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Police facing questions in Cleveland rescue
AP ^ | THOMAS J. SHEERAN and JOHN COYNE

Posted on 05/07/2013 3:51:42 PM PDT by Morgana

CLEVELAND (AP) -- One neighbor says a naked woman was seen crawling on her hands and knees in the backyard of the house a few years ago. Another heard pounding on the home's doors and noticed plastic bags over the windows.

Both times, police showed up but never went inside, neighbors say. Police also paid a visit to the house in 2004, but no one answered the door.

Now, after three women who vanished a decade ago were found captive Monday at the peeling, rundown house, Cleveland police are facing questions for the second time in four years about their handling of missing-person cases and are conducting an internal review to see if they overlooked anything.

City Safety Director Martin Flask said Tuesday that investigators had no record of anyone calling about criminal activity at the house but were still checking police, fire and emergency databases.

The three women were rescued after one of them kicked out the bottom portion of a locked screen door and used a neighbor's telephone to call 911.

"Help me. I'm Amanda Berry," she breathlessly told a dispatcher in a call that exhilarated and astonished much of the city. "I've been kidnapped and I've been missing for 10 years and I'm, I'm here, I'm free now."

Berry, 27, Michelle Knight, 32, and Gina DeJesus, about 23, had apparently been held captive in the house since their teens or early 20s, said Police Chief Michael McGrath.

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TOPICS: Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: amandaberry; berry; cleaveland

1 posted on 05/07/2013 3:51:43 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Failing any evidence of egigence or probable cause there isn’t much else they could do.


2 posted on 05/07/2013 3:56:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Morgana

When seconds count....police are only ten years away.


3 posted on 05/07/2013 4:03:51 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Vendome
"Failing any evidence of exigence or probable cause there isn’t much else they could do."

The neighbors could bought a few boxes of donuts and encouraged the popos to stake the place out for a few days.

MooseShell could have done a caloric count of food entering the house for a month and discovered something fishy.

4 posted on 05/07/2013 4:05:10 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Ouch


5 posted on 05/07/2013 4:06:08 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Morgana

Boston police would have kicked down doors and arrested protesters and do a very through search in the WRONG neighborhood.


6 posted on 05/07/2013 4:12:02 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I love you guys. No really, I do.


7 posted on 05/07/2013 4:13:00 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Vendome

Haven’t you figured it out, you’re supposed to be enraged that police acted within the constitution this week.

Yes its pathetic but there really isn’t all that much difference between conservatives and liberals once moral courage evaporates.


8 posted on 05/07/2013 4:13:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CIB-173RDABN; Chode

CIB

I needed that!

As it would happen, in a day in the life of Morgana, someone threatened to kill me today. Not kidding! Twice he said “I’m going to kill you”. The police would not take a police report because the man who did it is mentally defective and they told me he can’t harm me. This even though other men had to hold him down from trying to attack me. Is it any wonder the mentally ill are going around killing people in this country?


9 posted on 05/07/2013 4:16:27 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Vendome

The SWAT team could have conducted a drug raid on the house — ohh we have the wrong house.


10 posted on 05/07/2013 4:19:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 21twelve

PING


11 posted on 05/07/2013 4:21:57 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Chip! Drug raid? How about illegal immigration?


12 posted on 05/07/2013 4:22:44 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Not sure how to respond. You will have to determine if the threat is real or not. I would not trust the police since mentally ill people often act on their impulses.

The simple solution is to not be anywhere that this person is, if that is not possible then perhaps a restraining order.

This will not protect you but it would lead to an arrest if the person got too close.


13 posted on 05/07/2013 4:25:28 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Morgana

Thanks!


14 posted on 05/07/2013 4:26:35 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: cripplecreek

Apparently, today is: “I’m outraged the police did not act outside their constitutional authority Day.”


15 posted on 05/07/2013 4:28:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

In my world all situations are different and pretty much none of them are perfect.


