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Reloaders: solution to ammunition shortage?
5-9-2013 | vanity

Posted on 05/09/2013 1:46:51 PM PDT by topher

At one time, it was popular for people to reload their own ammunition. In fact, at one time in American History, it was necessary.

It seems like this might be a hot topic for some people so that they can get enough ammunition for target practice, etc.

Obviously, those people who do not have ammunition, it would not solve their problems.

But if one could buy the brass casings, the bullets, and the gunpowder -- they could make their own ammunition.

Is this popular right now? Could someone hundreds of brass casings and bullets along with gunpowder, and keep themselves in good steed in terms of a supply of ammunition?

Is this a way to defeat the government buyout of ammunition?


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I have not seen anything on Freerepublic on this. Maybe I did not look hard enough...
1 posted on 05/09/2013 1:46:51 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher

All popular pistol and rifle powders are gone here. Primers are impossible to find.

The only stuff still around are a minimal selection of shotgun reloading items that don’t have a cross over use in pistol or rifle.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 1:48:46 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: topher

Yes, you didn’t look hard enough.

You would need primers too and last time I checked (it’s been awhile) they were in short supply too.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 1:49:23 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite
I tried the keyword reloaders -- using the freerepublic engine. I guess I should have used google...
4 posted on 05/09/2013 1:51:42 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

I’d like to see new ammo makers start up in Mexico.

I’d support them over US makers.

US makers are traitors that have chosen the DHS over the citizens.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 1:52:27 PM PDT by NoLibZone (None here can be puzzled by why Jews walked into the cars so quietly- we are walking up the planks.)
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To: topher

Components are a bit hard to come by but you can load at your leisure. You cannot reload rim fire. My fun shootin’ is usually 32 caliber. I can reload 32 hr mag for 8 or 9 cents each.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 1:52:50 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: topher
Lots of people reload, but primers, powder, bullets, and brass cases are as scarce right now as factory ammunition.

So if you planned ahead and stocked up on components, you're sitting as pretty as the "crazy" prepper who bought ammunition by the 1,000 round case.

If you didn't stock up on either components or factory loaded ammunition, it's now too late to start.

7 posted on 05/09/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: topher

Becareful using reloaders as a search term. You are liable to get threads on FR cruises and Inaugural Balls with alot of drinking, fighting, and _____________. ;)


8 posted on 05/09/2013 1:53:21 PM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: Tijeras_Slim
All popular pistol and rifle powders are gone here. Primers are impossible to find.

Not really. Try the internet. You will be limited to something like 50,000 primers per shipment due to DOT regulations.

9 posted on 05/09/2013 1:54:28 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: topher

‘banglist’ is the keyword to use for all things related to firearms.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 1:54:34 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: topher

Did a search, and didn’t see any threads specifically addressing reloading component shortages. It’s usually mentioned on threads about ammo shortages, and there’s tons of those.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 1:55:18 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TigersEye
I know now... I thought reloaders was a good keyword.

It appears, besides 'banglist', there are:

'reload'

'ammo'

Sounds like me thread on the NRA convention should have the keyword 'banglist'

12 posted on 05/09/2013 1:57:51 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

A number of shot shell powders work well in pistol loads. Blue dot and green dot were viable .45ACP propellants in the early eighties. Just about anything available can be made to work with testing. Rifle powder burns too slowly for really good pistol results, but in a pinch, if it makes the thing go bang (as opposed to boom), then......

Primers can be had, they are just VERY scarce.

youtube had some interesting sources for lead....

Cases, hold what you have, and get in good with a local range. There are still folks out there who are not policing their brass!

Good hunting.
KYPD


13 posted on 05/09/2013 1:59:45 PM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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To: mountainlion

Did a quick look at Brownells, Midway, Precision Reloading, Recobs, and Graf & Sons... all I could find were some small rifle ar Recobs. Large Pistol... none to be had.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 2:00:52 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: petro45acp

I had to go the other way... I was using Unique in 20 gauge and had to switch over to International Clays.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 2:01:57 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: petro45acp

The prepared reloader is able to shoot all he/she wants..

