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Off-duty officer assaulted by group of men on South Side, police say
WPXI ^ | May 14, 2013

Posted on 05/15/2013 4:03:39 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

PITTSBURGH — An Ohio Township police officer returned to work just days after he was assaulted by a group of men while he was off-duty on the city’s South Side.

According to police, the officer told police he was walking on 19th Street between Jane and Sarah streets when he noticed a group of at least five people walking toward him.

As the off-duty officer, 26, approached the group, he said he moved out of the way and was going to let them pass by.

The victim told detectives that a black male, about 6 feet 3 inches tall wearing a gray sweatshirt then punched him in the face three times.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: assault; blackcrime; corruption; knockoutgame; nwa

1 posted on 05/15/2013 4:03:39 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“I think it’s part of a game that these little thugs play”

6’3” is not a little thug Chief.

If I were this police officer, I would devote the rest of my career to coming across this thug. One day I would spot him.

This incident tells us all that having a weapon is not a bad idea, concealed carry is made necessary by incidents like this. Ask Zimmermen. He would be dead now if not for his weapon.


2 posted on 05/15/2013 4:13:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Blacks try to pick fights with white men all the time.


3 posted on 05/15/2013 4:16:03 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

By not shooting these thugs the officer has simply insured that somewhere down the line there will be another victim. Probably unarmed and femnale.

But don’t misunderstand me. I realize that if he had shot he would very likely be in a world of trouble right now. It’s the rules that are screwed up.


4 posted on 05/15/2013 4:17:15 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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5 posted on 05/15/2013 4:21:26 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (The Old White Flag Republicans can go straight to He// and take their pal Obama with them!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Here’s an article from 2011 American Thinker that explains “The Knockout Game”. It’s real, and It’s got to be stopped:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/the_knockout_game_racial_violence_and_the_conspicuous_silence_of_the_media.html


6 posted on 05/15/2013 5:01:05 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Proud contributer to the Free Republic Q-2 Freepathon.)
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To: popdonnelly
Groups of Blacks try to pick fights with white men and their female companions all the time.

Just tweaked it to be more correct.

7 posted on 05/15/2013 5:05:19 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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8 posted on 05/15/2013 5:13:40 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Drew his gun, and they ran off? If five guys assaulted me and I was carrying a gun, the gun would be fired. And not over their heads.


9 posted on 05/15/2013 5:26:29 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

Shooting someone who is no longer posing a threat to you is not self-defense.


10 posted on 05/15/2013 5:29:43 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

This man, being an officer, had arrest authority, and should have used it.


11 posted on 05/15/2013 5:32:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rockinqsranch

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12 posted on 05/15/2013 5:33:35 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: SoothingDave

They only ran off after he drew the gun. That means before he pulled out his gun, they were still beating him. Letting them run off was a dereliction of duty. If some people break into your house, assault your wife and children, but start running when they see you entering the room with your pump shotgun, would you just let them run off?


13 posted on 05/15/2013 5:33:48 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: MrB

He was out of his jurisdiction.


14 posted on 05/15/2013 5:42:25 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: driftless2

Would you shoot someone in the back who is running away?

That’s the hallmark of a coward, isn’t it?


15 posted on 05/15/2013 5:43:19 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

...and the next victim that they hit hard enough to kill or put into a coma... it is called prevention. You shoot one close enough you can argue that you thought they were re-grouping for another go. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.


16 posted on 05/15/2013 5:46:36 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

As a former LEO I carried everywhere I went duty or not, just like now.


17 posted on 05/15/2013 5:47:07 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Situational awareness, people. If you see an unsavory group of five people approaching, stay clear of them. Give yourself some room to appropriately respond if required. Walking toward said group is not a good idea. Even if your pride tells you to walk by them, think again and don’t go anywhere near them. I would walk a large arc around them, keeping them in view at all times.

Sad that one must take such precautions, but it is better for your health.


18 posted on 05/15/2013 5:52:55 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

PC tells us we’re “racist” if we practice what you say.
I’d do it anyway,

but there are some without a firm grounding in reality that would tell themselves to go against their instincts because they’ve been told those instincts are grounded in racism.


19 posted on 05/15/2013 5:55:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I agree that he could have shot them to stop the attack. But once the attack ended it is not a legal use of a firearm to shoot people as they are running away.

Even if they are black.

Am I the only one here who give a crap about the rules?


20 posted on 05/15/2013 5:55:24 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

So the Boston bombers were running should they have not been shot at? Whose to say they were dangerous anymore?


21 posted on 05/15/2013 5:58:39 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: MrB

Plenty of unsavory groups of “yutes” of all colors and ethnicity.

Better to be politically incorrect than a victim trying to not be labeled unfairly.


22 posted on 05/15/2013 5:59:19 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

I’d say, if the groups in question don’t like to be avoided by people who are afraid of them,

they need to clean their own house.


23 posted on 05/15/2013 6:03:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Resolute Conservative

There are different levels of force approved to apprehend different suspects. Should we shoot shoplifters running out of a store?

Proportional response.


24 posted on 05/15/2013 6:06:01 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: MrB

Many would say they don’t like it, but their actions speak otherwise.

We have all heard of DWB (Driving While Black). Now we are starting learn about WWW (Walking While White). Truth be told, I learned about this the hard way a long ago, but others will be in denial until it actually happens to them.

Thank God, I live in a free state where the odds are greatly improved because I am allowed to protect myself.


