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Hitler Psychopathology in Light of Our Current Tyrant - Weekend Vanity
Individual Differences Research ^ | 5/24/13 | dagogo redux

Posted on 05/24/2013 7:37:27 PM PDT by dagogo redux

Understanding Madmen: A DSM-IV Assessment of Adolf Hitler

Frederick L. Coolidge*, Felicia L. Davis, & Daniel L. Segal University of Colorado at Colorado Springs

ABSTRACT - Adolf Hitler’s personality was investigated posthumously through the use of an informant version of the Coolidge Axis II Inventory (CATI), which is designed for the assessment of personality, clinical, and neuropsychological disorders. Five academic Hitler historians completed the CATI. The overall mean inter-rater correlation was moderately high for all 38 CATI scales’ T scores (median r = .72). On Axis I, the highest mean T scores across raters were Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (76), Psychotic Thinking (73) and Schizophrenia (69). On Axis II, the highest mean T scores on the CATI scales were Paranoid Personality Disorder (78), Antisocial Personality Disorder (78), Narcissistic Personality Disorder (77), and Sadistic Personality Disorder (76). Results of the present study support the reliability and preliminary validity of informant reports for psychological investigations of historical or contemporary figures.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 4kooks; blackholes; gardeningsomehow; perversions; vanity
Starting point: POTUS.

--> Friday night. Half a Dogfish Head 90 min IPA mid afternoon, then about 1 1/2 martinis to solidify the moment in the near-past.

--> Recent musings ponder the still-haunting, "Where was POTUS during the Night of the Benghazi?"

--> Available mind focused on exploring recent rumors of pederasty and dopaminergic tweakings.

--> Resultant Googling: "perversions correlation tyrants."

--> This piece of fascinating starting points, for those with nothing else to do this evening.

==> In essence, a vanity. Curious about any insights it sparks.

1 posted on 05/24/2013 7:37:27 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux

We do need a Daily WH Thread!

Carney is to Obama what Goebbels was to Hitler: “Minister of Propaganda.”

May I suggest a “Spin Index?”

A Spin Index for a lie that contains the phrase “waiting for all the facts to be gathered” will be rated as a One Goebbels.

A Two Goebbels would be for a lie that contains the phrase “make sure that it never happens again.”

A Three Goebbels would be awarded to a lie that contains the phrase “I don’t know.”

Each time a lie is repeated by the Minister of Propaganda it receives an Oak Cluster.

BTW, the Goebbels Rule is “If a lie is repeated loud enough and often enough, then eventually the people will come to believe it.”

Both Hitler and Obama were/are loud and repetitive orators.

Obamanation would be nothing if US President Valerie Jarrett had not used the Goebbels Rule to perfection.


2 posted on 05/24/2013 7:44:56 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: dagogo redux
Psychopaths are simply people who either have no conscience or simply ignore it.

It can be taught to people.

Our public school system over the last 30 or so years have been doing a great job at producing people who have dulled consciences that can easily slip into psychopathy.

What do we do when an entire group within a presidential administration act as if they have no conscience?

3 posted on 05/24/2013 7:49:31 PM PDT by Slyfox (The red face of shame is proof that the conscience is still operational.)
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To: dagogo redux

Here is my view on the insanity of Obamanation and the sorry RINO response to it:

The key to understanding Obamaspeak is to understand that Obama is self-delusional.

Obama truly believes that reality can be created just by him saying so.

I call these statements Obamalies.

Hence, when Obama wants something to be true, all he has to do is say the words and reality will be created around them.

In this manner Obama is capable of protecting himself from REALITY that you and I recognize, but is unrecognizable to Obama.

On a recent Monday at his presser, Obama shed a rare tear as he momentarily recognized that his reality was not our REALITY.

US President Valerie Jarrett makes sure that Obama always reads from her scripted teleprompter, or sticks to her scripted talking points.

Thus, minimizing Obama’s self-delusional, private outbursts of the warped reality that only Obama knows - - - .

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In the failed world of Communism, all functions of a Society are controlled by a Central Government.

Our Central Federal Government has been easily taken over by Obama to the gleeful cheers of MSNBC and others in the Liberal Agenda Media.