I started this recent panic with about 40,000 primers. I’m down to about 15K now, having sold the rest at a premium to those who don’t think to plan ahead.

Powder-wise, I’m good through the end of this decade, I think and I have enough bullets to last a few years. I have 500 lbs of lead in 1lb ingots and bullet molds for my favorite calibers and a nice little electric smelter.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 2:03:55 PM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: topher

Reloading is great! Except that components are very hard to find right now.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 2:04:36 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: topher

It’s all in how you frame the question. Reloading key word brought up several hits on FR.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 2:05:09 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: topher
'banglist' is the only keyword that is consistently used for firearms related threads. All other keywords are pretty hit or miss.

If you really want to see how popular reloading is do a search on suppliers of reloading equipment like Midway for an example. They have been in business for decades and have done nothing but grow.

There must be millions of reloading presses sitting in garages, shops and dens around the country gathering dust along with tons of components. I have pounds of gunpowder, thousands of primers, boxes of brass and bullets and haven't reloaded a case in the 15 years since I collected it all. I know several people who have supplies that dwarf my collection and haven't loaded much, if anything, for years. There is enough out there to load trillions of rounds of ammo.

19 posted on 05/09/2013 2:05:37 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I got some Wolf Russian primers form somewhere in Kansas last time. I can’t remember where.


20 posted on 05/09/2013 2:12:21 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: NoLibZone
"US makers are traitors that have chosen the DHS over the citizens."

What is the basis for such an absurd statement?

21 posted on 05/09/2013 2:22:47 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: TigersEye

Reloading equipment is going for exorbitant prices on Ebay. But in some cases, that is the only place you can find some of the equipment. Carbide dies are selling on EBAY for double the normal price. Bullets for reloading are non-existant in Oregon.


22 posted on 05/09/2013 2:30:26 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: topher

I restocked on reloading components beginning in January.

Bought new press & more dies. Also more shotshell components and dies.

Think I am in fair shape now.

Brass was the hard part and I do not shoot exotic calibers.

I have been able to get powder and primers OK.

Pray it is never needed, but am set up to reload most every gun I own.

And it can be cheap. With cast bullets I can reload 30-30 brass for 12-15 cents per round.

I bought a new 30 caliber bullet mold for my 30-30 (170 gr FP) that could in a pinch be shot in 308, 30-06 and some other 30 caliber cartridges. Evidently others have had that thought, it appears now that almost all the popular bullet molds are sold out at the on-line shooting suppliers.


23 posted on 05/09/2013 2:31:35 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: topher

I’ve been reloading a lot in the past week getting ready for a competition next month. But I stocked up a couple of years ago after the first obama scare.


24 posted on 05/09/2013 2:34:46 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: NoLibZone

The DHS was started to be the hub of information between the gov groups.

They did not do well in Boston.

Shut down the DHS now.


25 posted on 05/09/2013 2:34:53 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: aimhigh

All of which is an indication of how high interest in reloading is.


26 posted on 05/09/2013 2:36:13 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Husband and son just spent about 500.00 on reloading supplies. There is a man that travels through Ohio and Michigan and he was in Michigan last weekend with all the supplies you need for reloading. People came from all over for one day event. It was at a big gun range, sportsmen club in Michigan.

Both husband and son have reloading machines they bought a few years ago when they saw the way things were going down hill fast with ‘gun” issue. Both have stocked up and will continue to stock up until it’s not possible anymore...


27 posted on 05/09/2013 2:36:24 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: topher
It is possible to get reloading components, but it takes a lot of effort. There is a thread on AR15.com that tracks the availability of all things shooting. When something becomes available over the Internet they post it. I've seen where in a matter of minutes that things go out of stock.

