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If you must listen to Wagner, do it in private
The National Post ^ | 5/22/2013 | Barbara Kay

Posted on 05/22/2013 10:41:35 AM PDT by Borges

Today, May 22, is the 200th birthday of famed composer Richard Wagner — so his native Germany is awash in concerts, lectures and recordings to celebrate the Jubiläumsjahr (Jubilee Year). But predictably, the additional attention has stirred up an intensified version of the never-stale debate over Wagner’s authentic legacy: aesthetic prince to be honoured, or moral leper to be shunned?

Germany was once considered the pinnacle of aesthetic and philosophical sophistication, and at that pinnacle sat Richard Wagner. But after the war, Wagner (who is universally acknowledged to have been a racist and anti-Semite) retained more fame as Hitler’s muse than as a creative genius. In spite of Wagner’s acknowledged musical brilliance, post-Holocaust attendance at Wagnerian concerts came to assume the dimensions of an ethical litmus test for people of conscience.

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TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: classicalmusic; germany; happybirthday; music; opera; richardwagner; wagner

1 posted on 05/22/2013 10:41:35 AM PDT by Borges
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To: .30Carbine; 1cewolf; 1rudeboy; 31R1O; ADemocratNoMore; afraidfortherepublic; alarm rider; ...

Ridiculous perspective.


2 posted on 05/22/2013 10:42:14 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Oh sorry that was the classical ping!


3 posted on 05/22/2013 10:42:30 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

From the title I thought the author was talking about Porter Wagner, in which case I would have agreed 100%.


4 posted on 05/22/2013 10:43:40 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: Borges
Ridiculous perspective.

Indeed. That article was a "look at me; I'm an idiot!" moment.

5 posted on 05/22/2013 10:46:07 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Borges

Ah, the German version Orson Scott Card (the sci-fi novelist, hailed for the Ender’s Game series of stories, but derided because of his stance on gay marriage).


6 posted on 05/22/2013 10:46:47 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Borges

I agree with you.

On the other hand, I will NOT put money into the pocket of Sean Penn by attending his movies. Penn has worked tirelessly to destroy my country, and finances his treason by acting in movies. And he is doing it NOW.

I have never seen most of them.

While Wagner may have been an antisemite, his music was terrific.

While on a trip to Israel, I was shocked to see Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Pfaff Sewing machines, and even Krupps Appliances. Those companies have a lot more to do with Hitler than Wagner’s music.

Evidently, Israel goes for the best product rather than the politics of 75 years ago associated with it.


7 posted on 05/22/2013 10:53:01 AM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: Borges

I guess this twirp would ban all German cars, return all the technical documents for rockets, atomic research.

This would be the same type of moron who would have a conniption fit if someone wanted to ban a book.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 10:53:10 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Borges
Wagner (who is universally acknowledged to have been a racist and anti-Semite)

Applying modern standards to 19th Century Europe, 99% percent of people were racists and a slightly smaller percentage were anti-Semites.

9 posted on 05/22/2013 10:53:10 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The work is what it is, and should be judged as if one knows nothing of its creator.

Isaac Newton was a truly great man, but a real a-hole. The same could be said of many other great contributors to western Civ.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 10:54:52 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Borges
Anyone poo-pooing Wagner needs to sit down to this album:


11 posted on 05/22/2013 10:55:14 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Borges

12 posted on 05/22/2013 10:57:42 AM PDT by mikrofon (Cue the Fat Lady...)
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To: Borges

The irony being, of course, that Wagner was a first generation Communist who had been exiled from Dresden following the failed revolution of May 1849.


13 posted on 05/22/2013 10:58:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Wagner gave up his youthful radicalism later in life. Exchanging it for a sort of pagan hero worship culture. With himself being the primary hero.


14 posted on 05/22/2013 11:04:27 AM PDT by Borges
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To: mikrofon
The Fat Lady Sings the Wagner:


15 posted on 05/22/2013 11:06:49 AM PDT by Slyfox (The red face of shame is proof that the conscience is still operational.)
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To: Slyfox

I prefer Wagner Without Words. I think the voices take away from the beauty of the horns.


16 posted on 05/22/2013 11:49:40 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Borges
Say what you want about Wagner, there's still nothing better to listen to when you're coming in to land on a hot LZ.

CC

17 posted on 05/22/2013 11:56:42 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Borges
Please ........ Mozart.

18 posted on 05/22/2013 12:27:33 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Borges
I'm surprised no one has linked to this yet.

Apocalypse Now - Ride of the Valkyries (1080p)

19 posted on 05/22/2013 1:02:24 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Borges
What are you whistling?!?
20 posted on 05/22/2013 1:20:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: left that other site

While on a trip to Israel, I was shocked to see Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Pfaff Sewing machines, and even Krupps Appliances.

IINM, German reparations have been (and are) paid off in goods, rather than currency. I think that’s the main reason.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 1:37:29 PM PDT by eddiespaghetti ((with the meatball eyes))
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To: Borges
whatever the silly cow says isn't worth listening to... feh
22 posted on 05/22/2013 2:52:49 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Borges
I know! Those young thugs out in the streets playing Das Rheingold so loud at all hours of the night! It's enough to drive you crazy!
23 posted on 05/22/2013 2:57:29 PM PDT by x
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To: Borges
What a bunch of self-righteous drivel.

I suppose that people should only drive Ford vehicles "in private" because Henry Ford was anti-Semitic.

24 posted on 05/22/2013 3:41:28 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: vbmoneyspender
Applying modern standards to 19th Century Europe, 99% percent of people were racists and a slightly smaller percentage were anti-Semites.

And not surprisingly, it isn't just Wagner who professional victim groups want to ban and marginalize. It's virtually the entire canon of Western culture, all "dead white males," and mostly racist, sexist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic by the standards of today's politically correct left.

25 posted on 05/22/2013 3:43:47 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Borges
I like Bugs Bunny's version of Wagner
26 posted on 05/22/2013 5:45:31 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: eddiespaghetti

That makes sense.


27 posted on 05/22/2013 6:39:15 PM PDT by left that other site ((Ban the ubiquitous and deadly solvent, Di-hydrogen monoxide!!!))
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To: Borges
No one can take away 'The Ride of the Valkyries' from me; only from my dead cold hands griping a loud set of speakers.




28 posted on 05/23/2013 8:08:16 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Borges
Also, I wonder if Kay wrote this while ‘Carmina Burana’ was blasting through her ears.
29 posted on 05/23/2013 8:13:14 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: oh8eleven

"Ahhh, Bach."

30 posted on 05/23/2013 8:14:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

We have waaaay too much time on our hands :)


31 posted on 05/23/2013 10:25:23 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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