This is as good a time as any to take note of those who have willingly enabled the blatant Communist ideas and programs of Obama to take hold in our Central Federal Government.

It is also a good time to take note of the many dictatorial powers that our sorry US Congress from “both” political parties have granted over many decades to the Administration Branch and related Bureaus of our Central Federal Government.

Just to balance our income with our spending, the Central Federal Government must reduce spending by 40 percent.

The longer we wait to “cut our way to prosperity” and repeal and abolish Federal Regulations, the greater our financial debt and less Liberty we will have.

For example, if Central Federal Government Regulations were reduced by 40 percent, our Society would be 40 percent further removed from control by the Central Federal Government.

Currently, there are four, (Benghazi Cowardice, IRS Tyranny, AP-Gate, and Rosen-Gate), major Impeachable Scandals that our sorry RINOs could use to remove Obama from our Central, semi-Communist, Federal Government.

My question is: “Do our sorry Congressional RINOs have the POLITICAL MOTIVATION to Impeach and Remove B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, a legal citizen of Indonesia?”

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Obama always exposes his fear by accusing others of what he is already doing to them.

Obama knows that that which will undo him is what he should fear the most.

As a smokescreen defense he accuses others of what he is doing, and hopes to put them on defense so that he can continue doing to them what he fears that they will do to him.

For example, we should politicize, demonstrate strong political motivation, speak and behave in the most un-PC manner, bicker, argue, unseal his flunking University grades, place all his staff under oath, place Obama under oath and IMEACH and REMOVE Obama and his Commie pals.

The responsibility of an opposition party is to provide a check and a balance on the other political party.

Hence, it is time for Republicans to shed their sorry RINO skins and have a good old-fashioned, rip-roaring, verbal thrashing of the tyrannical Obamanation.


4 posted on 05/24/2013 7:53:06 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

To rise within the Federal government these days it seems that there are two requirements, and only two:

1. You must be a Globalist or Statist (preferably both)

2. You must have mastered the fine art of lying and dissembling.


5 posted on 05/24/2013 7:55:38 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Graewoulf

I am getting tired of this law lecturer getting on the network feeds and yelling at me. Short of turning it off, this has to stop. The latest “security speech” had so many twists, turns, ups, downs, and switch-backs, it felt like the bus ride up to Eagle’s Nest in Berchtesgaden.


6 posted on 05/24/2013 7:55:44 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: dagogo redux

Look at the Milgram experiments. The Democrats used a room full of sociologists and psychologists to advise them during the last election. These would be people who were all extremely knowledgeable about the Milgram experiments. The dirty little fascists knew that stuff was dangerous, but used it to win an election.


7 posted on 05/24/2013 7:57:16 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dagogo redux
I cannot agree with the basic premise of this exercise.As filthy a mass murdering psychopath Hitler was comparing him to Osama Obama is foolish.Osama Obama is a child of,and student of,Communists.We know that both his parents were Communist whores (whores literally and figuratively).We know that his white grandfather who,it's said,had enormous influence over him,was a filthy Communist.We know that Saul Alinsky,the father of the American "community organizer" movement,was a Communist.And we needn't even waste time discussing the political/philosophical orientation of his most recent mentors,Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright.

Comparisons to the likes of Stalin,Mao,Che Guevera are the illustrative ones.Comparisons to Hitler are a waste of time.

8 posted on 05/24/2013 7:58:36 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

They all have more in common than not, IMO.

International Socialist, National Socialist - simply two sides of the same coin: same tactics, same outcomes for their populations.


9 posted on 05/24/2013 8:02:47 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

and bill oreilly been on all week tryign desperastely to give the president an out - tryign to find an excuse he can tell the president to use to cover his butt- Just heard him give the president props for the president saying that hte reason he ordered phone records of the press was ‘because’ there are still soldiers overseas who ‘might be in harms way’ shoudl hte press get ahold of certain info- Oreilly practically kissed dear leader for finally comign up with an excuse


10 posted on 05/24/2013 8:08:46 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: dagogo redux; Jane Long; All

Thanks for this thread.

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HEY, Felecia! Yeah, YOU!

You wrote: “ - - - One method of reliability that might have enhanced the present findings would have been to contact Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers. - - - “

Yah think?

