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Tornado safety is personal responsibility

Posted on 05/22/2013 4:29:51 PM PDT by sagar

If I live in a place that has 3 EF4-5 tornadoes in the last 15 years, it is my responsibility to make sure me and my family, including my school aged children, are safe.

The government has no place in mandating a free citizen our business. Don't tell me what kind of shelter I must have.

This CNN whore was grilling Coburn about the government mandate as if it was government's responsibility to protect us from weather. No, if your public school has no shelter and you believe you require it, either raise money or school your own kids at home and build shelters there.

I'm sure big government so called conservatives will join liberals in forcing everybody to have shelters to protect us from our own decisions. Media will focus on sob stories.

How is this any different than the Obamacare?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Weather
KEYWORDS: vanity

1 posted on 05/22/2013 4:29:51 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

Government “help” is rendering us helpless.


2 posted on 05/22/2013 4:30:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: sagar

I agree but we’re long past that already. Seat belt laws, bike helmet regulations, etc. Local and state governments especially already mandate all sorts of building codes. You’re not wrong, but that train has already left the station.


3 posted on 05/22/2013 4:33:08 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: sagar

I’m curious. How many shelters could we have put in schools for the amount of money we’ve paid for mooseChelle and zero (& brats) to go on their many vacations?


4 posted on 05/22/2013 4:36:44 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: sagar

I do not now but have previously lived in tornado alley. Since that time about 20 years ago, I have learned about monolithic domes. They can be designed to withstand 400 mph winds and over 100 mph projectiles. If I had to live in a tornado area again, I believe I would build one of these.

www.monolithic.com

At the very least, I would be pushing the school board to rebuild the school with at least the gym being a dome.


5 posted on 05/22/2013 4:38:32 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: sagar

You should put out your fire.


6 posted on 05/22/2013 4:40:03 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: sagar

Why aren’t citizens mandated to carry guns in dangerous cities?


7 posted on 05/22/2013 4:40:50 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: taxcontrol

No telling what the people could have done if their tax dollars had been kept local. After all, only local people really know what they want and need.

It irritates the hell out of me that taxpayers nationwide are forced to pay for bike trails in my county. Unfortunately that irresponsibility is a natural result of getting an allowance from Uncle Sugar.


8 posted on 05/22/2013 4:42:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: sagar

Monolithic dome school.

9 posted on 05/22/2013 4:43:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: sagar

I saw it. You r right...it was disgusting. I wish they would all get the heck out of Oklahoma. We don’t need them here. Like I really believe she really cares about the people of Oklahoma.


10 posted on 05/22/2013 4:46:56 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (No man is without sin.)
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To: Longbow1969

I do not believe wearing seatbelts can reduce accidents. If you are crashing at 70 MPH without the seatbelt, the only person you will be killing is yourself; again, darwin award right there, so no harm and no foul.

If, under very rare circumstances, should your ejected corpse theoretically hit another person and cause injuries or cause damages to property, then it might be a case for the courts.


11 posted on 05/22/2013 4:52:36 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

It still freaks me out to see guys on cycles without helmets here in Michigan. I’d never ride without one but so far I haven’t been injured by those who don’t.


12 posted on 05/22/2013 4:57:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: taxcontrol

Thanks for the link to monolithic dome construction. Fascinating.


13 posted on 05/22/2013 5:01:50 PM PDT by Misterioso (It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing - Duke Ellington)
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To: sagar

I’m against seat belt laws, but I do thinking wearing them can save your life. The problem is not your driving or my driving, it’s other people. If some girl smacks you head on because she’s putting on makeup, you have a better chance of survival if you have your seatbelt on. It’s smart to buckle up, but the government shouldn’t mandate it.


14 posted on 05/22/2013 5:03:49 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: yellowdoghunter

” I wish they would all get the heck out of Oklahoma. We don’t need them here. Like I really believe she really cares about the people of Oklahoma.”

She is a media whore, so she is attracted to disasters and human misery, like flies to sh*t. They will be there until they enact their agenda and exploit all sob stories.

Judging from what I have heard so far, vast majority of Oklahomans do not have shelters from tornadoes. If Oklahomans themselves do not appear to need/want shelters, so why are media whores (and politicians soon to follow) pushing for the mandates?


15 posted on 05/22/2013 5:06:41 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

On a pure libertarian basis you are correct.

It’s the ones that don’t get killed and run up multi-million dollar repair bills and lifetime custodial care at taxpayer expense that are a financial issue.


16 posted on 05/22/2013 5:07:22 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: cripplecreek

When I lived there in the 60s, Mich had a mandatory helmet law but not a mandatory helmet wearing law.

About 75% of the bikes had a helmet strapped to the rear fender.


17 posted on 05/22/2013 5:09:02 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: cripplecreek

It still freaks me out to see guys on cycles without helmets here in Michigan.”

Those would be called organ donors.


18 posted on 05/22/2013 5:12:28 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: sagar

The answer that Coburn should have given is that if the democrats had not spent so many billions on globull warming scam and green company scams....all if their hollywood cronies....and federal union pensions and perks...there would be plenty of money to give state grants for shelters in tornado prone mid west Oklahoma.

That would have shut her up cold. That is what I would have done...lol.


19 posted on 05/22/2013 5:13:02 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: nascarnation

“It’s the ones that don’t get killed and run up multi-million dollar repair bills and lifetime custodial care at taxpayer expense that are a financial issue.”

There is because there are parasitic laws that force hospitals to treat those who cannot afford their treatments. If you do not wear seatbelts and cannot afford medical care for a vehicular accident, then you should not be behind a vehicle. The laws protect the societal parasites and punish those who should be protected. To address the effect of the pre-existing parasitic laws, more parasitic laws are added.


