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Napa Wine Aged in the Ocean Yields Surprising Results
SF Weekly ^ | Thu., May 23 2013 | Anna Roth

Posted on 05/24/2013 11:32:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Three months ago, Mira Winery in Napa embarked on a grand experiment: It lowered 48 bottles of its 2009 Cabernet Sauvignon into the ocean outside Charleston, S.C. in a custom-built cage to see what aging in the sea would do to the wine's flavor. On Tuesday, the bottles were retrieved and tasted. The differences between the wine aged in the ocean and the wine aged in the regular process are "incredible," according to Gutavo Gonzalez, Mira winemaker.

Both were fruit-forward and jammy, as would be expected from a new wine, but the vino in the ocean-aged bottles had loosened up and relaxed much more than he expected after just three months. Possible causes floated by Gonzales and Patrick Emerson, an advanced sommelier who also tasted the wine, include the ocean's relatively stable temperature, lack of light, and the rocking motion of the waves.

"I'm perplexed and amazed at how quickly these wines have sort of taken two different paths. Both are delightful to drink. I can tell they're the same wine, but it's almost like there has been some magic happened in the aquaoir," Emerson said in a press conference yesterday.

Mira plans to sell twelve bottles of the wine to Wine Club Members beginning June 1 on a first-come, first-serve basis. But there will be more: In the fall, the winery plans to continue the experiment by placing eight cases of wine in the water for six months.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food
KEYWORDS: oenology; wine

1 posted on 05/24/2013 11:32:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Ocean water is considered living water (mayim chayim) by the rabbis.

Maybe the life force in the water did it!

Next we’ll be seeing “ocean aged” wine for sale on store shelves.


2 posted on 05/24/2013 11:35:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: nickcarraway; a fool in paradise

It’s true, I’ve had an occasion to try it. The wine’s tastes a bit salty, though.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 11:40:37 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

James May and Oz Clark need to weigh in.


4 posted on 05/24/2013 11:41:16 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: nickcarraway

If the wine is made in Napa, why did they have to go all the way to SC to put it in the ocean? Wasn’t the Pacific good enough for them?


5 posted on 05/24/2013 11:41:24 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nickcarraway

Though there may be a difference, I consider this to be basically a publicity stunt, like Harley Davidson trying to patent the potato-potato sound or Makers mark reducing their alcohol content slightly to increase production.

The two examples worked remarkably well. And this company got their name out there effectively with this.


6 posted on 05/24/2013 11:42:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: nickcarraway

Wonder if we lowered Libs into the ocean for three months if there would be incredible differences.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 11:42:48 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: nickcarraway
Smuckers has been doing "fruit forward and jammy" since 1897!!


8 posted on 05/24/2013 11:43:20 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: nickcarraway

An electromagnetic field might also be in play.


9 posted on 05/24/2013 11:43:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: wally_bert

“James May and Oz Clark need to weigh in.”

I was thinking that Penn & Teller need to weigh in with another episode of “Bulls**t!”


10 posted on 05/24/2013 11:43:39 AM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: nickcarraway

Constant temperature?

The Norwegians age Akavit by putting it into casks then keeping it in the hold of a cargo ship for 1 year. Again, constant temperature.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 11:43:57 AM PDT by llevrok (2013: - Obama vs America. The new cold war)
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To: nickcarraway

Why the Atlantic?


12 posted on 05/24/2013 11:47:47 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

And of couse it will be a bit more expensive.


13 posted on 05/24/2013 11:51:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Boogieman

I’m going to guess that the higher ambient temperature of the Gulfstream was thought to be kinder to the goods that the typically much colder Pacific.


14 posted on 05/24/2013 11:52:02 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: nickcarraway

Please don’t take this as a slam against this post it is meant as a comment on wine reviews in general. No offense intended.

Reading reviews about wine is like reading an art or movie or play critic’s review and attempting to make any logical connection between the words used and the subject.

Jammy? Sure, OK, I can understand that and imagine the taste.

However:
Fruit-forward??? WTH is the chemical formula for producing Fruit-forward and just what have they failed to convey to a normal human being assuming they are describing a taste. Does this contribute to glo-bull warming/cooling.

Relaxed?? Again, just what chemical formula produces relaxed and what does that do to ones tongue?

I get the impression they are just attempting to impress a limited few snobs who would not dare to dispute the Relaxed taste or if the Fruit was forward or reverse.

Under full disclosure I have to admit to committing the ultimate Wine Faux Pas in France a few years back where the buss boy at our table nearly went spastic when we were willing to try a Wine which had just been released to the market and was suggested by our waiter.

He went ballistic because we were having fish and it was a red wine. Oh the humanity. You would have though we were mixing matter and anti-matter and I am not exaggerating.


