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Tiger Woods wins Players Championship, 78th win in his career
Fox News ^ | May 12, 2013 | fox news

Posted on 05/12/2013 9:17:34 PM PDT by dr_lew

Tiger Woods had the last word against Sergio Garcia by winning The Players Championship on Sunday.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: cheater; drugs; gotiger; greatestever; hgh; maleprostitute; steroids; thebest; tiger; tigernumberone
It was an eventful final round of the Players' Championship, as Tiger double bogeyed the 14th to come back to the field, but held on as Sergio quadruple bogeyed the 17th, and rookie David Lingmerth needed to sink a long birdie putt on 18 to tie, but missed the come backer to fall out of second alone, at a cost of several hundred thousand big ones.

He still did good ... COMPARED TO SERGIO !

Well, Sergio was very gentlemanly about the whole thing, and nothing against him, but GO TIGER!

1 posted on 05/12/2013 9:17:34 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

You didn’t have a problem with his drop on #14?


2 posted on 05/12/2013 9:22:27 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

So when are all the Tiger beaters going to chime in on Vijay?


3 posted on 05/12/2013 9:25:52 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: FlJoePa

The PGA TOUR Rules Committee issued the following interpretation on the drop:

“Without definitive evidence, the point where Woods’ ball last crossed the lateral water hazard is determined through best judgement by Woods and his fellow competitor. If that point later proves to be a wrong point (through television or other means), the player is not penalized by Rule 26-1 given the fact that a competitor would risk incurring a penalty every time he makes an honest judgment as to the point where his ball last crosses a water-hazard margin and that judgment subsequently proves incorrect (Decision 26-1/17).”


4 posted on 05/12/2013 9:30:07 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Mastador1
No one likes or cares about Vijay. Tiger did take another very questionable drop today though.

Questionable enough that the tour had to issue a statement on it. I saw it live and switched channels so it isn't on my DVR, but the original overhead view showed where his ball crossed and lets just say he took some liberties.

5 posted on 05/12/2013 9:33:18 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Baynative

Did you see it though Baynative? I’ve played enough competitive amateur and professional golf to know a bad drop when I see one. This one qualified.

It’s a part of playing in FL. There’s water on every hole. But he needs to do better.


6 posted on 05/12/2013 9:36:51 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa
I saw it. The only angle not shown was from behind the tee box which is where the people responsible for making the judgment were standing. In learning to be a rules official, one of the first things I was taught is to refer to the players before attempting to make any determination on rulings. We are never called in on the easy ones and often during discussion we learn that not everyone saw exactly what happened from exactly the same angle.

Tiger is probably the most watched (and sometimes the most disliked) player on tour and I think he is probably fully aware of the controversy taking leniency with his own judgement would cause. Most often, official rulings are made when players cannot agree and summon assistance.

7 posted on 05/12/2013 9:52:26 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Baynative

I’ll just ask you this - and I respect your work as a rules official - would Sergio have allowed Tiger to take that drop had they been paired together?


8 posted on 05/12/2013 9:57:49 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: dr_lew
GO TIGER - for what???? Who cares if Tiger wins? I was long sick of Tiger before it was revealed he had sex with over 100 women while married.

He is narcissistic and cheap. It has long been known he rarely tips slobs like limo drivers from airports.

He was disgusting long before he ran over the fire hydrant. GO TIGER! What a low brow society we live in today.

9 posted on 05/12/2013 10:02:08 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: dr_lew

Tiger Woods is to Jack Nicklaus as Barry Bonds is to Hank Aaron.

IOW, it matters not if a juicing reprobate breaks an honorable sportsman’s record, the greatest remains the greatest.


10 posted on 05/12/2013 10:05:48 PM PDT by twister881
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To: FlJoePa
You didn’t have a problem with his drop on #14?

Well, one of the on air announcers, who was at or near the tee, said that he saw nothing to question it. Johnny Miller was skeptical but could only say positively that "it was close". From what I could see for myself, I couldn't determine anything at all. So, no, I have no problem.

11 posted on 05/12/2013 10:13:56 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: FlJoePa
I doubt it. Certainly, there is the Tiger factor in effect that causes disagreements on decisions where he is involved that may not come up with other players. If Sergio and Tiger were involved and Sergio had played the shot, I doubt Tiger would have been as agreeable to the drop either.

On the call: you've probably seen it a few times yourself. When a shot is a long high hook rather than a dead pull the call over where it actually crossed the hazard line opens a lot of debate. The amateur tournaments I've worked usually only have a handful of officials on the whole course. The PGA Tour is well funded and I am a bit at odds that they don't have either qualified rules officials, apprentices or knowledgeable fore caddies and spotters in awkward places in a tournament of this caliber.