20 posted on 05/22/2013 5:16:07 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

vast majority of Oklahomans do not have shelters from tornadoes...”

The ground is not real “dig” friendly in most of Oklahoma. Even here in our part of Texas we had to dig out the clay from our garden space and then replace it with real dirt. But at least we didn’t have rock to deal with and we could use a shovel and not dynamite.


21 posted on 05/22/2013 5:16:26 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Misterioso

Some “round houses” are popping up here and there along the coast in Galveston. Still hasn’t caught on very well though.


22 posted on 05/22/2013 5:17:39 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Grams A

“The ground is not real “dig” friendly in most of Oklahoma. Even here in our part of Texas we had to dig out the clay from our garden space and then replace it with real dirt. But at least we didn’t have rock to deal with and we could use a shovel and not dynamite.”

It sounds like a conscious decision to not have underground shelters in Oklahoma. Again, if Oklahomans were really needing/wanting tornado shelters, they could have paid extra five grand to get above-ground shelters. Everybody has priority and cost benefit analysis, including Oklahomans, but media whores want to force their own priority on others.


23 posted on 05/22/2013 5:20:36 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

Yeah I’ve never understood why someone would build in Tornado alley and not have a shelter.

For a private home even someone with minimal construction skills could build something to keep themselves alive for a few minutes. Dig down 4 feet, pour a concrete floor, build block walls a solidly attached door to cover it.


24 posted on 05/22/2013 5:23:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: sagar

My family must be very odd. We have been wearing seat belts for years before they were required. We started wearing them after I had a wreck back in 74 which tossed my daughter out of her car seat. I fasten them as soon as I get in the car.


25 posted on 05/22/2013 5:28:04 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: sagar

Defending against meteorite strike is personal responsibility too


26 posted on 05/22/2013 5:31:59 PM PDT by dinoparty
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“Defending against meteorite strike is personal responsibility too”

If your town gets ravaged by meteorite strikes every 5 years, while towns 100 miles away do not, then either you are extremely dumb or suicidal if you do not take precaution against meteorite strikes. So, yes, I would say defending such meteorite strikes is about personal responsibility.


27 posted on 05/22/2013 5:36:10 PM PDT by sagar
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To: cripplecreek
If I dig down 4', I've got a pool.

/johnny

28 posted on 05/22/2013 5:39:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: sagar

Government help? That school was set to get a new shelter, but FEMA held back the funds because of a rule cha ge in the application. This government is being run by yet to be convicted criminals.


29 posted on 05/22/2013 5:41:13 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Same thing here. Michigan (North Louisiana)


30 posted on 05/22/2013 5:42:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MamaB

I feel like I’m going to fall out of the car if I don’t wear a seat belt.


31 posted on 05/22/2013 5:44:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

“That school was set to get a new shelter, but FEMA held back the funds”

Is there a source? Regardless, why are they seeking federal funds for their children’s safety? Government free welfare money. How about they just proceeded without the federal freebie (somebody else’s money) and protected their own school children?


32 posted on 05/22/2013 5:44:56 PM PDT by sagar
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To: cripplecreek
Last night, I actually put on pants and boots because of the extreme weather here.

I would love to build a shelter. It's not going to happen. I don't have the cash equal to the price of my house and property to install one that doesn't flood or float to the surface.

/johnny

33 posted on 05/22/2013 5:46:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cripplecreek

To paraphrase from “The King and I”,

If Government is strong with power to protect me,
Might they not protect me out of all I own?


34 posted on 05/22/2013 5:51:17 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I was thinking about going halfway and dig down two feet and build a berm over the top of it.

Doesn’t need to be big, maybe 5 feet by 5 feet. Big enough for me, my two dogs, a tent just in case the house blows away, and a couple gallons of water.


35 posted on 05/22/2013 5:51:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah. Last year I had gone to the grocery store. I was nearly out of the parking lot when I heard a beeping sound. I had never heard it before but I had forgotten to fasten my seat belt. I could not believe I had not fastened it.


36 posted on 05/22/2013 6:51:10 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: sagar
As parents are legally required to school their kids, & many cannot home school, they have no choice but to cede the care & responsibility for their children to public schools.

All of us pay property taxes, directly or indirectly, for the purpose of funding public education. Some of that money SHOULD be used for school storm shelters in areas at regular risk of tornadoes.

If student safety is so unimportant that shelters must be paid for through “charity”, then the school budget priorities need to be seriously reexamined. The FIRST priority must be the safety of the children.

Storm shelters don't have to be million dollar lounges. Shipping containers buried under ground with ventilation, lighting, benches, & a secure entrance are all that are needed. No doubt a school could have a sufficient number of these installed for less that the cost of one year's salary of an assistant principal.

If it comes down to one less teacher/administrator or a bunch of dead kids/teachers/administrators, which is the more important? This is one choice where EVERYONE should agree.

I should add that a school is a good location for public shelters. Schools are often used as shelters during storms & floods, now. Why not enhance that public accommodation with enough shelters not only to protect the school, but also anyone nearby needing immediate shelter? Not everyone is conveniently near their home shelter when a tornado hits.

37 posted on 05/22/2013 7:38:22 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Misterioso

Sure. I’m glad to pass the info on.


38 posted on 05/22/2013 8:47:34 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: sagar
How about they just proceeded without the federal freebie (somebody else’s money) and protected their own school children?
Couldn't agree more.
39 posted on 05/23/2013 5:56:35 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( EVERY DIME Obama Spends is given to him by the Republicans in the House.)
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