15 posted on 05/24/2013 11:53:46 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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16 posted on 05/24/2013 11:54:08 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Wurlitzer
I hear you. I only like red wine, so I wouldn't be having white wine with fish anyway.

I love the fact that the waiter recommended it, but it was the bus boy who got furious. Only in France. Was he mad at the waiter or you?

17 posted on 05/24/2013 12:02:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Wurlitzer

It’s just the jargon people use to make outsiders think something is complicated or special to be able to charge more. Avoidng plain English impresses some people.


18 posted on 05/24/2013 12:09:02 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Wurlitzer

Well, like you, no offense intended, but just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s not legit. Folks in the wine industry or who are avid consumers know what these terms mean. I may not understand what a lot of terms used, say, in tree pruning or book binding or basket weaving mean, but that doesn’t mean the terms are meaningless to those who need to use them.

And second, there are plenty of times red wine is great with fish. Depends on the wine, the fish and how its prepared. You decide what you like, there are no rules that must be followed or else. And that’s probably a reason the guy was still a bus boy and not waiter.


19 posted on 05/24/2013 12:12:08 PM PDT by LonelyCon
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To: nickcarraway

I’m partial to the south Pacific myself.


20 posted on 05/24/2013 12:14:32 PM PDT by Defiant (The answer to Francis Scott Key's question is: No, it does not. That land is no more.)
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To: nickcarraway

OK, let me get this right. You lower something in a cage in to the the oean and you leave it there for 3 months and that makes it better?

Hmm...

And we need to make the IRS better?

Hey, I have an idea!


21 posted on 05/24/2013 12:18:01 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: nickcarraway
If they are going to try this in the Atlantic Ocean, Charleston, SC, is the obvious place.

Charleston is where the Ashley River and the Cooper River unite to form the Atlantic Ocean.

Or so I've heard.

22 posted on 05/24/2013 12:20:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Wurlitzer
I get the impression they are just attempting to impress a limited few snobs who would not dare to dispute the Relaxed taste or if the Fruit was forward or reverse.

I'm reminded of Two Buck Chuck winning the blind taste test at the California State Fair competition in 2007.

July 12, 2007

The connoisseurs may cringe, the snobs may even sob, but the judges have spoken: California's best chardonnay costs less than $3.

Charles Shaw Chardonnay, better known as "Two Buck Chuck," beat hundreds of other wines and was named the top prize in a prestigious tasting competition in California.

"The characteristics that we look for in our gold medal winner … a nice creamy butter, fruity … it was a delight to taste," said 2007 California State Fair Commercial Wine Competition judge Michael Williams.

The affordable wine beat out 350 other California chardonnays to win the double gold. Second place went to an $18 bottle, and the most expensive wines at the event, at the price of $55, didn't even medal.

More at ABC Story
23 posted on 05/24/2013 12:21:39 PM PDT by Bob
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To: isthisnickcool

If it works for violins, why not wine?


24 posted on 05/24/2013 12:25:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Wurlitzer
I get the impression they are just attempting to impress a limited few snobs who would not dare to dispute the Relaxed taste or if the Fruit was forward or reverse.

Fruit forward generally means you get more of a fruit (grape) taste at the start of the sip, vs a more aged wine where the fruit flavor has dissipated. Relaxed typically describes a wine which requires less decanting time before unpleasant flavors have dissipated from the wine.

As for ocean aging - colder aging has been around for quite a while, and warmer cellars can give a marked difference in flavor. Typically, however, the difference is right after removing the cork - once decanted for an hour or so, it is difficult to tell the difference between a cold cellar and a warm cellar aging.

And yes, I drink two buck Chuck. The Savignon Blanc is particularly good this year.

25 posted on 05/24/2013 12:31:43 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Boogieman

Currents in both oceans move the same direction in each hemisphere. Clockwise in north of the equator counterclockwise in the south. So the currents passing the pacific coast are colder than those passing the Atlantic coast. I imagine that temp difference was part of the difference.


26 posted on 05/24/2013 12:32:34 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: nickcarraway

I put a six pack of beer in the creek....It tasted like semi-cold beer?


27 posted on 05/24/2013 12:35:42 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Next we’ll be seeing “ocean aged” wine for sale on store shelves.

My first thought. Maybe I'm too cynical but I see this as a marketing ploy for the well-healed who will now say they simply must have the ocean-aged wine and turn up their noses at others who can't afford such a delicacy.

Yeah, okay.

28 posted on 05/24/2013 12:42:02 PM PDT by Obadiah (What is twisted cannot be straightened...)
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To: nickcarraway

“Both were fruit-forward and jammy”

But I like my wine ass-backward and clammy!