16 posted on 05/07/2013 4:31:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

I go back tomorrow to talk to the Chief of Police. If I have to go to the State Police to file a report I will. I have also been told by legal counsel to which mental health agencies to contact to report this man. It appears he may have some sort of caregiver who is not care-giving. He has done this before. I don’t know the nature of his problem only he has acted out violently in the past.

I am only telling you this because I too have seen that the police don’t seem to care anymore. I even suggested a mental hygiene be taken out on the man and the officer lied and said “only the family can do that” This is not true.


17 posted on 05/07/2013 4:33:54 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
how hard is it to get a carry permit there?
18 posted on 05/07/2013 4:35:12 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Not hard at all.


19 posted on 05/07/2013 4:38:11 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: mountainlion

Some one was on a news show last night/this morning suggesting just that very approach. But, we are constrained by citizens rights to privacy.


20 posted on 05/07/2013 4:38:54 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Morgana
I'm sort of surprised these three women were held for ten years and could not find a way to escape...

Don't read into that statement anything other than curiosity...

Their captives must have had a real tight system to keep the under wraps...

21 posted on 05/07/2013 4:43:05 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Morgana
City Safety Director Martin Flask said Tuesday that investigators had no record of anyone calling about criminal activity at the house but were still checking police, fire and emergency databases.

Ohh so we're going to limit our investigation to criminal activity only. How about reports of suspicious things at that location and how many times the police followed up and knocked on the door and no one answered. Or do you just want to wait until there is a dead body so you can use your chalk.

22 posted on 05/07/2013 4:45:35 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Popman

This is not the first time something like this has happened. Gary Heidnik kept five chained in his basement. So very easily they were tied up, or locked in a room.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 4:48:08 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
Now there are reports of neighbors calling police when seeing a nude woman in the backyard and of a girl holding a baby in 2011 and calling for help. In the latter case, the police came, knocked on the door, and when nobody answered, they went away. btw, all men are from Puerto Rico and the Puerto Rico flag flied on the house.
24 posted on 05/07/2013 4:55:06 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Morgana
Gary Heidnik

Never heard of him...Google cleared that up...

Makes one wonder how many other women are chained up somewhere we never hear about...

25 posted on 05/07/2013 5:03:04 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: cripplecreek

Well they don`t have a very good track record, heard of the Sowell murders? That’s the guy who killed then hid women IN his Cleveland home for years, all the while the Cleveland PD received numerous complaints from neighbors of the stench of rotting flesh coming from the house.


26 posted on 05/07/2013 6:48:10 PM PDT by nomad
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To: 1rudeboy
No but IF you lived in or near Cleveland, and I do, you`d know that the cops there are your classic donut scarfing, fat assed lazy, roust the law abiding because they`re to chicken shit to mess with the gang-banger, creeps with badges.
27 posted on 05/07/2013 6:51:45 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Chode
Ohio is a CCW state but I don`t live in Cuyahoga County so I don`t know bout Cleveland, just go up there from time to time when I HAVE TOO, other than that, screw Cleveland AND Akron, leftist sh!t holes! We held a couple of Tea-Party rallies there and the cops were almost as hostile as the ghetto trash.
28 posted on 05/07/2013 6:57:12 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Morgana
City Safety Director ..

So is that the cop boss or the goobers to blame for all those damned warning labels and wet floor thingies at the grocery ??

29 posted on 05/07/2013 6:58:20 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat

The what?


30 posted on 05/07/2013 7:01:35 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: nomad
a lot of them are prolly related...
31 posted on 05/07/2013 7:02:49 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana
Sorry M, didn't see your #9 above before cracking wise .. was referring to those yellow 'caution wet floor' things and .. oh nevermind.

Do not hesitate to get State cops involved if nothing comes of the meeting with the Chief in the morning.
They'll likely have access to resources that the locals don't.

In the meantime, sleep with an eye open and something at hand to defend yourself.

32 posted on 05/07/2013 7:07:25 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Uncle Chip

I am not aware there were any dogs there. What would be the purpose? /s


33 posted on 05/07/2013 11:36:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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