Hitler was as popular in Third Reich Germany as B. Hussein is in Obamanation USA.

Neither tyrant could exist for one minute without “support from the people.”

Fast forward to today and determine who B. Hussein’s sympathizers and deniers are.

Use Chrissy Matthews from MSNBC as your standard of support.


11 posted on 05/24/2013 8:10:19 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: dagogo redux; All

It’s Memorial Day Weekend so my wishes for everyone to have a Happy Holiday go out.

The evil in man is not something that can be eliminated. It is controlled. It is subdued.

It would therefore seem that a society that tolerates more evil, gets more evil.


12 posted on 05/24/2013 8:11:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Graewoulf
You can blame it all on Valerie, if you wish, but the sad fact is that the Saudi's, the Commies, The Chinese, The Muslim Brotherhood, The Chicago Machine, The Dixie Mafia, The Los Zetas Drug Cartel, and La Raza all have people 'in the government' and are fighting for control.

Valerie is just one of the ever growing 'staff' of usurpers.

13 posted on 05/24/2013 8:19:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Graewoulf

Carney is to Obama what Goebbels was to Hitler: “Minishitte of Propaganda.”


14 posted on 05/24/2013 8:25:18 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: longfellow

Mega or Minni?


15 posted on 05/24/2013 8:31:20 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: dagogo redux
I'm reading the transcripts of Hitler's conferences with his generals. Big ego, and he was bats**t loony.
16 posted on 05/24/2013 8:32:25 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: dagogo redux

The key to understanding Obamaspeak is to understand that Obama is self-delusional.

Obama truly believes that reality can be created just by him saying so.

I call these statements Obamalies.

Hence, when Obama wants something to be true, all he has to do is say the words and reality will be created around them.

In this manner Obama is capable of protecting himself from REALITY that you and I recognize, but is unrecognizable to Obama.

My main amazement is how gullible the Congressional RINOs have been.

B. Hussein Obama/Soetoro is a dyed in the wool Communist, and our gullible RINOs do not realize it - - - - .


17 posted on 05/24/2013 8:38:47 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Comparisons to Hitler are a waste of time.”

Hitler was just another leftist.

http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html


18 posted on 05/24/2013 8:54:45 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

And leftists are just facsimiles of Hitler. They know that. That’s why “Godwin’s Law” - so they don’t get called out, when they should get called out and summarily hanged.


19 posted on 05/24/2013 9:02:48 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: dagogo redux

No one will ever understand Hitler, IMO.

Obama, on the other hand, is fairly simple - he’s nothing more nor less than an intellectually mediocre, addled clown with delusions of grandeur.


20 posted on 05/25/2013 1:18:46 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: dagogo redux
I realize receiving a letter from a time traveler can be confusing, and you may believe this is some kind of a prank. To verify my time-traveling skills, I have enclosed within this envelope a tuft of white hair from a man of African descent. It is yours and it’s from the floor of your favorite barbershop ten years from now, by which point you will appear to be much older than 61. Please have it carbon-dated after verifying the DNA. Shocking, yes?

I’m here to tell you something. In short: I am impressed.

As a propagandist, you have achieved everything I set out to do. You soared to victory this week like a Bundesadler in a Leni Riefenstahl film. I’m amazed der Juden and der junge are so devoted to your cause, as it seems you are determined to extinguish both. But what really impresses me is the blind faith with which more than half of America follows you. These are people who couldn’t care less about politics, yet somehow they are in a trance. Why? Because you promised them you care. Amazing. An entire generation of young men stand proudly behind you simply because you play basketball. And you’re not even good at it!

“You made politics about pop culture and fashion, and now the Dumb Community worships you.”

In New York, an American state that hasn’t voted for a Republican presidential candidate in almost 30 years, people flocked to the polls and insisted their friends do the same. I saw them tell their friends they felt “empowered” and that they were “real, true Americans.” When you won, New Yorkers all over the city cheered with glee despite having no idea about your policies. I asked many of them to distinguish between your opponent’s healthcare program and yours, and they had no idea. All they knew was their vote “made a difference” and “that’s what counts.” These are people with the math skills of a 12-year-old. You made an entire nation love you merely because you were black while claiming you were hated for precisely that reason. You are the most brilliant Negro I have ever seen.

