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Memorial Day--My Dad

Posted on 05/24/2013 6:07:45 AM PDT by alchemist54

After my 12year odyssey with the Veterans Administration and compilation of my military records. I decided to request my Fathers Records. My Father Passed away in 1967 at age 48. I was 17 and knew very little about his war time experiences. I knew he served with the 2nd Armored Division under General Patton that he fought in North Africa, Sicily, landed on Normandy and fought till the end of the war. He talked very little about the war. The response I received from the VA was that his records were destroyed in a fire in the records division in the 70’s. I decided to do online searches and I contacted my sister who found among our mother’s personal items a picture of Dad in uniform, and a copy of his discharge papers. Meanwhile my internet search came across a veteran named Paul Andert living in Tulsa Oklahoma. Mr. Andert was a platoon Sergeant in Bravo Company 41st Armored Infantry /2nd Armored Division. From my Fathers discharge we found out he was assigned to Bravo Company 41st Armored Infantry/2nd Armored Division. Mr. Andert has a webpage and had written a book entitled “unless you have been there”, detailing his experiences during the war. I took a chance and contacted Mr. Andert, it paid off. I received an email with a phone number requesting I call ASAP as Mr. Andert wanted to speak with me. I called and learned that not only did he know my Father but he had worked after the war for the “war department” where he had gathered all the records he could pertaining to his unit during the war. Since we were heading out to the southwest for vacation, we decided to leave early to stop in Tulsa and visit Mr. Andert. This was the highlight of our trip, Mr. Andert is 93 and is getting older but his memories are still very clear. My Father would tell me funny stories about his time in service and if I asked specific questions he would always try to answer them. As I sat with Mr. Andert his stories brought back memories of my Fathers stories and they matched! Here is what I discovered about my Father in the war. My Father joined Bravo Company 41st Armored Infantry/ 2nd Armored Division in 1941 at Ft. Benning, Georgia. After training He landed at Casablanca and took part in the North African campaign, he landed on Sicily and was with the unit when they were pulled back to England after taking Palermo (they all thought they were heading home). They went to England, were trained and landed on Normandy. My Father had told me he landed twice at Normandy-once on foot then once with his tank- well Mr.Andert in his book and verbally confirmed that several soldiers were chosen as pathfinders to land set up a staging area then retrieve the tanks, my Father was one of these soldiers. After their breakout and battles across France, Belgium, Holland, the battle of the bulge, the Siegfried line, crossing the Rhine River, meeting the Russians at the Elbe River and being the only American unit allowed to enter Berlin. My Father left the service in late 1945, he was awarded the CIB(combat infantry badge) , Bronze Star/V device, European campaign medal/7 bronze stars& 2 bronze arrowheads, Purple Heart, American Defense, Good Conduct, Victory medal, and battle of the Bulge certificate and medal. Also from foreign governments, from Belgium the Belgium Croix de Guerre and the liberation of Belgium medal, From France 4 French Croix de Guerre medals (1medal/silver star & palm leaf) ,the liberation of France medal, and the French Normandy medal, From Holland the liberation of Holland medal. Mr. Andert has put things into motion and I am starting to receive the medals and other certificates my father earned. We also have started the recreation process to have his records recreated. This Memorial Day will be special to me not only have I been on a miraculous journey of discovery about my Father, I also got to meet and become friends with Mr. Paul Andert. I would suggest that if you want to know about soldiers in combat get his book and read it. This memorial day if you know or are related to a WWII veteran get them to tell you their story and write it down or record it, we are losing this history way to fast. To all my fellow veterans remember for those of us who fought for it freedom has a taste the protected will never know.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: va; wwii

1 posted on 05/24/2013 6:07:45 AM PDT by alchemist54
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To: alchemist54

I would like to read your story about your dad, please re-post it w/ paragraphs.


2 posted on 05/24/2013 6:12:18 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: alchemist54

Better yet, get permission to tape record the conversation. I wish I could go back and hear what little my Dad told me in his own words. I have one remaining relative who was on a sub in the Pacific during WW2 - he is talking a lot now about the experience, and I am just not able to write fast enough. If my Dad were alive now, he would be disgusted. What in the world were they fighting for- stopping Tyranny? Promoting Freedom? In 68 short years, it’s all going to hell in a basket.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 6:15:04 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: alchemist54; US Navy Vet

After my 12year odyssey with the Veterans Administration and compilation of my military records. I decided to request my Fathers Records. My Father Passed away in 1967 at age 48.

