:59:12 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: null and void

Everclear is not to be trifled with, it puts Sterno to shame in the blue flame department and not nearly as subtle.

What is this other thread conclusion involving exit doors? Stretch Town Cars have the rear doors in the factory location, just ahead of the trunk, beside the original rear seat. The added “stretch” portion is in the middle of the car between the driver and the rear seat. Those closest to any fire originating in the trunk would feel or smell it first and be right beside the exit doors. If anyone was trapped it was because the driver didn’t stop so they could get out. Given the ugly choices at hand I’m surprised someone didn’t jump out of the moving vehicle. Incapacitated somehow?


38 posted on 05/05/2013 9:02:30 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

The doors are locked to prevent a drunken passenger from taking a header out of a moving limo.


39 posted on 05/05/2013 9:08:43 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: martin_fierro

I drove by the accident last evening in the opposite direction. I got a brief look at the limo. By that time, the fire had been put out. However, it was obvious that there had been a fire in the rear passenger portion of the limo. From the perspective of my viewpoint, the driver’s side rear of the limo passenger compartment had been blown open by hot flames as if there had been a giant blowtorch pointed at the rear side window from the rear seat. The hole was about 2’ x 3’ in size. It was by far the most overt sign of damage to the vehicle from the oncoming traffic side view. It did not appear to me that the fire started elsewhere such as the gas tank or trunk and then spread to the passenger compartment; rather, it looked like it started in the passenger compartment. However, I do not have any particular expertise in that area.


40 posted on 05/05/2013 9:10:00 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH
Photos here.

Freeper eye witness, priceless.

41 posted on 05/05/2013 9:22:52 AM PDT by null and void (CA State Moto: "We have no idea right now where they were going or where they were coming from")
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To: null and void

The windows aren’t.


42 posted on 05/05/2013 9:26:41 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: BenLurkin

Total speculation here also, but a tipped over bottle of alcohol and a cigarette lighter would be a major problem too.


43 posted on 05/05/2013 9:51:58 AM PDT by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Great post!


44 posted on 05/05/2013 10:46:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: RegulatorCountry
That doesn’t mean it won’t burn but it’s very difficult to ignite under any reasonable circumstance such as a dropped cigarette. Something served as an accelerant. Flammable liquor?

Possible. High-proof liquor dropped onto fabric while somebody was smoking. Cigarette embers ignite fabric. Panic ensues.

45 posted on 05/05/2013 10:50:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: BobL

Ha, there is no way that a Lincoln Towncar stretch limo was powered solely by electricity.


46 posted on 05/05/2013 1:31:51 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

“Ha, there is no way that a Lincoln Towncar stretch limo was powered solely by electricity.”

Of course...but it is California. Hmmm.


47 posted on 05/05/2013 4:52:02 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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