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Giant 50-foot magnet to make cross-country trek for physics experiment
UPI ^ | May 9, 2013 | staff reporter

Posted on 05/09/2013 8:57:56 PM PDT by Daffynition

BROOKHAVEN, N.Y., May 9 (UPI) -- U.S. physicists say they're planning a new experiment in particle physics -- but first there's the small matter of moving a 50-foot-diameter magnet 3,200 miles.

Along with colleagues from 26 institutions around the world, they are planning an experiment to study the properties of muons, tiny subatomic particles that exist for only 2.2 millionths of a second.

But first the core of the experimental equipment, a complex electromagnet 50 feet in diameter, needs to be moved from the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York to the department's Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Illinois.

The magnet, made of steel and aluminum with superconducting cable inside, is the core of an experimental machine built at Brookhaven in the 1990s that will be the centerpiece of the Fermi experiment.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2013/05/09/Giant-50-foot-magnet-to-make-cross-country-trek-for-physics-experiment/UPI-14361368127258/#ixzz2SrHvFlU9

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Outdoors; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: experiment; fermi; magnet; muon; muong2experiment; muons; particlephysics; physicists; stickysituation
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Honk If You Love Muons


1 posted on 05/09/2013 8:57:56 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

stuck on you


2 posted on 05/09/2013 8:59:28 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Daffynition

It will have quite a load of iron filings by the end of the trip. ;-)


3 posted on 05/09/2013 9:00:04 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: TigersEye
It will have quite a load of iron filings by the end of the trip.

Not unless it has a 3200 mile long extension cord.

4 posted on 05/09/2013 9:04:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2

Thank you, Mr. Literal. lol


5 posted on 05/09/2013 9:05:21 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Daffynition

All was going well as the convoy drove closer and closer to the lawn dart factory ...


6 posted on 05/09/2013 9:05:57 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (3 guns when you only have one arm? "I just don't want to get killed for lack of shooting back")
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To: Daffynition

Why wouldn’t they use a SKYCRANE to move it ?


7 posted on 05/09/2013 9:06:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: bigheadfred
I find it strangely attractive.

/johnny

8 posted on 05/09/2013 9:06:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: bigheadfred
You mean stuck in traffic? I can see the LIE what day. Epic jam.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 9:07:28 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: NonValueAdded
I just scared everlivinhell outta the catz when I read that.

I'm going to go change pants and regain my composure.

/johnny

10 posted on 05/09/2013 9:07:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TigersEye

You’re welcome.

Hey, won’t the cars driving by stick to it ?


11 posted on 05/09/2013 9:08:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: TigersEye

No one’s credit card will work! LOL


12 posted on 05/09/2013 9:08:51 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: UCANSEE2

Only Corvettes and Fieros will be allowed on the road.


13 posted on 05/09/2013 9:10:36 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: NonValueAdded

All was going well as the convoy drove closer and closer to the lawn dart factory ...

14 posted on 05/09/2013 9:12:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Daffynition

3200 miles NY to Chicago?

I don’t think so. Not unless they go via Houston or something


15 posted on 05/09/2013 9:12:45 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: UCANSEE2
I'm still laughing so hard the banjo across the room is resonating.

/johnny

16 posted on 05/09/2013 9:13:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Daffynition
Only Corvettes and Fieros will be allowed on the road.

I guess you're one of those 'silver lining' people.

17 posted on 05/09/2013 9:15:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Marcella

Ping


18 posted on 05/09/2013 9:15:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sequoyah101

“The Muon g-2 team has devised a plan to make the 3,200-mile journey that involves loading the ring onto a specially prepared truck that will transport it to a barge that will bring it down the East Coast, around the tip of Florida and up the Mississippi River to Illinois.”

Gotta read that whole darn thing.


19 posted on 05/09/2013 9:17:15 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Daffynition

well, it certainly is attractive


20 posted on 05/09/2013 9:17:52 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: UCANSEE2

I’d let UPS handle it...what Brown can do for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=leDyTgJaJfA


21 posted on 05/09/2013 9:18:58 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: Sequoyah101
3200 miles NY to Chicago?

Hey, with a load that wide, you can't just go anywhere you want.

22 posted on 05/09/2013 9:22:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Sequoyah101

Houston, Close, Florida to Mississippi then north. I would have thought north up the st. Lawrence seaway to Chicago.


23 posted on 05/09/2013 9:23:14 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Normal isn't normal anymore.)
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To: bigbob
Help is on the way...


24 posted on 05/09/2013 9:24:23 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: bigbob
well, it certainly is attractive

From this side.

25 posted on 05/09/2013 9:25:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: UCANSEE2
No...I'm one of those *what could possibly go wrong* people. WW3.......


26 posted on 05/09/2013 9:28:18 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: NonValueAdded

You really oughta’ start writing some sci-fi novels.


27 posted on 05/09/2013 9:30:07 PM PDT by Bullish (May the time soon come when Obamunism is only spoken of in hell.)
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To: UCANSEE2; bigbob
Especially at night.


28 posted on 05/09/2013 9:31:59 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: NonValueAdded

“All was going well as the convoy drove closer and closer to the lawn dart factory ...”