I was 17 and knew very little about his war time experiences. I knew he served with the 2nd Armored Division under General Patton that he fought in North Africa, Sicily, landed on Normandy and fought till the end of the war. He talked very little about the war.

The response I received from the VA was that his records were destroyed in a fire in the records division in the 70’s. I decided to do online searches and I contacted my sister who found among our mother’s personal items a picture of Dad in uniform, and a copy of his discharge papers. Meanwhile my internet search came across a veteran named Paul Andert living in Tulsa Oklahoma. Mr. Andert was a platoon Sergeant in Bravo Company 41st Armored Infantry /2nd Armored Division. From my Fathers discharge we found out he was assigned to Bravo Company 41st Armored Infantry/2nd Armored Division.

Mr. Andert has a webpage and had written a book entitled “unless you have been there”, detailing his experiences during the war. I took a chance and contacted Mr. Andert, it paid off. I received an email with a phone number requesting I call ASAP as Mr. Andert wanted to speak with me. I called and learned that not only did he know my Father but he had worked after the war for the “war department” where he had gathered all the records he could pertaining to his unit during the war.

Since we were heading out to the southwest for vacation, we decided to leave early to stop in Tulsa and visit Mr. Andert. This was the highlight of our trip, Mr. Andert is 93 and is getting older but his memories are still very clear. My Father would tell me funny stories about his time in service and if I asked specific questions he would always try to answer them. As I sat with Mr. Andert his stories brought back memories of my Fathers stories and they matched!

Here is what I discovered about my Father in the war. My Father joined Bravo Company 41st Armored Infantry/ 2nd Armored Division in 1941 at Ft. Benning, Georgia. After training He landed at Casablanca and took part in the North African campaign, he landed on Sicily and was with the unit when they were pulled back to England after taking Palermo (they all thought they were heading home). They went to England, were trained and landed on Normandy. My Father had told me he landed twice at Normandy-once on foot then once with his tank- well Mr.Andert in his book and verbally confirmed that several soldiers were chosen as pathfinders to land set up a staging area then retrieve the tanks, my Father was one of these soldiers.

After their breakout and battles across France, Belgium, Holland, the battle of the bulge, the Siegfried line, crossing the Rhine River, meeting the Russians at the Elbe River and being the only American unit allowed to enter Berlin.

My Father left the service in late 1945, he was awarded the CIB(combat infantry badge) , Bronze Star/V device, European campaign medal/7 bronze stars& 2 bronze arrowheads, Purple Heart, American Defense, Good Conduct, Victory medal, and battle of the Bulge certificate and medal. Also from foreign governments, from Belgium the Belgium Croix de Guerre and the liberation of Belgium medal, From France 4 French Croix de Guerre medals (1medal/silver star & palm leaf) ,the liberation of France medal, and the French Normandy medal, From Holland the liberation of Holland medal.

Mr. Andert has put things into motion and I am starting to receive the medals and other certificates my father earned. We also have started the recreation process to have his records recreated. This Memorial Day will be special to me not only have I been on a miraculous journey of discovery about my Father, I also got to meet and become friends with Mr. Paul Andert. I would suggest that if you want to know about soldiers in combat get his book and read it.

This memorial day if you know or are related to a WWII veteran get them to tell you their story and write it down or record it, we are losing this history way to fast. To all my fellow veterans remember for those of us who fought for it freedom has a taste the protected will never know.


4 posted on 05/24/2013 6:16:46 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: alchemist54

Cheers to the Greatest Generation.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 6:23:06 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: alchemist54

Great read!


6 posted on 05/24/2013 6:24:01 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: deks

Thank you for breaking this back into paragraphs, not sure why it grouped everything together when I hit post.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 6:24:50 AM PDT by alchemist54 ((for those who fight for it freedom has a taste the protected will never know))
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I'm very happy for you. Ten years ago I had a very similar experience involving my father, who fought at Saipan & Okinawa and died at 42 (I was 6). After a ton of research, I met his old platoon sergeant who was in poor health and his since passed. However, he introduced me to Dad's squad leader, and we became great friends. He's still hanging in there pretty well at 93, and it has been a truly rewarding experience.

Opportunities such as this are getting very rare, I'm glad you are able to enjoy the experience!

