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5/9/2013 | self

Posted on 05/09/2013 6:41:39 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor

Is it possible that the Family Court System in Arizona and perhaps across the nation is broken? Lawyers get Judges involved who cannot or will not make a decision, who in turn appoint a Parenting coordinator, who brings in many other "professionals" to evaluate a small child. Then a Best Interest Attorney is also brought in and MORE evaluations begin. Money, money, money and a system that consumes your entire life and drains your bank accounts.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: childcustody; coordinators; familycourt
Are there any suggestiions on how to end the nightmare that comes with Family Court appointed professionals who are supposed to keep the child's best interest in mind, but who perpetuate the case and their involvement for months on end for monitary reasons only with no end in sight? When they discover that the two parties have money, there are tens of thousands of dollars charged, no progress made. The Parenting Coordinator demands very high hourly rates, demands to be paid in advance in cash only and uses manipulative statements that keep the case going on and on.

What can be done to end the nightmare? Any suggestions?

1 posted on 05/09/2013 6:41:39 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Is this a child custody/divorce case?


2 posted on 05/09/2013 6:42:56 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Put your assets in a family trust and plead poverty.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 6:45:04 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bigheadfred

YES... it started out to be an amicable divorce but since the on Mother in Law has made it her life’s goal to bankrupt the x-son in law and wants him completely out of the picture, it’s turned into a nightmare.


4 posted on 05/09/2013 6:45:16 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Oh are you barking up my alley. My experience is HORRIBLE. The gravy train of “parenting coordinators” “custody evaluators”. It’s a disgrace.


5 posted on 05/09/2013 6:45:26 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Standard Orders out of Court state that if you don’t or can’t pay 1/2 for the gravy train of 300 dollar/visit plus retainer Court approved evaluators, you lose custody and/or parenting time.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 6:47:33 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Intersting thought. There is a small business involved so would have to investigate the options there. Might be a very good suggestion. He’s relatively young and many earning years ahead of him.

The original divorce went quickly, splitting the childs time (baby at the time) ramping up to 50/50 after a couple of years. But now, the meddling mother in law is pushing buttons and now has all these “professionals” involved under false alligations. Same old, same old.... If I had to bet I’d say she has possible “spoken” privately to some of the so called independant professionals on the side.


7 posted on 05/09/2013 6:50:49 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: machogirl

Ohhhhh YESSSSSSSS.... exactly the case here, however somehow it’s now nearly 75% one sided payment. How did you get out of the situation or are you still IN this nightmare system?


8 posted on 05/09/2013 6:53:11 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Almost out. Sent you a Freepmail. Family Court is abominable and the Judge I had was AWFUL. Doesn’t matter how little you can afford, nor whom triggers the “Parenting Coordinator” or “Custodyl Evals”. Parents can abuse the other by the Court process and demanding “Evals” for no reason. The attorneys are also GREAT at ratcheting up the number of hearings and fees.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 7:06:10 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Remarry the mother - put in 15-good years for the sake of the child.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 7:10:26 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

Now that’s a good one...... In some cases... it works, I’ll bet.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 7:12:08 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Family Courts.

*hoccc ptui1*

These are Divorce Courts. Pure and simple. They are designed to deball men, enrich the lawyers and churn out children with no hope - no future.

A better alternative? Kill your ex. You’ll get out in 10 years. Yeah, your relationship with the kids will be severed. But that’s a given no matter what. Being a convicted murderer or a screwed over divorced dad. Which is better?

Talk to millions of men who’ve been screwed by divorce courts and they’ll tell you. Don’t fight the system - you will only lose harder and faster.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 7:12:33 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

A friend of a friend quietly did that when divorce appeared to be in the cards, the house they were living in was the old family homeplace that had belonged to his family and he had a sole proprietorship incorporated under subchapter S, an “S Corp.” She had racked up a lot of debt already for which he was on the hook, so he was determined that those assets weren’t going to be frittered away too.

This was over a year before the fact and there were no children, though. Family court sends even amicable splits down the road to negativeland, it’s fundamentally hostile to fathers.


13 posted on 05/09/2013 7:18:32 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Responsibility2nd

Bad situation all around. Options, Options...


14 posted on 05/09/2013 7:19:43 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: RegulatorCountry

What you say is the gospel. Started out reasonable, now a nightmare.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 7:21:18 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor; donna

I decided to stay married until the oldest was 18, youngest was 16. He was an okay father and, since they were also his children, chose not to try to raise them by myself.

