Skip to comments.Look Past The Dragons In Game of Thrones
Posted on 05/19/2013 12:57:25 PM PDT by OddLane
Were only halfway through the season, and its only May, but its already hard for me to imagine any show topping Game of Thrones on my 2013 year-end best-of list. There are more innovative and original series, but none that satisfies on so many levels, or that juggles so much plot and so many characters with the appearance of ease.
Since HBOs blockbuster adaptation of George R.R. Martins fiction debuted in 2011, many have lodged complaints about the shows racial stereotypes and simplistic sexual dynamicsand rightly so; Thrones was a problematic series and still is, despite course corrections that suggest showrunners David Benioff and D. B. Weiss heard their critics. Beyond that, however, the show doesnt get enough credit. Nearly a decade after Peter Jackson won Oscars for a film series about wizards and hobbits, fantasy is still seen as disreputable nerd bait rather than a legitimate mainstream genre.
That should change this year, and if it doesnt, fans can cry foul.
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Game of Thrones = “The War of the Roses” + “Hyborian Age by Robert E Howard”
Lannister = House of Lancaster
Stark = House of York
For a show about a mythical land where dragons and magic exist, not to mention naked womenzes left and right, this show can be incredibly boring.
That is the sort of thing you have to say to work at Vulture.com.
The actual sex and nudity has fallen off since the first few episodes in season one. The problem with the show is it uses violence, sex (including homosexual), and nudity as shock value rather than adding anything to the plot. I am not opposed to it as long as it make sense to the development of the story.
I had never seen the show until this week, when I bought Season 1 after hearing several people praising the show. After three or four episodes, I’m having the same problem I had with “24” - I get so angry at the evil characters, and the delayed sense of justice, that I can hardly watch it, despite all the naked women prancing around.
Have you seen any of the episodes?
It’s not about a mythical land where dragons and magic exist. It’s about the exercise of power. That power happens to be exercised in a mythical land where a few dragons and small amount of magic exist, but that’s set dressing.
The House of Lancaster lead to the Beaumonts (the bastard children of John of Gaunt and Katherine (de Roet) Swynford) which every English monarch since Henry VII is related to.
Well it won’t get any better, and don’t get too attached to any character.
Tha’ts 1399 to present.
proud to say never spent a second on anything to do with game of thrones.
Except this thread.
I read the first book, interesting but too fantastic. Mercifully we don’t get TV so I haven’t had to witness the ultimate “it fails in comparison to the book” syndrome.
It's fantasy and it's on cable, so they can pretty much get away with anything. Heck, if they can go after the all powerful dwarf-American lobby, nobody is safe.
Smarty-pants culture journalists create controversies about racism and sexism in fantasy worlds to attract an audience. I really doubt anybody is that serious about such complaints, especially since those "stereotypes" don't all run in one direction. But I could be wrong: Seitz and his colleagues could be that silly.
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So far this season of Game of Thrones has been fantastic.
They are following the books very closely, with only a few differences.
I do wish Strong Belwas was included, but overall I suppose he is a minor character.
They have also really focused on the torment of Theon, whereas in the books the reader only knew of it after it happened, and not until quite a bit later.
Only thing that really bugs me is the continued insistence on showing gay sex. I figured it was done since Renly is dead, but I should have known that as long as Ser Loras remains, so does the potential for more...crap.
But I guess these are the times I live in, so I do not dwell on that unfortunate part of an otherwise excellent adaptation of truly brilliant books.
One of the things I wish Martin did more with the books is go into the strategic thinking behind the actual battles, rather than simply focusing on the atrocities and economic/military consequences of their outcomes.
You are correct...I had another episode of mentalpause.
I am assuming that a strongman will emerge from Dany Tagaryen’s Praetorian guard.
I just received my Folio Society’s copy of “The War of the Roses” by Desmond Seward.
I read that recently.
I really enjoy the show, but I have to agree with your analysis. I get the impression that George R. R. Martin doesn't much care for his characters either. Apparently when asked about how it would end he said that the end would be a cloud of dust or snow being driven by the wind across a vast graveyard full of tombstones.
Not exactly a "happily ever after" scenario there...
I love Game of Thrones and I don’t even care much for fantasy. The characters are strong, the acting and direction is first rate and it is filmed on location. The story is powerful and intriguing. Can’t get much better than that for a tv series.
I'm reading the first book now, and though the show sticks pretty closely to the book, I have been surprised by how relatively little of this stuff is in the book. Shock value, for sure.
“Now is the winter of our discontent.”