8 posted on 05/24/2013 6:34:52 AM PDT by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: alchemist54

Thank you for posting it for us. I enjoyed Ernie Pyle’s book Here Is Your War. He describes in detail GI Joe’s experiences in North Africa.


9 posted on 05/24/2013 6:39:01 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: deks

For a wonderful tribute to America by James McEachin, well-decorated Korean War veteran tune-in to Access Hollywood Live tomorrow at 11 a.m. on NBC 4 in Los Angeles. His is at the very end of the show but it should be part of the National Memorial Day program. This is about the America our men and women fought for, sacrificed for and laid down their lives for.


10 posted on 05/24/2013 6:49:35 AM PDT by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: alchemist54

To honor your Dad and all past Vets and their sacrifices along with the many Families.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKqT0-3JV5E


11 posted on 05/24/2013 7:09:38 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: alchemist54

Thank-you for sharing this with us.


12 posted on 05/24/2013 7:22:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: alchemist54

I was so looking forward to a wonderful post for this holiday. But after opeining it, my eyes are bleeding.....

Please add paragraph breaks.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 8:29:53 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: alchemist54

That records fire was a huge disaster, and resulted in an incalculable loss to American history.

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/fire-1973.html

On July 12, 1973, a disastrous fire at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) destroyed approximately 16-18 million Official Military Personnel Files (OMPF). The records affected:

Personnel discharged:

US Army November 1, 1912 to January 1, 1960 80% lost.

Air Force September 25, 1947 to January 1, 1964
(with names alphabetically after Hubbard, James E.) 75% lost.

No duplicate copies of these records were ever maintained, nor were microfilm copies produced. Neither were any indexes created prior to the fire.

In addition, millions of documents had been lent to the Department of Veterans Affairs before the fire occurred. ]

Therefore, a complete listing of the records that were lost is not available. However, in the years following the fire, the NPRC collected numerous series of records (referred to as Auxiliary Records) that are used to reconstruct basic service information.

Shortly after midnight, on July 12, 1973, a fire was reported at the NPRC’s military personnel records building at 9700 Page Boulevard in St. Louis, MO.

Firefighters arrived on the scene only 4 minutes and 20 seconds after the first alarm sounded and entered the building. While they were able to reach the burning sixth floor, the heat and the smoke forced the firefighters to withdraw at 3:15am.

In order to combat and contain the flames, firefighters were forced to pour great quantities of water onto the exterior of the building and inside through broken windows.

The fire burned out of control for 22 hours; it took two days before firefighters were able to re-enter the building. The blaze was so intense that local Overland residents had to remain indoors, due to the heavy acrid smoke.

It was not until July 16, nearly four and a half days after the first reports, that the local fire department called the fire officially out.

http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/fire-1973.html


14 posted on 05/24/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: CSM

READ post #4


15 posted on 05/24/2013 9:25:28 AM PDT by alchemist54 ((for those who fight for it freedom has a taste the protected will never know))
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To: alchemist54
Thank you for posting this. My daddy also served in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy. He didn't talk about it much either. I didn't ask him nearly enough questions and we know little about his activities. I intend to get Mr. Andert’s book.

Thanks again.

16 posted on 05/24/2013 9:34:27 AM PDT by jch10 (The greatest threat to America is the Democrats.)
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A beautiful story and thank you for posting it. My Dad also served in WWII and we only have short stories which I loved hearing. We found out only after his death in 2007 that he had received a Silver Star [found in safety deposit box] and I’d love to find out more. I had no idea about the fire though and hope I can get more info.


17 posted on 05/24/2013 9:58:47 AM PDT by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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UPDATE!!!!! while we were in Delta, Utah on our trip we noticed a car with New Hampshire plates. The next morning as we were heading out fossil hunting I met the driver and struck up a conversation. I asked what brought him out to Utah and got a shock—he was with a company called Longshot films and they were making a documentary on WWII vets. He was out doing interviews of Veterans. Well I gave him all my contact info for Mr.Andert and told him the story I posted above. Mr. Andert called and said he had been contacted and had an interview. Sometimes things just come together.


18 posted on 05/24/2013 10:19:19 AM PDT by alchemist54 ((for those who fight for it freedom has a taste the protected will never know))
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To: alchemist54

bfl


19 posted on 05/24/2013 2:00:40 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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