25 posted on 05/15/2013 6:11:21 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

Others reap the benefit of people being allowed to defend themselves,

because the thugs don’t know who could pop their cork.


26 posted on 05/15/2013 6:15:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoothingDave

And who judges proportional, you, me, some bureaucrat? Until you are on the receiving end of a beat down by 3-4 people I would say it is subjective at best.


27 posted on 05/15/2013 6:20:49 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

Black ferals of any age are unpredictable. This type of assault happens so frequently that it amazes me that no one has decided to pop these cretins.


28 posted on 05/15/2013 6:35:31 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Black ferals of any age are unpredictable. This type of assault happens so frequently that it amazes me that no one has decided to pop these cretins.


29 posted on 05/15/2013 6:36:45 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Silly me, i believe in the rule of law. The limits of legal self defense are defined in law. They dont include shooting people who are fleeing from a minor crime.


30 posted on 05/15/2013 6:43:54 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

My point being is at what point are you sure they are fleeing, 5 feet, 10 feet, there is a distance but what is it coupled with behavior - head down running or circling around you still in a group. Typically if fleeing roaches scatter not stick together.

Basically a moot argument until you are there, ala shades of Zimmerman.


31 posted on 05/15/2013 6:57:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SoothingDave
Am I the only one here who give a crap about the rules?

No, you're not. And it isn't a matter of "rules," it is a matter of law. You shoot someone running away from you and the law will crucify you, charging you with murder. The law protects you only in the instance of self-defense. You know that but I'm wondering about the others.

32 posted on 05/15/2013 6:59:53 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Resolute Conservative

If you pull your gun out and the assailants run away, you can’t shoot them. Legally.

The poster I originally responded to said that we would have shot them.

Of course, if conditions are different then you can act differently. But any self-defense claim must be based on a reasonable suspicion of a grave threat to your life.

Shooting people in the back who are running away doesn’t pass this test.


33 posted on 05/15/2013 7:07:29 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

There they go again, using the term “men” to describe these low-life scum. At best, they are males—NOT MEN!


34 posted on 05/15/2013 7:45:05 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SoothingDave

Hah, you were making SOME sense earlier, but not anymore.


35 posted on 05/15/2013 7:48:22 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SoothingDave

Do not discount the mindset of the victim during this crime.


36 posted on 05/15/2013 7:51:36 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“The victim told detectives that a black male ... then punched him in the face three times.”

Wow, what a shocker.


37 posted on 05/15/2013 8:39:44 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: rockinqsranch

The knock out game is one reason we CC everywhere we go.


38 posted on 05/15/2013 8:48:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SoothingDave

So you see some people who are assaulting your wife or your child. They see you coming, they stop assaulting your wife, and begin to run. So you just let them run away?


39 posted on 05/15/2013 9:10:10 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: SoothingDave

Yeah Dave, but some folks just need shootin’.


40 posted on 05/15/2013 9:12:42 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: driftless2

Objectively, yes. That is the law.

I didnt realize we had so many vigilantes here.

If you would like to change the law so any citizen is free to use lethal force on any fleeing crime suspect, then go for it.


41 posted on 05/15/2013 10:17:20 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
If you pull your gun out and the assailants run away, you can’t shoot them. Legally.

The poster I originally responded to said that we would have shot them.

Of course, if conditions are different then you can act differently. But any self-defense claim must be based on a reasonable suspicion of a grave threat to your life.

Shooting people in the back who are running away doesn’t pass this test.

Thank goodness such "logic" doesn't pass the smell test here in Texas. If you are trying to prevent folks from fleeing the scene of a felony, you can damn sure shoot 'em. You can chase 'em down the street and shoot 'em.

To me, that's an entirely proportional response.

42 posted on 05/15/2013 10:44:44 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt

Moral of the story: don’t mess with Texas - or Texans.


43 posted on 05/15/2013 10:45:48 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: jimt

Is assaulting someone on the street a felony?


44 posted on 05/15/2013 11:08:29 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

You come upon a bunch of thugs assaulting your wife. You have a gun in your hand. Your wife lies bleeding on the ground. The thugs see your armed and start running away. What do you do?


45 posted on 05/15/2013 1:55:25 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: SoothingDave

Dave, if someone smacked me in the head three times, I imagine that all I would be seeing would be dark grey shapes. I would shoot until there was no more dark grey shapes in my line of sight. Now keep in mind that I’m on an air supply and over 65 so don’t expect the reactions of a youngster.


46 posted on 05/15/2013 2:16:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: SoothingDave
“Is assaulting someone on the street a felony?”

Yes it can be. This jurisdiction is in PA and in PA
http://introublewiththelaw.com/simple-assault-vs-aggravated-assault/
“Aggravated assault is defined as when someone attempts to cause or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causes serious bodily injury; attempts to cause or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causes injury to a to a police officer, probation officer or other court related official or attempts to cause or intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causes serious bodily injury with a deadly weapon. In Pennsylvania aggravated assault can either be a second degree felony punishable up to 10 years in prison or a first degree felony punishable up to 20 years in prison”

Coupled with the disparity in numbers of the assailants on the victim, the demonstrated ability and willingness of the attackers to do harm and the victims occupation as a police officer this should be an straight forward case for the DA.

47 posted on 05/15/2013 2:30:49 PM PDT by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: SoothingDave

Would you shoot someone in the back who is running away?


If they needed shooting, damn straight.


48 posted on 05/15/2013 8:31:49 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS "Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike."-Heinlein)
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