To your question of Tiger and Sergio. When I began learning the game and I had questions about rulings on my ball such as taking relief or determining playable situations, my mentor used to ask first, "What would you tell me if that was my ball?"

12 posted on 05/12/2013 10:15:14 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: dr_lew

Tiger’s playing partner and his playing partner’s caddie told him where to drop. Case closed.


13 posted on 05/12/2013 10:18:29 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Dave W
GO TIGER - for what???? Who cares if Tiger wins? I was long sick of Tiger before it was revealed he had sex with over 100 women while married.

He is narcissistic and cheap. It has long been known he rarely tips slobs like limo drivers from airports.

He was disgusting long before he ran over the fire hydrant. GO TIGER! What a low brow society we live in today.

This bears repeating!

I am sick of watching golf when the announcers gush 95% of the time about Tiger, especially when he's at the top of the leader board. It's sickening! I don't give a rat's ass about narcisstic spoiled baby, Tiger. He's black (well sort of, but it's enough for the fawning liberal media), he's liberal, he's pro-0dumb0, and he's got himself another white blonde celebrity bimbo, Lindsey Vonn. Good luck with that, Lindsey!

I wish Tiger would have lost....that way the announcers are forced to grudgingly cover the winnner, while jumping back multiple times to cover Tiger, desperately shilling for Tiger to leap to the front of whatever tourney is being played.

14 posted on 05/12/2013 10:25:34 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup

I have long been sick of the attention Tiger gets to the exclusion of everyone else.


15 posted on 05/12/2013 10:33:31 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Baynative
Leave it to John Ziegler - champion of those who hate the media (and also a decent player):

He breaks it all down for us

16 posted on 05/12/2013 10:35:35 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Baynative
To your question of Tiger and Sergio. When I began learning the game and I had questions about rulings on my ball such as taking relief or determining playable situations, my mentor used to ask first, "What would you tell me if that was my ball?"

I always say, "Drop it anywhere you want to." And often I'll add something like, "Why don't you drop it over here, so you'll have a shot" ... because to my duffer way of thinking, it's ridiculous to take a drop behind a tree.

17 posted on 05/12/2013 10:41:38 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: rcrngroup; Dave W

That’s exactly how hubby and I feel about Tiger Woods. The fawning commentary has made us hate him.

Sergio Garcia really messed up today, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a crash and burn like that before.


18 posted on 05/12/2013 10:43:40 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: rcrngroup

“I am sick of watching golf when the announcers gush 95% of the time about Tiger, especially when he’s at the top of the leader board. It’s sickening!”

It is NOT sickening. It simply is what it is. Tiger is one of the great closers in any sport. When he gets the lead, he rarely gives it up. And the gushing over Tiger is less than the gushing over Mariano Rivera (closer for the Yankees) in his prime. When Rivera came in the game with a lead, the game was over.


19 posted on 05/12/2013 10:55:17 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: twister881

I have a very extensive old ‘SPORT MAGAZINE’, (circa 1946 thru about 1972, when it went to hell and I quit collecting. I have many any SI’s from intro thru about 1995 also), collection and just last night I finished re-reading an account of Jack’s very first pro tournament. Then another SPORT story from 1966 where the know it alls were picking at him for to many biz. things going on and how he was gonna fall on his butt! Jack will always be number one!! I have more than a few old issues featuring Hogan, Snead, Nelson, Venturi, Bolt, Casper, Player and Arnie and those are fun to re-read also. What a time. It will never be like that again. It seems like it all happened only yesterday...


20 posted on 05/12/2013 11:25:09 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: staytrue

I don’t see it as “gushing”. They do have elevated expectations, but that’s no favor! If he doesn’t win, he’s a flop! What about Rory? He was supposed to eclipse Tiger. He played today, you know.


21 posted on 05/12/2013 11:33:57 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

His playing partner and his playing partner’s caddy pointed out where to drop. If it wasn’t Tiger, the discussion wouldn’t be happening.


22 posted on 05/13/2013 3:09:55 AM PDT by CTGOPPER (Conservative in Connecticut. Really.)
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To: Dave W
What a low brow society we live in today.

Idol worship. If it weren't for Tiger, the Yankees, the Red Sox, and that sodomite fellow; ESPN would have nothing to discuss.

23 posted on 05/13/2013 3:16:19 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: dr_lew

You forgot a keyword or two...


24 posted on 05/13/2013 3:37:55 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: jocon307
...I don’t think I’ve ever seen a crash and burn like that before.

Greg Norman at the 1996 Masters comes to mind...

25 posted on 05/13/2013 3:40:31 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

I’ll ask hubby if he remembers that.


26 posted on 05/13/2013 3:51:56 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Mastador1

Well thanks for the invitation. His wife didn’t hit him hard enough.


