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“The Walking Dead”: Anti-libertarian, the grim counterpoint to every argument against state power .
salon ^ | Sunday, May 5, 2013 03:00 PM CDT | By Steven Lloyd Wilson

Posted on 05/05/2013 8:19:31 PM PDT by virgil283

"There comes a moment in nearly all post-apocalyptic stories when the characters are compelled to take to the road. In reality, if there is such a thing, people would do the exact opposite. They stay in familiar halls, linger on the same few streets that are most comfortable. The staples of the genre’s thought experiment would hold true in the real world: the breakdown of order, the need to rummage further and further from home...

All of these events are the slow stripping away of the vestiges of the state, deriving step by step the hell that waits at the logical end of the libertarian impulse, a counterpoint to every argument against state power. From a certain perspective, the state is our greatest invention, for all the horrors it has wrought when wielded darkly....


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: antilibertarian; libertarian; thewalkingdead; walkingdead
Final line "The only way we can re-experience the birth of civilization is to first destroy it." --- What ???
1 posted on 05/05/2013 8:19:31 PM PDT by virgil283
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To: virgil283

Salon.... lol


2 posted on 05/05/2013 8:23:39 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: virgil283

It is salon...

Here is the intent of one of the founders.

Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

One of the others said that the best government is the least, being local and then state. Then way at the bottom is the federal.


3 posted on 05/05/2013 8:41:04 PM PDT by crz
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To: virgil283
Final line "The only way we can re-experience the birth of civilization is to first destroy it." --- What ???

I think this makes more sense than that: La-bibbida-bibba-dum La-bibbida-do.

4 posted on 05/05/2013 8:44:52 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: virgil283

There are some great things to a government in a nation. When they are sparsest, they are best.

There are some terrible things to a government in a nation. When they are the most onerous, they are the most terrifying.

You may quote me.


5 posted on 05/05/2013 8:45:04 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’ve noticed a real assault on libertarians by the left recently.


6 posted on 05/05/2013 9:11:03 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish

Not on their social positions, the left seems fully happy with those.

Actually the left and rinos are even starting to use ‘libertarian’ to describe many of their views and positions.


7 posted on 05/05/2013 10:23:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Blackirish

Once upon a time, the interests of the left and of libertarians overlapped.

No more.


8 posted on 05/06/2013 4:41:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: ansel12

No....The left hates libertarians more then the social conservatives. One thing the left and so -cons have in common is to keep the heavy hand of government in your life.
Libertarians want to keep go back to the founding fathers and the Constitution and have a limited role for government.


9 posted on 05/06/2013 5:55:25 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: virgil283
"The only way we can re-experience the birth of civilization is to first destroy it."

In other words, anarchy is unstable. You get rid of one government, and the people (in self-defense) must create SOMETHING to replace it, something that will organize protection against random predators.

When Rome fell, there were no more Roman legions to maintain order and hunt down bandits and raiders. So feudalism had to come into being, where the local rich man created strongholds to protect the harvests against raiders, and hired armed men to protect the territory.

10 posted on 05/06/2013 6:11:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: virgil283
All of these events are the slow stripping away of the vestiges of the state, deriving step by step the hell that waits at the logical end of the libertarian impulse, a counterpoint to every argument against state power.

So if we abolish the government we'll be overrun by zombies? Oh wait, if the government is abolished all those government workers will be set loose. Makes sense, actually.

11 posted on 05/06/2013 7:31:24 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: virgil283
That has been the goal of the Bolsheviks all along.

Destroy civilization and rebuild it along Marxist principals.

It is an insane idea - and not just because Marx was himself a loon.

Our civilization takes thousands of years to develop The American republic was once the culmination, the acme of three thousands years of Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Anglo-American cultural advancements.

It is now being destroyed over the course of mere decades.

It cannot be replace overnight — not by anything other than a Frankenstein's monster of a society.

Winston Churchill was eerily prescient: “...the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.”

12 posted on 05/06/2013 7:55:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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And here it is after a better proof-read:

That has been the goal of the Bolsheviks all along.

Destroy civilization and rebuild it along Marxist principals.

It is an insane idea - and not just because Marx was himself a loon.

Our civilization took thousands of years to develop. The American Republic was once the culmination, the acme of three thousand years of Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, Anglo-American cultural advancements.

It is now being destroyed over the course of mere decades.

It cannot be replaced overnight — not by anything other than a Frankenstein’s monster of a society.

Winston Churchill was eerily prescient: “...the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.”


13 posted on 05/06/2013 7:58:37 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Blackirish

LOL, that is childishly ridiculous, laughable, no one is more hated by the left and the media than the 80% conservative voting Evangelicals.

The media and the left share the social leftism of the libertarians, and more and more rinos and liberals embrace libertarian views on social issues and rightfully call themselves libertarian.

Social liberals are massively, overwhelmingly democrat voters and Obama supporters.


14 posted on 05/06/2013 8:50:58 AM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: virgil283; Valpal1; APatientMan; CatherineofAragon; LibertarianLiz; Radagast the Fool; shotgun; ...
Liberal writer at Salon pens an anti-libertarian critique of The Walking Dead.

Walking Dead ping!

Please let me know if you would like on or off The Walking Dead ping list.



15 posted on 05/06/2013 10:04:35 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: crz
One of the others said that the best government is the least, being local and then state. Then way at the bottom is the federal

And, this is because we have a much better chance of controlling the politicians if they are at the local level. We can also do it more easily at the state level. However, once you get to the national level, it is very hard to control what these people are doing.

16 posted on 05/06/2013 11:23:09 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

I know that, you know that, but convince others.


17 posted on 05/06/2013 11:25:27 AM PDT by crz
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To: virgil283
He doesn't understand either libertarianism or the "post-apocalyptic" situation.

So far as I know, most libertarians have no problem with a state that protects lives and property.

They even think such a minimal state would perform those tasks better than the kind of government we have now.

Wilson is one of those SF geeks, who apparently aren't any better at attacking libertarianism than they are at defending it.

18 posted on 05/06/2013 2:18:27 PM PDT by x
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To: virgil283

Truly trying my best to understand that last line in a terribly written article and the best I can do is come up with an analogy: To experience the birth of an effective alternative to our current law breaking regime, we must first tear down the GOPe tent before we can re build a true Conservative party.


19 posted on 05/06/2013 2:34:51 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Lazamataz

As a matter of fact I plan on doing just that Laz. You so accurately described the role governments can play in two concise sentences so we can properly communicate with the Obama zombie nitwits. Brevity is indeed the soul of wit.
Godspeed Friend.


20 posted on 05/06/2013 2:44:58 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: JerseyDvl

Thank you... :)


21 posted on 05/06/2013 3:47:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: virgil283

“From a certain perspective, the state is our greatest invention...”

Liberals. Pffft...


22 posted on 05/06/2013 4:37:18 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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