I have been having luck getting small pistol primers locally. I buy a brick ever time I see one in stock. Since the beginning of the year I have bought six bricks. The latest being two weeks ago. I haven't seen rifle primers in bulk since last year. I refuse to pay a premium for 100 primers at a time. Powder has been hit or miss. I am not seeing 8 lb containers for the powders that I use.

Jacketed bullets are very difficult to buy anywhere, especially in bulk. I have a local manufacturer for lead bullets. I have started running some of my handguns with lead. That works for practice and I just buy self defense ammo at the store. Which is also hit or miss.

28 posted on 05/09/2013 2:37:25 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Texas Fossil

Received following email. Not checked for accuracy.

PROOF THAT WE HAVE SOME IDIOTS/TRAITORS IN WASHINGTON

This is totally crazy and it should make you want to slap the hell out of the idiots we have in Washington DC .

Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America . They sell 9mm, .45, .223 ammunition. They normally buy spent brass from the US Department of Defense. Spent brass is “one time used” shell cases used by our Military for training purposes. They buy the brass, recondition it, and then reload the brass for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Clubs, Gun Shops, and stores like Wal-Mart. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time.

This week the DoD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and informed him that from now on the DoD will be destroying the spent brass, shredding it. It will no longer be available to the ammo makers, unless they buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have no use for). The shredded brass is now going to be sold by the DoD to China as scrap metal, after the DoD pays for it to be shredded. The DoD is selling the brass to China for less money than the ammo makers have been paying, plus the DoD has to pay to have the brass shredded and do the accounting paperwork.

This sure helps the economy now doesn’t it? Sell cheaper to China , and do not sell at all to a proven US business. Any hidden agenda working here? Obama going after the Firearms Industry and our ammunition!! The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week. The DoD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. Shell cases he had already bought! The brass has no value to the ammo maker if it is destroyed/shredded/melted. The ammo manufacturer only uses the empty brass cases to reload different calibers, mainly .223 bullets.

The owner of Georgia Arms says that he will have to lay off at least half of his 60 workers, within 2-3 months if the DoD will no longer sell spent brass cases to the industry. Georgia Arms has 2-3 months of inventory to use, by summer they’re out. If the Reloading Industry has to purchase new manufacture brass cases, then the cost of ammunition will double or even triple, plus Obama wants to add a 500% tax on each shell.

You can read the information and see the DoD letter to Georgia Arms here: The Shootist Site http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html < https://webmail.metrobrokers.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html > If you’re not outraged at what this administration is doing you should be! Be Afraid! Be Very Very Afraid! Get involved! It’s Your Freedom and Our Country They’re Stealing! If You Fail to Act Now, there may not be a Free United States tomorrow! I implore you to get involved and forward this to as many people as you can. Contact your legislators and put them on notice, We’re fed up with what’s going on in the name of stimulating our economy!


29 posted on 05/09/2013 2:41:10 PM PDT by satan (The tree of liberty is dying in the drought.)
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To: topher
Some brass In stock. The once fired military brass will need to be swagged or reamed. I use a Dillion Super Swagger and it works great.
30 posted on 05/09/2013 2:52:43 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: topher

It’s just about all sold out.


31 posted on 05/09/2013 3:00:45 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: topher
.45/.230 gr JHP In Stock
32 posted on 05/09/2013 3:01:05 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: topher; All

http://youtu.be/AkKJfvMyuDg


33 posted on 05/09/2013 3:04:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: NoLibZone
I’d like to see new ammo makers start up in Mexico.

The Mexican Aguila brand is popular in the US. Warning: they load their cartridges pretty hot. Don't use them in an old gun. However, they're fine in modern guns in good condition.

34 posted on 05/09/2013 3:04:13 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: topher
A good reloading reference (lots of links) on ARFCOM
35 posted on 05/09/2013 3:09:14 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: topher

Though not right now, I am a big advocate of a “Ronco Home Reloader”, because there are a lot of people who could be reloading, but are frightened away by the minimal number of workshop tools involved.