It’s not like it was a lifetime anyway. Both kids were gone while we were still in our early 40’s. Plenty of time to have our own separate lives after that.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 7:38:07 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Or, hire a private detective to get something on grandma!


17 posted on 05/09/2013 7:41:49 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Yeah, feminist organizations and bar associations did that decades ago with the blessing of most people active in politics in both political parties. More recently, we’ve been awaiting the economic collapse caused by them and their policies.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 7:42:32 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

This is the best law firm I can think of for this type of situations:
http://cordellcordell.com/


19 posted on 05/09/2013 7:56:53 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: familyop

Feminists made it awful for those of us that chose to stay-home full-time to raise our kids. My ex had the job, had the money, my Judge was a career woman whom apparently thought she had to have gonads and put me through the ringer. Family Court is a gravy train for everyone but the parties involved.


20 posted on 05/09/2013 8:05:55 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

The end is when the kids are 18, 21 in some states.


21 posted on 05/09/2013 8:10:24 PM PDT by tiki
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Is the MIL the one wanting custody or is she doing it for her daughter?

First thing dad needs to throw in there is “What is the change in circumstance?” And then he needs to try to have it thrown out and not let it go any farther.


22 posted on 05/09/2013 8:13:35 PM PDT by tiki
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To: RegulatorCountry

My son had already been through the divorce wringer when his friend faced it. Before any legal proceedings he had his friend sign over his pick-up to him and “sell” him anything that was worth anything and then when the divorce was over he gave it all back.


23 posted on 05/09/2013 8:21:55 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Grams A

Lucky kids. Good on you.


24 posted on 05/09/2013 8:29:02 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: tiki

I’d imagine a good opposing divorce attorney could convince a judge to look askance at such maneuvers, so it would be a very good idea to make certain that the transaction(s) could in no way appear irregular.


25 posted on 05/09/2013 8:54:16 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: tiki

The MIL is a Mormon and I am now convinced that all she wanted was a grandchild.

The MIL just wants my son to disappear so she doesn’t have to share the child with him OR his family (us). She is obsessed with this. It’s like a cult with them. She is an extremely controling parent and the daughter works for the “company” and is totally controlled by the mom.

The MIL flat out told my son, her aim is to bankrupt him and they want full custody.

Change of Circumstance is a good idea. THANK YOU. Why oh why doesn’t his lawyer come up with that same answer? There are endless psychologists involved, fees, hearings, with no decision. Now a court case in a month. Breaking the bank here.

How do you go about getting endless court orders removed?
Parenting Coordinators have acted unethically, such as demand cash in advance, no checks, spoken with other court ordered Coordinator without HIPPA consent signed, etc. You just can’t make this stuff up! It’s a financial and emotional nightmare.


26 posted on 05/09/2013 10:33:14 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: machogirl

Aaahhhh yes, the femenazi’s. I love it when a gentleman opens a door for me. They are just angry man-hating nags.

Gravy train that never quits.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 10:35:16 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: donna

Now that’s funny... and very interesting.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 11:04:53 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

I had some peripheral involvement with the AZ Family Court system; was decidedly unimpressed.

I’ve got no advice.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 3:31:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Yep, those women. It’s all about choice and money, as long as it’s their choice and your money.


30 posted on 05/10/2013 4:00:23 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

The Rules are written to specifically protect the gravy train. That was my experience. Even when they broke the Court’s own orders, nothing happened. They were not happy when I called the Police for a well check during “the visit”.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 4:05:00 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor
The system isn't broken. It's working exactly as intended. The system is designed to drain ever last dollar you have and still not necessarily 'resolve' anything. It's a legal system. Justice has nothing to do with it.
32 posted on 05/10/2013 5:02:22 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: zeugma

That would be correct. Legal and Justice two separate ideas. In the end, didn’t resolve much and tens of thousands wasted.


33 posted on 05/10/2013 8:57:52 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: machogirl
"Family Court is a gravy train for everyone but the parties involved."

That's a well said and important truth. Eventually, all parties involved should know it, but few do. Thank you.


34 posted on 05/10/2013 9:21:37 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Until I was forced into it, I had no idea how truly awful it is.


35 posted on 05/10/2013 9:22:25 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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