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Have Scientists Discovered a Way of Peering Into the Future?
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Posted on 05/15/2013 2:30:31 PM PDT by djf

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To: sten

Read up on chaos theory and probability theory. Not light reading, but extremely interesting. Michu Kaiku’s ‘Hyperdimensions’ is also a fantastic read.


41 posted on 05/15/2013 3:40:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: IWONDR

I have no way to answer that because I can’t prove or disprove Nirvana. If Nirvana already existed, what was the point of creating man to go to Nirvana. Why not just side step the whole process and create the essence of man instead of the whole man? And then just go ahead and send the essence of man to Nirvana.


42 posted on 05/15/2013 3:42:26 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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The machine apparently sensed the September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center four hours before they happened, and appeared to forewarn of the Asian Tsunami.
I predict that this will be shown to be fraudelent.


43 posted on 05/15/2013 3:45:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: djf

It's run by this guy!

44 posted on 05/15/2013 3:48:10 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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To: djf

It could mean something like that, sure. It could also mean that it’s just our perception of time that is “fuzzy”. Think about a motion picture. It’s not a fluid moving image, but really just a series of static images displayed in sequence. Our brain takes that input and creates a fluid perception.

So, maybe time is quantized, and our brain just creates a fluid perception for us, which would necessarily be an imperfect approximation, since our brain would have to interpolate some things.

I’ve got a little theory about time myself, and in my theory, our perception of time is not actually limited to a single “instant” at a time, like it appears to us. I think we really perceive a very thin “slice” of time, including not just the present moment, but perhaps a tiny bit of the past, and a tiny bit of the future. Then, our brain probably filters out the “bookends” as irrelevant data. I derived this idea purely from common sense observations about relativity and time dilation.


45 posted on 05/15/2013 3:51:38 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SunkenCiv

There have been a number of RNG experiments over the decades. The problem is that the ‘peer reviewers’ are the same people that ‘peer review” global warming studies. There is a large component of politics around this... Because of what actual ‘proof’ would mean for society as a whole.

Knowing who to trust with this stuff is the biggest problem.


46 posted on 05/15/2013 3:51:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Enterprise

If the side stepping of the process of the “whole man” experience, for the expediency of the “essence of man” experience of Nirvana existed, Nirvana, would not have any relative meaning.

For all we know, this current Human condition could be that Nirvana.


47 posted on 05/15/2013 3:56:04 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: djf

I was just discussing this with somebody next week.


48 posted on 05/15/2013 3:56:33 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: djf

This is not science. This is what you find on the ground after a male bovine finishes his meal.

NO, you do not expect it to be a flatline. The only thing we can say is that if you have a perfectly random generator producing numbers for an infinite time, there will tend to be an equal number of occurrences of each possibility.

A computer is a deterministic machine. No computer can ever produce a truly random sequence. Throwing balls or flipping coins is not perfectly random either.

The passage of electrons from one energy state to another is the nearest we can come to truly random.

No mind of God. No predicting the future. No sophisticated technology (most programming languages have pseudo-random generators)

An infinite time is that which you never reach.


49 posted on 05/15/2013 3:59:08 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: djf

There is so much wrong with that article that I have to stop reading it.


50 posted on 05/15/2013 4:02:49 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Enterprise

“If Nirvana already existed, what was the point of creating man to go to Nirvana. Why not just side step the whole process and create the essence of man instead of the whole man? And then just go ahead and send the essence of man to Nirvana.”

Man was not created to go to Nirvana. Nirvana or Heaven is a place where “the essence of man” or his spirit goes after his mortal existence is over. Man’s spirit inhabits his body as a baby, and upon one’s death, it moves on to a more perfect place that some call Heaven and others may call Nirvana. our existence on this earth as a mortal is a period of growth and learning for our spirit as we continue on our continuum of immortality.


51 posted on 05/15/2013 4:05:28 PM PDT by IWONDR
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To: djf

That was interesting. I wish they had told more about time moving backwards. It sounds more like a sixth sense then predicting the future.

Maybe a sense we lost when Eve went a dining


52 posted on 05/15/2013 4:05:47 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Boogieman

With all due respect, there is no data which can support the idea of man controlled “probabilities”. If such things do not exist, there can be no data supporting them.

If a man said, “I think it is highly probable that the sun will rise tomorrow.” and the sun actually rose, to ascribe this event to man’s consciousness actually affecting, or worse “effecting”, this outcome would be errant science. Irrespective of the number of times such observations might be made, the outcomes were not dependent upon man. The Scripture ascribes all future events to God’s determination.


53 posted on 05/15/2013 4:06:35 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Enterprise

“time exists all at once, it isn’t linear. “

That is true for God, and for God only. God exists outside of the chain of causality. Because of that, God is immutable. Everything and everyone else is subject to change. Assigning numbers to the sequence of events is commonly called time.

St Thomas of Aquinas could say it better.


54 posted on 05/15/2013 4:07:44 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: IWONDR

I’m just asking why bother putting the spirit of a man into a baby. Why not just put the spirit of a man to Nirvana and eliminate the middle man - or baby.


55 posted on 05/15/2013 4:15:00 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Zeneta
"For all we know, this current Human condition could be that Nirvana."

If that's true, who did I piss off?

56 posted on 05/15/2013 4:18:32 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: djf

Seems to me this may implicate Bell’s Theorem (not theory) of non-locality.
What say you?


57 posted on 05/15/2013 4:18:33 PM PDT by BIV (typical white person)
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To: Enterprise

well, you haven’t pissed me off yet, so you can start there.


58 posted on 05/15/2013 4:25:04 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: BIV

You are one of the very few people I have ever heard even discuss that issue.

I have studied Bell’s ideas a fair amount - much of the math is very daunting, on the level of say, Diracs writings.

But the non-locality inequality is really very simple. An educated 8th grader could understand it.

Historically, his theorem has been interpreted to be and idea that is about space, but not really about time.

Problem is, if there is non-locality in space, there is also non-locality in the time dimension(s)!

Non locality in the time dimension basically means you could wake up in the morning, open the door to get your newspaper, (assuming you still get one delivered!) and finding a perfectly healthy pterosaur on your porch.

It is, of course, extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely.

But it would not violate the laws of physics as they are understood today.


59 posted on 05/15/2013 4:35:14 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: Dutchboy88
"Sorry, only God and the prophets to whom He reveals his future are privy to what is about to happen. While the future certainly has a fixed outcome, there is no mechanism available to man to view it."

Believe what you like, but you are wrong. I am neither God nor his prophet, yet I have at times foreseen the future. I have had dreams of very specific events a few days before they occurred, and told others of it before the event. I can almost always sense when I am going to have an unpleasant surprise within a day or so, although I cannot always say of what type. Sometimes I will sense strongly that a person who I haven't spoken to in years will call me, and without any logical reason to suspect it, they do that same day. The reverse never happens.

It's like the article describes it, I feel somehow that I am tapping into a larger consciousness. It's nothing weird, it's just a strong sense that I've learned to listen to. Unfortunately, I cannot predict Powerball numbers or anything like that, but I have time and again used my odd ability to make money in my profession.

60 posted on 05/15/2013 4:37:38 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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