27 posted on 05/13/2013 3:57:42 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: dr_lew

Woods is a damn good golfer.


28 posted on 05/13/2013 4:06:14 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Tainan

There are many damn good golfers. (some who actually didn’t use sports enhancing drugs.....fancy that)

But what does it matter anyway. He is kinda black just like that anti-American piece of garbage in the White House. So all is forgiven.

When are Americans going to get tired of the media shoving crap down our throats. If they would just report the news instead of giving us the hard sell, I could stomach it. But I’ll be damned if I will swallow the BS they are dishing out.


29 posted on 05/13/2013 4:17:15 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: CTGOPPER
If it wasn’t Tiger, the discussion wouldn’t be happening.

I agree.....we didn't see the same level of scrutiny on Garcia and he certainly spent alot of drop time around the water.......LOL

30 posted on 05/13/2013 4:31:34 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: Dave W

I’m also very tired of all the gushing and attention that Tiger gets, and am not a fan, but I have come to realize it’s not exclusively his fault. Sports media is just as bad as any other media, they build up idols (and sometimes then knock them down, only to build them back up). There was/is the same amount of gushing over plenty of other athletes (I was a huge hockey fan at one time, but the Wayne Gretzky worship was a huge turn-off, to the point where I stopped watching the games)
As for the drop, the overhead shot on TV showed it probably should have been dropped in a different area, but players (not even the “amazing” Tiger) aren’t able to levitate above the course to see the shot as it’s heading out. If his playing partner, caddies & possibly the on-spot officials agreed to the drop, that works for me.


31 posted on 05/13/2013 6:17:13 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: FlJoePa; jessduntno; onedoug; cincinnati65; PISANO; IonImplantGuru; Rummyfan; Aussie Dasher; ...


Zeigler make a good case based on TV review, but he wasn't there. As I said the hardest decisions are the ones that have so many subjective recalls of the shot and that's why the official's first responsibility is to get the story from the players involved.

Below the Zeigler video is the following comment from a man who was standing on the tee box>
johndim11 2 hours ago
I was on the 14th when Tiger hit this tee shot. I was standing almost directly behind him about 3 people deep. The shot he hit was a very bad hook. I saw the video footage and the camera angles are horrible. The shot started out going towards the right side of the fairway and hooked sharply and landed about 7-10 left of the water line. The drop Tiger took was about 25 yards behind where the ball entered the water. I'm not a Tiger fan, so I am not making excuses for him, the drop was legal.

I wasn't there, so I can only comment on what I think" I see.
1. Aerial camera angles distort ball flight images, A LOT.
2. I like Mark Rolfing, but commentators quite often talk to fill the air and don't always have the best vision of what is happening. Many times you hear them say the ball is pushed, or going right or left, than it lands in the middle.

Other aerial camera shots showed shots that were ripped straight down the middle that looked like they were over the water immediately. In the end, the decision stands and Tiger is always going to cause controversy because of who he is. That's just a fact of life.

32 posted on 05/13/2013 8:01:04 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: T-Bird45

van de velde.
nuff said.


33 posted on 05/13/2013 8:12:47 AM PDT by getitright (If you call this HOPE, can we give despair a shot?)
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To: FlJoePa

Well that’ interesting, so if no one cares about you it does not matter if you break the rules. Thanks I thought that was for democrats.


34 posted on 05/13/2013 8:14:01 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: dr_lew

Tiger is a great golfer, but he is a pathetic excuse for a man. Woods lack of character makes it easy to believe he cheats on occasion. I think Sergio said what a majority of players think about Tiger, but are too gentlemanly to say.


35 posted on 05/13/2013 8:23:16 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: Baynative

The rules clearly state that if you are in doubt, ask your playing partner/opponent, and drop where he tells you to drop. That is what Tiger did. Even if Casey Wittenberg was wrong, by deferring to him Tiger covered himself.


36 posted on 05/13/2013 8:43:41 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: getitright

Can’t disagree but I would say Greg Norman was a brighter light in the golf world at that time so his collapse was more memorable, IMO. YMMV.....


37 posted on 05/13/2013 12:08:24 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Baynative

One problem I have with Zeigler’s explanation is he did not indicate where the hazard “starts” using the camera angles. The rule says “crosses the hazard” not “begins to fly over the area that eventually becomes a lateral hazard”.

Being a lateral hazard and visibly marked, where, in relation to he flight of the ball, does the hazard start? That can reasonably be deemed the “crossing point”.


38 posted on 05/13/2013 12:25:31 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: FlJoePa

No I did not and I was not there. I only watched from my TV set like 99.999999% of the people who watched the game. The people who were there and the ones that matter said it was a good drop.


39 posted on 05/13/2013 3:06:01 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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