After all but allowing an attack on your Libyan consulate you sent out a spokesperson denying such an event existed, and it worked. Instead of talking to world leaders you go on women’s talk shows. When unemployment soars, you say it would have gone much higher without you. You kill the space program and devote the resources to making Muslims feel better about themselves. MUSLIMS!? Isn’t America at war with a great number of them? You tell those disgusting Zionists to go back to the borders of nearly half a century ago and when they protest, you add that they must leave Iran alone. (This was my favorite part, BTW—I must have gone back and watched this 100 times.)

You convinced antiwar liberals that it’s OK to extend the Patriot Act AND do warrantless spying AND create a “kill list” AND conduct drone wars AND send a massive surge of new troops to Afghanistan AND keep Guantanamo despite promising the opposite. Then your propaganda machine convinces the country it’s your opponent who is the warmonger.

When you dig the deepest debt any president ever has, you say it had to be done. The nation’s young people will inherit this debt but you’ve convinced them that they don’t need to care. I’m about to go back in time and kill my kids, but you make me feel like a pussy. Imagine the Schadenfreude I feel when I hear adolescents call someone with twice as many Harvard degrees as you “stupid.” You control more young minds than that Ronald McDonald character.

You have somehow convinced the Obama Youth any fact that is “divisive” (I love that word) is not worth knowing. If someone points out a failure, you blame the previous administration, and 50% of the voters blindly agree. You made politics about pop culture and fashion, and now the Dumb Community worships you. You’ve convinced the nation that begot “Don’t Tread on Me” that it needs a government that “cares about them.” Amazing. You’ve turned them into dependent infants.

I haven’t seen propaganda this effective since Roosevelt. He managed to convince post-Depression America that it was the government’s job to make things right. Roosevelt instilled in the lower classes a permanent reliance on government that persists today and will go well past the Second Civil War of 2030.

Fox News appears to be the only one asking questions, but only old people are watching and they will all die shortly. Old people ask too many questions.

This is why I killed Andrew Breitbart. I had seen him pollute the populace like a virus. The most important part of good propaganda is not caring about the truth. I am still worried about this group who call themselves libertarians. Like Andrew, they seem open to debate and have no allegiance to anyone. Though they scoffed at your National Socialism, they also objected to your opponent’s foreign policy and the prohibition of drugs. This is dangerous because where there is loyalty to truth, there is no loyalty to leaders. However, I think it’s this lack of loyalty to one group that will be the libertarians’ downfall.

Your acceptance speech reminded me of all my hard work and I felt proud. After the Depression and before the war, I told a room full of fans, “This nation will again start making history.” Imagine the joy I felt when, 80 years later, I heard you say, “We have fought our way back and we know in our hearts that for the United States of America the best is yet to come.”

The masses are dumb, uneducated fools who can’t think for themselves. They need the government to solve their problems. They need a fascist dictatorship where one great leader chooses who will run the economy.

You are the black eagle on my coat of arms and the only negative thing I could possibly say is that you make me feel slightly inferior. On that note, I am off to kill my family. Watch out for those libertarians and keep up the good fight. Auf Wiedersehen und Gute Nacht!

—Dr. Joseph Goebbels

Found at Taki's Magazine: Dear Barack Obama (A Letter From Joseph Goebbels)

by Gavin McInnes

21 posted on 05/25/2013 1:44:26 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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Sorry, link disappeared on me:

http://takimag.com/article/dear_barack_obama_a_letter_from_joseph_goebbels_gavin_mcinnes/print

22 posted on 05/25/2013 1:45:52 AM PDT by Daffynition (Stand Your Ground)
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To: Graewoulf
Hitler was as popular in Third Reich Germany as B. Hussein is in Obamanation USA.

Hitler was a great deal most popular than BHO, who never got more than 53% of the vote.

Had Hitler been run for re-election in 1937 or 38, he would probably have gotten well over 75%.

23 posted on 05/25/2013 3:39:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jack Hammer

Hitler is easy. Very easy.

Read Norman Spinrad’s “The Iron Dream”.

And lest anyone think that Germany and Europe has really changed much, see this:

http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/brown-beer-red-gore/

Reallife experience. Never been so nervous in my life. Not even sitting down with a pizza in a Hells Angels hangout in Copenhagen and being glared at.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 5:22:55 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

“Hitler is easy. Very easy.”