It’s scenes like this that make the show what it is:
As much as I despise The author, who is an anti-American leftist and a huge douche in general, I do love the ASoIaF books.
So many parallels to the current “Game of Thrones” in Washington.
Jeoffrey = 0bama: We have the Petulant Child as King / President.
Cersi= a composite of MoochHell, Hillary and Valerie Jarrett
King Robert = Bill Clinton; more interested in whores than running his nation.
Tywin Lannister = George Soros
Renley Baratheon= Mitt Romney
Theon Greyjoy= John McCain
Petyr Baelish= Lew, Geithner, Bernanke composite
Walder Frey= About every Democrat Senator (and half of the GOP ones)
Janos Slynt= Janet Napolitano
Ygritte= Sarah Palin
Brienne= Michelle Bachmann
Ser Loras = Reggie Love
The Weeper= John Boehner
Unfortunately, I don’t see any Danerys, Jon Snow, or Tyrion Lannisters or any of the smart and somewhat honorable characters in real life. Ted Cruz maybe.
I have had high hopes for the development of the Daenerys Targaryen “Mother Of Dragons” character, she's physically very beautiful and therefore easy to watch. But, thus far this season, the few examples of stilted or strained storylines or ancillary characters has centered around her. This whole “great white hope” freeing all the slaves is racism masquerading as anachronistic progressivist fantasy. It's as wooden as one of Ayn Rand's protagonists hopping on a soapbox for a chapter-long soliloquy.
Maybe there's more going on, a leader is emerging among “her” people, “The Worm.” Given the particulars though, I'm a little concerned that the author and the directors just can't help themselves and will end up going full Mandingo on us.
It feels that predictable to me at this point. They'll lose me if so.
I've only watched one episode of Game of Thrones, but I was impressed.
Tom (#2 son) is reading that now. We got a disc from Netflix, but decided it really wasn’t suitable for our viewing audience.
Not much on HBo is family friendly.
So I understand, from what I read on FR! We don’t actually consume much current pop culture, just read about it.
Well, I do recognize several X-men, like Captain Picard and Halle Berry, since Tom watched the movies before I went to bed.
I haven't seen the series, so perhaps this unfair, but that is really off putting to any idea to watch the program.
I’ve never had the urge to watch it.
Whoa, Nelly...not quite...
The House of Lancaster was established by Henry IV who killed Richard II for the throne. Henry was the very legitimate son of John of Gaunt by Blanche of Lancaster, daughter of the very wealthy Duke of Lancaster.
And those “bastard children” were legitimized by the Church after John married Katherine when his last wife died.
You are right, though, that the children of John and Katherine were fashioned Beaufort and Henry VII is a Beaufort, hence their blood is in ER II’s veins...with more German blood than anything else!
Another excellent and recently published book on the War of the Roses is by Alison Weir...not too hard to follow and actually entertaining.
Well, I have read the books and I will say that they are the best books I’ve ever read, the main reason for that being character depth.
In the books, the homosexual relationship of Renly and Ser Loras was at best vaguely hinted at with no direct reference to gay sex whatsoever.
In the HBO series, it has been translated to showing gay sex on screen which is hard to stomach to say the least.
If I am not mistaken, it’s been 3 scenes so far, two between Renly and Loras and a third between Loras and a newly invented character that was never in the book. This new character seems to have been invented for the sole purpose of showing yet more gay sex, which is really annoying.
I would highly recommend reading the books before even considering watching the series, because while the series is good, the books are a masterpiece. It’s not an easy read though, it’s 5,000+ pages of a long, slow developing scenario, but the first thing I did when I got to the end was start over at the beginning. It’s that good.
What I really love about watching the series is seeing certain scenes that came to have a lot of meaning to me acted out on screen so well. Furthermore, the characters in the book are developed so extensively that it is thrilling to see them come to life via some of the most perfectly selected actors and actresses that I have ever seen.
Sadly, someone involved in this project wants to desensitize people to seeing gay sex, but it isn’t going to work with me, that’s for sure.
Theon Greyjoy as McCain is PERFECT! :D
And now I know why I like Ygritte so much!
I’m disappointed with season two so far.
You need to read the books.
They are following Danaery’s character in the book very closely.
Remember, she was sold as a slave to Khal Drogo by her own brother for the price of a crown.
I like the determination of the character Arya Stark, Tyrion the imp is rather hilarious, and The Hound is sympathetic (Especially if you have read the books).
“...a bunch of a**holes battling for supremacy...”
Kinda like real life.
I bet it took more than a second to post that.
You know nothing, Chris 37. ;-)
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