But if you put those tools inside a white plastic case, no problem, even at twice the price.


36 posted on 05/09/2013 3:39:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: mountainlion

If it was from the internet, it was probably Powder Valley. I’ve bought from them, components are hit and miss.

A good reloading manual (or two or three) is critical to handloading, especially these days when your ‘go to’ powder and or component isn’t available. But always, always follow the manual’s recommendations on minimum and maximum loadings and component usage.


37 posted on 05/09/2013 3:43:42 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: topher

In the early 80s I was reading an Elmer Keith book he wrote right after WWII. He mentioned how all reloading supplies and much civilian ammo dried up because of the war effort, and people were out of luck. Elmer was able to keep on shooting from his stockpile, and he said you never know when another war or crisis will pop up, so keep your reloading room stocked up. I took that to heart and have never had problems during the various trying times. The other day I was loading some rifle ammo with a pound of powder marked $6.49, and I have cheaper stuff out there.


38 posted on 05/09/2013 3:54:05 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Texas Fossil

I reload 45 Colt and 45 ACP currently. Can reload 45 Colt for about 16 cents per round versus the 75 cents one would pay for factory ammo.


39 posted on 05/09/2013 3:58:43 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: topher

My buddy say the same at Slim

No primers, no powder, and impossible to get brass, new or used.


40 posted on 05/09/2013 4:04:20 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (The Government is actively preparing to go to War with a significant portion of its own Citizens.)
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To: satan

That was true at one time; the policy was reversed several years ago.


41 posted on 05/09/2013 5:15:47 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: osagebowman
Powder manufactures can give you a lot of good information on the internet also.
42 posted on 05/09/2013 5:40:19 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Primers do hit the market, but they appear and disappear so quickly. You hafta be lucky. About the only thing to do now, is to find vendors that take backorder, and get in line. Another tactic is to get in line for email notifications. There is brass out there, and bullets, powder is spotty, and primers are to die for. Here again, the Rooshans are starting to fill in some of the gaps.


43 posted on 05/09/2013 6:02:36 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper

Another thing, the big retailers are getting some ammo, but limiting the amount that can be purchased (e.g., 100-200 rds), to keep ppl hittin their websites.


44 posted on 05/09/2013 6:07:30 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: topher

Yeah, can’t believe you didn’t know what’s going on.

We re-loaders just can’t get supplies. I have plenty of brass of all caliber’s, and can’t reload.

Now when the re-loaders can’t get supplies - you know things are really bad.

The only dies I don’t have are .45ACP - and looking for months, I cannot find any dies either.

This is downright scary - especially for those of us who are used to being self-sufficient.

I believe it’s a sign of what’s ahead in many other areas. Areas where preppers think they are prepared for anything - but all will be caught in some areas they are not expecting.

I think no one saw this coming......reloader’s not able to get supplies.


45 posted on 05/09/2013 11:25:47 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: Arlis

I have to say that I saw something like this coming. Bought a furnace and molds even though (even as of now) I have no intention of actually casting bullets. Even bought backup die sets in case one set broke. Because during times like this you would be SOL if something broke. Last year and the year before, I spent about every dime of disposable income on guns ammo and reloading gear. I just had a “sense” something lime this was coming but the gun grabs surprised even me.


46 posted on 05/10/2013 3:49:26 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Good for you. I missed it on the reloading supplies.


47 posted on 05/10/2013 3:53:50 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: topher

“Reloading” is just final assembly of parts. That’s not the problem. Those who make primers, shells, powder, and bullets can’t make them fast enough.


48 posted on 05/10/2013 4:01:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

http://patsreloading.com/patsrel/prices.aspx

CCI and WW in stock large pistol. In a pinch you can use large rifle and reduce the load a bit.


49 posted on 05/12/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

Thanks!


50 posted on 05/12/2013 2:59:16 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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