Skinheads may be easy; Hitler, on the other hand, was one of the most psychologically complex characters in recorded history, IMO.

You can argue the point forever, but I’m just not buying that he was ‘just your average skinhead.’

Or even ‘just your average’ anything.

Psychologically elementary arguments, I think, miss the mark completely.


25 posted on 05/25/2013 10:13:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

Hilter’s pathology emerged with the increased use of amphetamines. He started his movement believing strongly in racial purity, though. It was all the rage in that epoch. We even had gaggles of those types in America. You’re no doubt familiar with Margaret Sanger. She was of the same mindset as Hitler, and that mindset was inveigling europe to the extent that rational people were welcoming the means to achieve ‘purity’.


26 posted on 05/25/2013 10:16:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

It doesn’t surprise me; however, I, personally, would be extremely reluctant to ascribe to any one thing the complex Hitler phenomenon.

Granted, I’m no Hitler scholar, but it seems to me that there have been hundreds of character studies done of him, and - according to those who are supposed to know - every one has fallen short.

It sometimes seems to me that Hitler wasn’t a human being so much as he was a Cosmic Event.


27 posted on 05/25/2013 11:13:40 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

I liken Hitler (and Stalin to great extent, with the Italian dictator thrown in) to something found in Daniel, Old Testament, where Daniel has been praying earnestly for an answer from God, for weeks, when suddenly an entity appears to Daniel by the River Chabar, to answer his prayers. The Angel explains that it has been restrained from coming to Damiel because of a demonic power working Persia. There appears to have been a demonic power working the developed nations, along the lines of this racial purity notion twisted to support all manner of evil.


28 posted on 05/25/2013 11:17:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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29 posted on 05/25/2013 11:19:16 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jack Hammer

As I said, read Spinrad. He has a remarkable grip on Hitler’s fever dreams. It’s really quite in step with the OSS “for the president’s eyes only” report. It was released a few years back, by the English. They didn’t feel bound by the classification.

Anyway, Spinrad’s character - Feric Jaggar - was so compelling that it formed the adopted identity for one of the most famed nazists of our day, Matthias Giwer.

The skinhead thing was a purely EU comment, nothing to do with report or book.

For more info on the report, ask Mesta. She read it long before declassified.


30 posted on 05/25/2013 11:39:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

I’ve read Shirer; found it quite sufficient, thanks, and I stand by my previous comments.


31 posted on 05/25/2013 3:22:28 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

Rise and fall?? Shirer was a historian, hardly a psychologist or psychiatrist. Not exactly an argument for Hitler being unique, or uniquely complex.

If Shirer had an argument it was that the German people itself was as much to blame for the reich as Hitler.


32 posted on 05/25/2013 6:42:05 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

Do you REALLY need to resort to some self-appointed psychologist to comprehend that Hitler was a unique - and uniquely strange - individual?????

Forgive me, but it seems to me a singularly short-sighted and exceedingly obtuse, and even bizarre, position to take.


33 posted on 05/26/2013 1:23:49 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jack Hammer

Really?

As I said, even the historian you cited was criticised because he did NOT see Hitler as the unique force behind the reich. And the OSS report, hidden until year 2000 (but Britain dropped the ball a year or so early) was hardly written by “some self-appointed psychologist”. It was prepared by a number of psychologists for the OSS, for the US President’s “eyes only”. After the war, it was shared by the 5 powers and supposed to have a much longer time under wraps.

In fact, Hitler got most of his “final solution” delivered to him from outside, by his “Palestinian” friend and ally Hajj Amin al Husseini.


34 posted on 05/26/2013 2:03:53 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Hardraade

Yes, that’s fine, and I’m sure it’s all true.

However, I think we might take a moment to reflect that the thread is all about, “Was Hitler nuts.” And, “How did his psychopathology compare to Obama’s.

And, with the greatest possible respect, I really don’t think we need an in-depth and professional psychological evluation to render an assessment; Hitler was quite clearly, to use the vernacular, Bull Goose Looney.

That he was also a genius, is, I believe, not in dispute.


35 posted on 05/26/2013 12:44:19 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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