29 posted on 05/24/2013 12:48:49 PM PDT by Jagman
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To: Obadiah
My first thought. Maybe I'm too cynical but I see this as a marketing ploy for the well-healed who will now say they simply must have the ocean-aged wine and turn up their noses at others who can't afford such a delicacy.

I'm waiting for not only 'ocean aged', but specific places in the ocean. 'Mediterranean Sea aged', 'Indian Ocean aged', and rather than the far too common 'Atlantic Ocean', it'll be Bahama Ocean Aged, or Cape Cod Ocean Aged... ;)

30 posted on 05/24/2013 12:49:01 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: nickcarraway

That is crazy! But.. it totally makes sense! Love it and want to try it!


31 posted on 05/24/2013 12:52:29 PM PDT by laffnatu
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To: LonelyCon

Your point is well taken but as one who believes that words have or sure should have meaning, if they are to convey a thought to another human, concocting meanings to impress the inner circle does nothing to help those of us outside that circle.

And yes, I admit to not understanding the subtleties of Wine, it would be helpful to skip the fru-fru esoteric language and help more people understand assuming the point is to inform rather than impress.


32 posted on 05/24/2013 12:56:18 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Revolting cat!
It’s true, I’ve had an occasion to try it. The wine’s tastes a bit salty, though.

How is that possible? If anything from the ocean environment leached into the bottle I would think the product would be unpalatable.

33 posted on 05/24/2013 1:04:50 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

True, but what a possibility for jokes, good and bad!


34 posted on 05/24/2013 1:06:49 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Wurlitzer
He went ballistic because we were having fish and it was a red wine. Oh the humanity.

Yeah, yeah pal. Just fill it up.


35 posted on 05/24/2013 1:08:18 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Next we’ll be seeing “ocean aged” wine for sale on store shelves.

And just like 'organic' food...who is to say it is or isn't?
And just like 'organic' food...it'll have a price difference to match.

36 posted on 05/24/2013 1:10:22 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Wurlitzer

Light red wine goes fine with fish, the rule is not arbitrary, but it is related how flavors blend. Still, the con-a-sewers lingo is often, as you point out, used to impress and not to inform.


37 posted on 05/24/2013 1:11:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I’m preparing fish tonight. I think I’ll have a Beringers White Zin with it.


38 posted on 05/24/2013 1:16:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: nickcarraway; Wurlitzer
To paraphrase the great Cajun Chef Justin Wilson....

"I drank red wine when I wants to drank it! The fish is daid. He ain't gonna care whut color the wine is!"

39 posted on 05/24/2013 1:19:11 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

At the farmers market, I usually see organic cheaper than regular at the super market.


40 posted on 05/24/2013 1:19:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Wurlitzer

When wine is aged there are chemical reactions happening for anywhere from one to twenty five years depending on the wine. These involve dissolved gasses, tannins, acids, and resins, and depend on many factors including the wood barrels when used.

There are around 20 aroma families used to describe a wines smell such as floral, fruits, herbaceous, minerals, spices, and musk.

Also considered are texture, color, alcohol content and of course, taste. For taste there are over 100 descriptors that describe the balance between acids, sugars, tannins, and the alcohol as well as specific flavors.


41 posted on 05/24/2013 1:23:00 PM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: Wurlitzer

I love wine, I drink a lot of it, and I read the labels. Many labels will identify flavors in the wine for you. That is how regular people learn about wines. You just need to jump in and try some. My first wine was Lambrusco. LOL.

Most people new to wine do not like the dry wines, and that is all we drink anymore. Now we are on a local (Missouri) wine kick, much different varietals (types of grape). Most of the grocery stores only carry the sweet Missouri wines, so I wouldn’t drink it. We visited a winery in Hermann and brought home 2 cases of nice dry wine (and sparkling grape juice for the kids).


42 posted on 05/24/2013 1:29:44 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: nickcarraway

43 posted on 05/24/2013 1:57:00 PM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: nickcarraway

For me it’s all about the color of the box...ROTFLMAO!!!


44 posted on 05/24/2013 3:08:52 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Comparison is the beginning of discontent.)
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To: stuartcr

warmer


45 posted on 05/24/2013 3:26:01 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Piss upon Obama, and his False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Ok


46 posted on 05/24/2013 5:17:40 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: mylife

I met a gal once who was “fruit forward and jammy”


47 posted on 05/24/2013 6:00:12 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: copaliscrossing

Cardbordeaux! We drink that too. LOL.


48 posted on 05/24/2013 6:52:34 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: BenLurkin

I met her, too.


49 posted on 05/24/2013 7:01:00 PM PDT by Dartman (Mubarak and Gaddafi are going to look like choirboys when this is over)
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