Thanks for that mental picture.


29 posted on 05/09/2013 9:33:23 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Daffynition
New York to Illinois is 3200 miles?

Twilight Zone?

30 posted on 05/09/2013 9:34:15 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Reminds me of some cab drivers....


31 posted on 05/09/2013 9:35:32 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: REDWOOD99
and up the Mississippi River to Illinois.”

Good thing for the St Louis mafia that it won't be powered up or all the submerged cars will stick to the bottom of the barge like so many giant barnacles with bodies inside.

32 posted on 05/09/2013 9:37:09 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Daffynition

These scientific types are such dummies. Why not build it in IL instead of NY? Hello?

How many thousands of our taxpayer dollars did that silly model cost, including the economic and environmental impact statements?


33 posted on 05/09/2013 9:37:35 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: UCANSEE2
Hey, with a load that wide, you can't just go anywhere you want.

So it's following Michelle Obama's route home?

34 posted on 05/09/2013 9:39:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: upchuck
READ MORE

"It costs about 10 times less to move the magnet from Brookhaven to Illinois than it would to build a new one," said Lee Roberts of Boston University, spokesman for the Muon g-2 experiment.

Even physicists can have problems with simple English.
I assume he meant one tenth as much to move... But I'm just guessing here.

35 posted on 05/09/2013 9:43:32 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: publius911

**The Muon g-2 team has devised a plan to make the 3,200-mile journey that involves loading the ring onto a specially prepared truck that will transport it to a barge that will bring it down the East Coast, around the tip of Florida and up the Mississippi River to Illinois.**


36 posted on 05/09/2013 9:43:33 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: upchuck

Something has to fill the void from NASA.


37 posted on 05/09/2013 9:46:56 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: upchuck
These scientific types are such dummies. Why not build it in IL instead of NY? Hello?

You read my mind.

These egghead physicists are supposedly the biggest brainiacs on the planet, yet they couldn't figure out that it would be a lot simpler to ship the darn thing in pieces, then put it together at the end of the line.

Sheeesh....

38 posted on 05/09/2013 9:47:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Daffynition

That thing must put out a lot of suck!


39 posted on 05/09/2013 9:49:37 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Daffynition

I wonder how much it cost to build the cute little model with the all the details, down to the guys burying the body on the side of the road?


40 posted on 05/09/2013 9:49:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Marcella; Bullish; UCANSEE2; JRandomFreeper

TYVM


41 posted on 05/09/2013 9:51:14 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (3 guns when you only have one arm? "I just don't want to get killed for lack of shooting back")
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To: Windflier; upchuck

Another site claims it : **Can’t be done. Magnets like this cannot be disassembled, for many many reasons. First and foremost, you cannot splice the conductor that makes up the coil, as it simply will not work after you do that. Even unwinding the cable that makes up the coils isn’t possible as it would damage the conductor. Superconductors are something else entirely in how you have to treat them, and how fragile they are.**


42 posted on 05/09/2013 9:51:24 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: piasa
down to the guys burying the body on the side of the road?

That's not me. I don't have a hard-hat.

Oh... wait..

/johnny

43 posted on 05/09/2013 9:54:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: loungitude

I’ve been trying to figure out why we should care about Muons.

http://muon-g-2.fnal.gov/

And if this is like borrowing your neighbor’s ladder...and he expects it returned when you are done with it.


44 posted on 05/09/2013 9:55:52 PM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: Daffynition

‘muons ... that exist for 2.2 millionths of a second”
That’s my attention span—hey look, a squirrel!


45 posted on 05/09/2013 9:59:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Daffynition
Another site claims it : **Can’t be done. Magnets like this cannot be disassembled, for many many reasons.

Who said anything about disassembly?

The morons (isn't that a subatomic particle?) could have shipped all of the basic components to a location within easy reach of the installation site, and assembled them there, making final shipment a MUCH easier, and less costly exercise.

Now where's my gubmint grant money??

46 posted on 05/09/2013 10:00:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Even if it is off, there will be residual magnetism; by my calculations, it will have collected enough iron filings and burrs as it passes through the industrial areas of Ohio that it will weigh over 1.7x10 8 tons by the time it hits the Indiana border. It will then sink into the Earth and disappear.


47 posted on 05/09/2013 10:02:32 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Check your tagline. You’ve got a runaway question mark in there.

Or is that a muon....


48 posted on 05/09/2013 10:04:04 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ThomasThomas

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Giant 50-foot magnet to make cross-country trek for physics experiment , ThomasThomas wrote:
Houston, Close, Florida to Mississippi then north. I would have thought north up the st. Lawrence seaway to Chicago.

When I read this I immediately thought of the seaway which would work. Fermi labs is located in the northern suburbs and that while specialized could be off loaded perhaps at Milwaukee and transported from that point. Rather than being trucked cross country from New York.


49 posted on 05/09/2013 10:04:18 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Daffynition

Ouch, that’s gonna hurt, particularly if they’re facing the wrong way.


50 posted on 05/09/2013 10:18:37 PM PDT by JimSEA
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